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Post by bally144 on Apr 24, 2021 9:41:12 GMT
I am really struggling to decide on what I feel about Barton and whether or not we go 'all in' and back him fully to take us forward.
When he first got appointed I didn't want him because I didn't like the person and felt he was probably an accident waiting to happen. However I was pleased with his passion and initial improvements on the pitch. These however were shortlived and then he started with the unprofessional, unedifying public slatings, egotistical rantings and psychobabble bs.
We now find ourselves in such a depressing place - relegated with a mish mash of a squad (better than some make out i reckon but as a whole - sh**e!!) and a DNA long-term project in shatters. I still find Barton grating but I so love his passion for the club and fans, his self-belief and his eagerness to succeed here. He understands it is all about the fans & our passionate & committed (if flawed) owner. For this alone I think we should go for it.
Do I think he'll have us in the champ in 3 years (or even out of league 2)? Is is high confidence in his own abilities justified? Absolutely no idea but, in the absence of a better solution, I am tentatively backing him on passion alone knowing no player will be allowed to take our club for a ride while he us in charge.
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Post by albaron on Apr 24, 2021 10:09:31 GMT
I am really struggling to decide on what I feel about Barton and whether or not we go 'all in' and back him fully to take us forward. When he first got appointed I didn't want him because I didn't like the person and felt he was probably an accident waiting to happen. However I was pleased with his passion and initial improvements on the pitch. These however were shortlived and then he started with the unprofessional, unedifying public slatings, egotistical rantings and psychobabble bs. We now find ourselves in such a depressing place - relegated with a mish mash of a squad (better than some make out i reckon but as a whole - sh**e!!) and a DNA long-term project in shatters. I still find Barton grating but I so love his passion for the club and fans, his self-belief and his eagerness to succeed here. He understands it is all about the fans & our passionate & committed (if flawed) owner. For this alone I think we should go for it. Do I think he'll have us in the champ in 3 years (or even out of league 2)? Is is high confidence in his own abilities justified? Absolutely no idea but, in the absence of a better solution, I am tentatively backing him on passion alone knowing no player will be allowed to take our club for a ride while he us in charge. |
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Post by gashead4ever on Apr 24, 2021 10:12:06 GMT
we need to back him 100% fans owner everyone
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Post by albaron on Apr 24, 2021 10:12:47 GMT
We have to back him . As no one else would be stupid enough to come here. Who else is there ? I wanted Paul Cook but he seems to have got the same results at Ipswich as JB has got here. Its not JB the problem that lies elsewhere and until we get rid of the problem we will continue in a downward spiral. So we've got to back him . He will get us out of this mess I am confident of that.
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Post by kruger on Apr 24, 2021 10:22:34 GMT
We all know what the problem is, we can only hope Wael does aswell
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2021 10:30:02 GMT
But the real problem is going all in on him and then he gets banged up/banned from football.
He could absolutely be the right man, as much as I dont care for him, but we are in a sort of limbo at the moment and no one wants to discuss it
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Post by Gassy on Apr 24, 2021 10:32:08 GMT
But the real problem is going all in on him and then he gets banged up/banned from football. He could absolutely be the right man, as much as I dont care for him, but we are in a sort of limbo at the moment and no one wants to discuss it What is there to discuss though? Goes to prison obviously he won’t be our manager. Doesn’t go to prison and he will be? |
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Post by wertongas on Apr 24, 2021 10:52:33 GMT
We need to keep Barton at all costs, when we have been relegated from this division before and got rid of our Manager we have struggled, Graydon took us to the bottom of league two and Buckle messed up which led us to relegation out of the league. We need someone who knows the squad and who should be kept and who we should get rid of and replace
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Post by olskooltoteender on Apr 24, 2021 10:53:31 GMT
But the real problem is going all in on him and then he gets banged up/banned from football. He could absolutely be the right man, as much as I dont care for him, but we are in a sort of limbo at the moment and no one wants to discuss it What is there to discuss though? Goes to prison obviously he won’t be our manager. Doesn’t go to prison and he will be? I would’ve thought that if (IF) Wael has done his due diligence he will have spoken at length to Barton’s legal team who probably have a good idea of what punishment, if any, he will get handed down. Does anyone know if it’s Crown Court or Magistrates? |
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Post by peterparker on Apr 24, 2021 10:56:56 GMT
But the real problem is going all in on him and then he gets banged up/banned from football. He could absolutely be the right man, as much as I dont care for him, but we are in a sort of limbo at the moment and no one wants to discuss it What is there to discuss though? Goes to prison obviously he won’t be our manager. Doesn’t go to prison and he will be? Well um that. . We are going to give Barton carte blanche it seems to do what he wants and all that could have to be ripped up if someone else has to come in. How can any business put that much power in the hands of someone knowing the risk. Joey Barton or Joe Bloggs is irrelevant I mean, I dont care what Holloway says per se, but if Joey gets done, no doubt he will be slagging of the club for making the appointment. What will all the JB apologists have to say? For the sake of the club, I truly hope he doesnt get done, but if be did it would be the cherry on the icing on the cake of this season |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 24, 2021 11:06:40 GMT
What is there to discuss though? Goes to prison obviously he won’t be our manager. Doesn’t go to prison and he will be? Well um that. I mean, I dont care what Holloway says per se, but if Joey gets done, no doubt he will be slagging of the club for making the appointment. We are going to give Barton carte blanche it seems to do what he wants and all that could have to be ripped up if someone else has to come in. How can any business put that much power in the hands of someone knowing the risk. Joey Barton or Joe Bloggs is irrelevant I mean, I dont care what Holloway says per se, but if Joey gets done, no doubt he will be slagging of the club for making the appointment. What will all the JB apologists have to say? For the sake of the club, I truly hope he doesnt get done, but if be did it would be the cherry on the icing on the cake of this season Not bothered so much that you had to say it twice?  The court case isn’t until June right? Window opens in July I guess? I’m just of the opinion on this of waiting until something happens. One thing I’ve learnt this year is to get less involved about things that might or might not happen, rather deal with it when/if it happens. But you’re not wrong, we’d be in an awful situation and the entire appointment would be a farce. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Apr 24, 2021 11:43:20 GMT
I'm no lawyer but I suspect Wael will have had some dialogue with Barton's legal representatives about the possible court outcomes.
Assuming he's still here next season lets get behind the guy. Give him a chance to deliver results with a squad of his creation. He's inherited a bunch of players that are the worst in the division. These players have not responded to three managers and I suspect it is for reasons of their attitude and/or ability. I think the situation has been compounded by Barton's managerial style. The players have not responded to him because they are not up to the task.
There will be a mass clear out by one method or another. That will not be a bad thing. There appears to be a defeatist aura surrounding the squad and that needs to stop. These players will have relegation on their CVs.. Some of these players have been in more than one relegation team. It's time to start again.
A big challenge for him will be dealing with those players still on contract who he simply does not rate. There are quite a few of those.
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Post by Fat Albert on Apr 24, 2021 12:09:36 GMT
My feelings are 3 fold:
1. He stays and makes good all his talk and then no one can argue he walked the walk.
2. He gets an offer elsewhere in the summer that suits him more. He leaves without a second glance and we’re all left wondering what all happened to the promises?
3. We are dire next year and he gets sacked and (judging on his interviews to date) he blames every man and his dog, says the club is badly run etc etc.
I’m never overly fussed on who the manager is to be honest, I just support the team they put out and hope for the best. For what it’s worth I never really bought DC’s tears when we went down, but equally I wasn’t calling for his head after the first 8 games of the conference season. Turned out to be great for us in the end.
Needless to say I’m hoping point 1 comes true.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 24, 2021 13:01:03 GMT
I dont like Barton or the idea of Barton but he's NOT our problem here. The problem is absolutely clear in my opinion and it rhymes with Fiddrington.
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2021 13:07:16 GMT
I dont like Barton or the idea of Barton but he's NOT our problem here. The problem is absolutely clear in my opinion and it rhymes with Fiddrington. Yep Its Widdrington who recruited this squad and it was Wael who put him on the BoD. It was the Board who appointed Tisdale, sacked him and then appointed Barton. A full house of cluelessness. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 13:22:07 GMT
What is there to discuss though? Goes to prison obviously he won’t be our manager. Doesn’t go to prison and he will be? I would’ve thought that if (IF) Wael has done his due diligence he will have spoken at length to Barton’s legal team who probably have a good idea of what punishment, if any, he will get handed down. Does anyone know if it’s Crown Court or Magistrates? Opted for Crown Court presumably as acquittal rates are higher than at Magistrates could. Risk is judges less nervous about using the full range of sentencing options that Magistrates. Thinks he can charm the jury is my guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 13:25:21 GMT
I'm no lawyer but I suspect Wael will have had some dialogue with Barton's legal representatives about the possible court outcomes. Assuming he's still here next season lets get behind the guy. Give him a chance to deliver results with a squad of his creation. He's inherited a bunch of players that are the worst in the division. These players have not responded to three managers and I suspect it is for reasons of their attitude and/or ability. I think the situation has been compounded by Barton's managerial style. The players have not responded to him because they are not up to the task. There will be a mass clear out by one method or another. That will not be a bad thing. There appears to be a defeatist aura surrounding the squad and that needs to stop. These players will have relegation on their CVs.. Some of these players have been in more than one relegation team. It's time to start again. A big challenge for him will be dealing with those players still on contract who he simply does not rate. There are quite a few of those. Just like the legal team who said we would win the Sainsburys case at the high court and that the appeal had a good chance of success? |
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2021 13:26:29 GMT
I'm no lawyer but I suspect Wael will have had some dialogue with Barton's legal representatives about the possible court outcomes. Assuming he's still here next season lets get behind the guy. Give him a chance to deliver results with a squad of his creation. He's inherited a bunch of players that are the worst in the division. These players have not responded to three managers and I suspect it is for reasons of their attitude and/or ability. I think the situation has been compounded by Barton's managerial style. The players have not responded to him because they are not up to the task. There will be a mass clear out by one method or another. That will not be a bad thing. There appears to be a defeatist aura surrounding the squad and that needs to stop. These players will have relegation on their CVs.. Some of these players have been in more than one relegation team. It's time to start again. A big challenge for him will be dealing with those players still on contract who he simply does not rate. There are quite a few of those. Just like the legal team who said we would win the Sainsburys case at the high court and that the appeal had a good chance of success? Can you imagine 😂😂😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 14:34:10 GMT
Barton has done absolutely nothing to convince me that hes the man for the job, hes said alot but done nothing imo. Court case pending as well, why o why are we giving this nutter so much power and control over our club? He talks a good game but if the summer doesnt go well then we are well and truely stuffed and in league 2 also... massive joke of a club we are. Wael will need to spend his way out of this mess! Only way!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 14:51:18 GMT
What is there to discuss though? Goes to prison obviously he won’t be our manager. Doesn’t go to prison and he will be? I would’ve thought that if (IF) Wael has done his due diligence he will have spoken at length to Barton’s legal team who probably have a good idea of what punishment, if any, he will get handed down. Does anyone know if it’s Crown Court or Magistrates? What injuries did the chap who alleges assault against Barton have? There was a case in the Evening Post this week where a guy was convicted but spared prison because it wasn’t fair on him that the trial had been delayed so long by Covid. If there is any consistency in our legal system surely the same leniency would be shown to JB - if he is found guilty. The Post case involved a victim who has lost his vision in one eye so sounds a more serious assault as well. |
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