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Post by gaschat on Apr 24, 2021 19:27:54 GMT
Correct but you can hold him accountable for what has happened since he arrived...and we are significantly worse than we were under Garner and Tisdale with the same players. Ignoring all of the unsavoury baggage Barton brings with him, his personal performance has been absolutely abysmal. Bartons record is the worst in the football league and if he had any class and any self awareness he would apologise and resign. We haven't had the same players, Ehmer, Rodman and Nicholson have all been missing, the latter probably the biggest loss. Not sure what sacking Barton and doing a lucky dip for our 4th manager this season is really going to achieve, apart from cause yet more chaos. At some point Wael has to standby his appointment and see if he can turn us around. I understand all that but managers cope with injured players all the time, I’m sure if you looked at every other team in the division you will find they have all had to soldier on without key players. What I don’t understand is why you think it is good thing to keep the worst performing manager in the Football League, when he is clearly clueless and the inevitable risk is he will usher us back into the Conference next season.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 24, 2021 19:38:48 GMT
For me it's a no brainer we simply cant keep sacking managers. Barton has had first hand experience of the entire squad for a few weeks now and clearly knows who he wants to keep, those he wants to move on and has complete confidence in himself and his team to do just that. Are we seriously suggesting we start again with another new manager whose recruitment would no doubt be ably assisted by the very man who helped put together this shambles of a squad ?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 24, 2021 19:41:24 GMT
For me it's a no brainer we simply cant keep sacking managers. Barton has had first hand experience of the entire squad for a few weeks now and clearly knows who he wants to keep, those he wants to move on and has complete confidence in himself and his team to do just that. Are we seriously suggesting we start again with another new manager whose recruitment would no doubt be ably assisted by the very man who helped put together this shambles of a squad ? Plus now we have dropped to L2 the calibre of applicant will drop, as if it wasn't bad enough before.
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Post by gaschat on Apr 24, 2021 19:50:14 GMT
For me it's a no brainer we simply cant keep sacking managers. Barton has had first hand experience of the entire squad for a few weeks now and clearly knows who he wants to keep, those he wants to move on and has complete confidence in himself and his team to do just that. Are we seriously suggesting we start again with another new manager whose recruitment would no doubt be ably assisted by the very man who helped put together this shambles of a squad ? ...but he is obviously even more out of his depth than Garner and Tisdale. Have you seen his after match interview, he is totally delusional (his words), he said it’s not “my relegation”, at the very least it’s 1/3rd his relegation although his record is much worse than any of our other managers this season. I know it isn’t what we want to do but it’s what we need to do, if it has a tail and it barks it’s a dog, 11 points from 16 games, it’s a dog.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 24, 2021 20:07:18 GMT
For me it's a no brainer we simply cant keep sacking managers. Barton has had first hand experience of the entire squad for a few weeks now and clearly knows who he wants to keep, those he wants to move on and has complete confidence in himself and his team to do just that. Are we seriously suggesting we start again with another new manager whose recruitment would no doubt be ably assisted by the very man who helped put together this shambles of a squad ? ...but he is obviously even more out of his depth than Garner and Tisdale. Have you seen his after match interview, he is totally delusional (his words), he said it’s not “my relegation”, at the very least it’s 1/3rd his relegation although his record is much worse than any of our other managers this season. I know it isn’t what we want to do but it’s what we need to do, if it has a tail and it barks it’s a dog, 11 points from 16 games, it’s a dog. Out of his depth ? Admittedly results under him havent been anywhere near what any of us would have wanted but you aren't seriously suggesting he's a worse manager than Garner ? Garner took a side flying and somehow turned them into a lower mid table side and then after a full pre season with his own signings made them worse whereas Barton took over a side already struggling, with key players out and couldn't turn them around. Surely you can see the difference ?
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Post by dinsdale on Apr 24, 2021 20:07:49 GMT
I was 100% wrong about Barton we never should have appointed him. We were blinded by his stature and profile. Hes come in and inspired absolutely nothing. Hes not a nice guy, he’s incredibly arrogant and bad for the reputation of the club.
Hes shown nothing to indicate he will take us forward and whilst i wouldnt rule out a success Season under him next season it woukd be at what cost to our status and reputation?.
There is only one person i would trust to sort us out who has the track record and genuine love for the club. One person who could unit everyone and one person who deserves the chance the chance to manage us with an improved infrastructure and that is DC. Id go all out to bring him and Marcus Stewart back but this time give them more support in recruitment and a huge budget to go with the new training ground.
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Post by gaschat on Apr 24, 2021 20:09:59 GMT
...but he is obviously even more out of his depth than Garner and Tisdale. Have you seen his after match interview, he is totally delusional (his words), he said it’s not “my relegation”, at the very least it’s 1/3rd his relegation although his record is much worse than any of our other managers this season. I know it isn’t what we want to do but it’s what we need to do, if it has a tail and it barks it’s a dog, 11 points from 16 games, it’s a dog. Out of his depth ? Admittedly results under him hsvent been anywhere near what any of us would have wanted but you aren't seriously suggesting he's a worse manager than Garner ? Garner took a side flying and somehow turned them into a lower mid table side whereas Barton took over a side already struggling, with key players out and couldn't turn them around. Surely you can see the difference ? Yes, I can see the difference, under Garner our ppg was good enough to avoid relegation, under Barton our ppg guaranteed relegation. Barton IS the worse manager in the football league, FACT.
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Post by womble on Apr 24, 2021 20:09:59 GMT
For me it's a no brainer we simply cant keep sacking managers. Barton has had first hand experience of the entire squad for a few weeks now and clearly knows who he wants to keep, those he wants to move on and has complete confidence in himself and his team to do just that. Are we seriously suggesting we start again with another new manager whose recruitment would no doubt be ably assisted by the very man who helped put together this shambles of a squad ? It makes no sense to continually sack managers. The problem we have, is that in June it may be taken completely out of the club”s hands.
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Post by dinsdale on Apr 24, 2021 20:10:49 GMT
I was 100% wrong about Barton we never should have appointed him. We were blinded by his stature and profile. Hes come in and inspired absolutely nothing. Hes not a nice guy, he’s incredibly arrogant and bad for the reputation of the club.
Hes shown nothing to indicate he will take us forward and whilst i wouldnt rule out a success Season under him next season it woukd be at what cost to our status and reputation?.
There is only one person i would trust to sort us out who has the track record and genuine love for the club. One person who could unite everyone and one person who deserves the chance the chance to manage us with an improved infrastructure and that is DC. Id go all out to bring him and Marcus Stewart back but this time give them more support in recruitment and a huge budget to go with the new training ground.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 24, 2021 20:11:25 GMT
Out of his depth ? Admittedly results under him hsvent been anywhere near what any of us would have wanted but you aren't seriously suggesting he's a worse manager than Garner ? Garner took a side flying and somehow turned them into a lower mid table side whereas Barton took over a side already struggling, with key players out and couldn't turn them around. Surely you can see the difference ? Yes, I can see the difference, under Garner our ppg was good enough to avoid relegation, under Barton our ppg guaranteed relegation. Barton IS the worse manager in the football league, FACT. Your opinion that doesnt make it a fact
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 24, 2021 20:12:49 GMT
For me it's a no brainer we simply cant keep sacking managers. Barton has had first hand experience of the entire squad for a few weeks now and clearly knows who he wants to keep, those he wants to move on and has complete confidence in himself and his team to do just that. Are we seriously suggesting we start again with another new manager whose recruitment would no doubt be ably assisted by the very man who helped put together this shambles of a squad ? It makes no sense to continually sack managers. The problem we have, is that in June it may be taken completely out of the club”s hands. That is a worry but I'd hope that before appointing him we'd researched how likely that was
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Post by pucklegas on Apr 24, 2021 20:12:58 GMT
...but he is obviously even more out of his depth than Garner and Tisdale. Have you seen his after match interview, he is totally delusional (his words), he said it’s not “my relegation”, at the very least it’s 1/3rd his relegation although his record is much worse than any of our other managers this season. I know it isn’t what we want to do but it’s what we need to do, if it has a tail and it barks it’s a dog, 11 points from 16 games, it’s a dog. Out of his depth ? Admittedly results under him hsvent been anywhere near what any of us would have wanted but you aren't seriously suggesting he's a worse manager than Garner ? Garner took a side flying and somehow turned them into a lower mid table side and then after a full pre season with his own signings made them worse whereas Barton took over a side already struggling, with key players out and couldn't turn them around. Surely you can see the difference ? Agree with your comments but JB winds me up when he says the relegation is not on his CV, in the words of Ted Hastings, it clearly is fella! you are not the main reason or second, however although performances have improved the defending and finishing hasn't and set pieces are dire.
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Post by gaschat on Apr 24, 2021 20:21:22 GMT
Out of his depth ? Admittedly results under him hsvent been anywhere near what any of us would have wanted but you aren't seriously suggesting he's a worse manager than Garner ? Garner took a side flying and somehow turned them into a lower mid table side and then after a full pre season with his own signings made them worse whereas Barton took over a side already struggling, with key players out and couldn't turn them around. Surely you can see the difference ? Agree with your comments but JB winds me up when he says the relegation is not on his CV, in the words of Ted Hastings, it clearly is fella! you are not the main reason or second, however although performances have improved the defending and finishing hasn't and set pieces are dire. Performances haven’t improved, it’s just that some are so dazzled and entranced by Bartons celebrity they want to believe his BS in his after match comments. Under Barton we have gone backwards and that is the only reason we have been relegated, under Garner we would definitely have survived, under Tisdale possibly so...under Barton our demise has been inevitable.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Apr 24, 2021 20:22:18 GMT
At the end of the game Stendal calls JB a f**king scally. JB chases after him down the tunnel and pushes him over and he chips a tooth. He did not have to attend hospital. Even one of the Barnsley players removed one of his own tweets falsely claiming there was blood everywhere. Can't see him being sent down for that, handbags by the sound of it even considering previous. Will be surprised if Stendal even bothers turning up in court. Barton's been charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm which has a maximum sentence of 5 years imprisonment, it sounds like the CPS consider it a bit more than Barton just giving Stendel a push. The ABH would be the alleged chipping of the tooth, if it was just the push it would be a common assault (not even Battery). CPS are quite likely to charge the more serious offence in the expectation that it would get dropped to Common Assault if he coughs for it. That might only attract a fine and/or community service.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 24, 2021 20:22:39 GMT
Out of his depth ? Admittedly results under him hsvent been anywhere near what any of us would have wanted but you aren't seriously suggesting he's a worse manager than Garner ? Garner took a side flying and somehow turned them into a lower mid table side and then after a full pre season with his own signings made them worse whereas Barton took over a side already struggling, with key players out and couldn't turn them around. Surely you can see the difference ? Agree with your comments but JB winds me up when he says the relegation is not on his CV, in the words of Ted Hastings, it clearly is fella! you are not the main reason or second, however although performances have improved the defending and finishing hasn't and set pieces are dire. I think he accepts he has had a part to play he's said himself that his record hasnt been good enough. Possibly his choice of words wasnt great but imo anyone coming in and facing the situation we were in with the squad as it was and key players injured would have struggled
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Post by gaschat on Apr 24, 2021 20:23:39 GMT
Yes, I can see the difference, under Garner our ppg was good enough to avoid relegation, under Barton our ppg guaranteed relegation. Barton IS the worse manager in the football league, FACT. Your opinion that doesnt make it a fact His ppg since he came here is the worst in the football league...and that is a FACT
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Apr 24, 2021 20:25:24 GMT
Your opinion that doesnt make it a fact His ppg since he came here is the worst in the football league...and that is a FACT Since he came here, what about his overall record ?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 24, 2021 20:28:17 GMT
I was 100% wrong about Barton we never should have appointed him. We were blinded by his stature and profile. Hes come in and inspired absolutely nothing. Hes not a nice guy, he’s incredibly arrogant and bad for the reputation of the club. Hes shown nothing to indicate he will take us forward and whilst i wouldnt rule out a success Season under him next season it woukd be at what cost to our status and reputation?. There is only one person i would trust to sort us out who has the track record and genuine love for the club. One person who could unit everyone and one person who deserves the chance the chance to manage us with an improved infrastructure and that is DC. Id go all out to bring him and Marcus Stewart back but this time give them more support in recruitment and a huge budget to go with the new training ground.
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Post by gaschat on Apr 24, 2021 20:29:14 GMT
His ppg since he came here is the worst in the football league...and that is a FACT Since he came here, what about his overall record ? What he achieved elsewhere is irrelevant...I used to be much younger.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 20:29:48 GMT
Agree with your comments but JB winds me up when he says the relegation is not on his CV, in the words of Ted Hastings, it clearly is fella! you are not the main reason or second, however although performances have improved the defending and finishing hasn't and set pieces are dire. Performances haven’t improved, it’s just that some are so dazzled and entranced by Bartons celebrity they want to believe his BS in his after match comments. Under Barton we have gone backwards and that is the only reason we have been relegated, under Garner we would definitely have survived, under Tisdale possibly so...under Barton our demise has been inevitable. How can you say under Garner we would have survived. When he was sacked after 11 games we were 3 points above the relegation zone. If you then take the previous season into account, his results added to this season would have seen us relegated.
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