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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 12:44:05 GMT
I think the club should create a safety zone for fans like yourself. There will be quite a few with concern and it shouldn't be too difficult to cater for. 'Safety zone'? Surely that's breached the minute we step out of bed in the morning right? Frightening how we've been bombarded with the message that friends, family and community should be avoided at all costs to keep 'safe', yet many will have no issue with being unfit, overweight, drinking frequently etc. Agree and I've highlighted this elsewhere. However if some fans have concerns, covid specific, BRFC have enough space to allow a section of the ground not to get crowded. The other hypocrisy stuff is valid but a slightly separate argument really. We want everyone to feel welcome and safe right?
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Post by oldie on Jul 7, 2021 12:50:20 GMT
Ban stupid people
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Post by gassince1957 on Jul 7, 2021 12:55:25 GMT
That's most of us - nobody in their right mind follows Rovers!
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Post by bluebiro on Jul 7, 2021 13:23:59 GMT
Being one of the "oldies" who watch from the stands,I personally would not feel too comfortably sitting SURROUNDED by fans without face masks,guess I will have to wait and see nearer the time. again we are quite happy for the players and their families to take the risk for fans entertainment. The line as always during this is drawn where the individual wants it to be.
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 7, 2021 14:04:33 GMT
I don't think the rise in cases would be preventable just by wearing masks,the combined impact of lifting all restrictions at the same time time will drive the increase. I think people have to take a bit of personal responsibility in respect of mask wearing rather than be like lemmings and wait for a dictat from above. Not so much diktat but guidance. One of the secondary schools near me had a surge in cases shortly after the mask wearing was lifted for secondary school children. I was speaking with the parents of another child, one a teacher and one a nurse, they were adamant it was the lifting of mask rules in school. Circumstantial though, I would agree. From what Bojo said there would be guidance although the after 18 months you would hope most folk understand when it's more risky and act accordingly. There must some evidential data on the impact of masks otherwise were pi55ing in the wind.
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Post by oldie on Jul 7, 2021 14:24:34 GMT
That's most of us - nobody in their right mind follows Rovers! But, there are grades of stupidity. I can guarantee I am more stupid than you 😜
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Post by gassince1957 on Jul 7, 2021 16:49:29 GMT
That's most of us - nobody in their right mind follows Rovers! But, there are grades of stupidity. I can guarantee I am more stupid than you 😜 So both of us banned. My first ban since I got thrown out at Eastville for sitting on the perimeter fence. Ran round and came back in the other side with my season ticket! Think I was about 11 at the time......
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Post by yattongas on Jul 7, 2021 16:53:32 GMT
That's most of us - nobody in their right mind follows Rovers! But, there are grades of stupidity. I can guarantee I am more stupid than you 😜 Agreed .
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 7, 2021 17:13:54 GMT
Sorry to see that. I do worry that masks give people a false sense of security and the evidence for their effectiveness seems questionable. At the end of the day it will be down to personal judgement and people shouldn't be called out or shamed if they don't want to wear one. Wearing a mask outside for 90+ minutes doesn't feel massively appealing to me, and the evidence doesn't appear to back up the necessity. Not sure there is no evidence. "According to a number of laboratory tests and multiple studies, the main value from wearing face masks is that they block up to 80% of these droplets from escaping into the air. They may also prevent about 50% of droplets from being inhaled too. Real-world studies are a bit harder to come by, but the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has highlighted a few. In one high-exposure event, two hair stylists - who were displaying symptoms - were found to have interacted with 139 clients during an eight-day period The stylists and the clients all wore masks, and of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and were tested, not a single one had become infected. An international report published in The Lancet, which analysed data from 172 studies in 16 countries, found that by wearing a face mask there is just a 3% chance of catching COVID-19." www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337I bet the attitude would change if someone was one of the 3% though plus are we talking the Delta variant here, also ?
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Post by maidenheadpirate on Jul 7, 2021 17:54:17 GMT
Not sure there is no evidence. "According to a number of laboratory tests and multiple studies, the main value from wearing face masks is that they block up to 80% of these droplets from escaping into the air. They may also prevent about 50% of droplets from being inhaled too. Real-world studies are a bit harder to come by, but the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has highlighted a few. In one high-exposure event, two hair stylists - who were displaying symptoms - were found to have interacted with 139 clients during an eight-day period The stylists and the clients all wore masks, and of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and were tested, not a single one had become infected. An international report published in The Lancet, which analysed data from 172 studies in 16 countries, found that by wearing a face mask there is just a 3% chance of catching COVID-19." www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337I bet the attitude would change if someone was one of the 3% though plus are we talking the Delta variant here, also ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 18:01:53 GMT
Not sure there is no evidence. "According to a number of laboratory tests and multiple studies, the main value from wearing face masks is that they block up to 80% of these droplets from escaping into the air. They may also prevent about 50% of droplets from being inhaled too. Real-world studies are a bit harder to come by, but the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has highlighted a few. In one high-exposure event, two hair stylists - who were displaying symptoms - were found to have interacted with 139 clients during an eight-day period The stylists and the clients all wore masks, and of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and were tested, not a single one had become infected. An international report published in The Lancet, which analysed data from 172 studies in 16 countries, found that by wearing a face mask there is just a 3% chance of catching COVID-19." www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337I bet the attitude would change if someone was one of the 3% though plus are we talking the Delta variant here, also ? What does 3% reduce to if people upgraded from the standard rubbish masks they are wearing to the FFP3 style masks? Only saw a few people wearing them in the early stages of the pandemic but haven’t seen anyone wearing one in months.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 7, 2021 18:33:49 GMT
I bet the attitude would change if someone was one of the 3% though plus are we talking the Delta variant here, also ? What does 3% reduce to if people upgraded from the standard rubbish masks they are wearing to the FFP3 style masks? Only saw a few people wearing them in the early stages of the pandemic but haven’t seen anyone wearing one in months. That’s also something I have though about too. There have been some horrific mess ups with this
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 18:41:11 GMT
Not many masks on show in the crowd. It's the 7th.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 22:01:05 GMT
Covid smovid.
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Post by poorblue on Jul 8, 2021 12:37:18 GMT
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Post by baggins on Jul 8, 2021 12:46:11 GMT
You lost me at Hanlan hat trick.
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Post by bluebiro on Jul 8, 2021 12:54:50 GMT
You lost me at Hanlan hat trick. imagine was as far as I got
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Post by poorblue on Jul 10, 2021 15:17:14 GMT
So the latest stats show that currently 1 in every 160 people have covid based on 35K people daily contracting the virus. The predicted daily rate is to increase to 100K people within a few weeks or shortly after legal rule cease on July 19th. So based on 6000 - 8000 fans attending the Mem there could be between 37 - 50 fans attending each match infected with the virus. Thus the rate is predicted to treble in a matter of weeks resulting in 100 - 150 covid infected fans attending each match. Data from previous spikes support this number. So who will be the infected and/or carriers of this virus spreading it through the supporters? The younger fans who have yet to be vaccinated and ISTM mask less invincibles it won't affect me and if it did I won't know or the elderly vaccinated wearing masks? Assuming this group attend. Is it not as the Chief Medical Advisor stated be careful and wear a mask if it causes concern to those around you. By legal definition those fans who do catch the virus should self isolate so will miss matches anyway, but who thinks these fans will actually test for the virus and even if the did would they admit it? Killing yourself is a crime, but you get away with it. Killing some one else is also a crime but who did in a crowd of 8000 will be difficult to prove! Dedicated areas for mask wearing will certainly reduce the culprits though. PLEASE WEAR A MASK AND SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW FANS AND THE CLUBS REVENUE, fans staying away or not surviving is not good for the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 15:25:33 GMT
Killing someone else? Give it a rest please.
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Post by bluebiro on Jul 10, 2021 20:15:32 GMT
So the latest stats show that currently 1 in every 160 people have covid based on 35K people daily contracting the virus. The predicted daily rate is to increase to 100K people within a few weeks or shortly after legal rule cease on July 19th. So based on 6000 - 8000 fans attending the Mem there could be between 37 - 50 fans attending each match infected with the virus. Thus the rate is predicted to treble in a matter of weeks resulting in 100 - 150 covid infected fans attending each match. Data from previous spikes support this number. So who will be the infected and/or carriers of this virus spreading it through the supporters? The younger fans who have yet to be vaccinated and ISTM mask less invincibles it won't affect me and if it did I won't know or the elderly vaccinated wearing masks? Assuming this group attend. Is it not as the Chief Medical Advisor stated be careful and wear a mask if it causes concern to those around you. By legal definition those fans who do catch the virus should self isolate so will miss matches anyway, but who thinks these fans will actually test for the virus and even if the did would they admit it? Killing yourself is a crime, but you get away with it. Killing some one else is also a crime but who did in a crowd of 8000 will be difficult to prove! Dedicated areas for mask wearing will certainly reduce the culprits though. PLEASE WEAR A MASK AND SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW FANS AND THE CLUBS REVENUE, fans staying away or not surviving is not good for the club. shooting rhinos and then campaigning for their survival.
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