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Post by yetigas on Sept 12, 2021 16:38:23 GMT
Think some are getting excited at the thought of Garner winning this game. I think given how sh** Barton has been some have forgotten how sh** Garner was too. Ultimately, some seem to have forgotten under whom this rot started. Won’t be getting a good reception from me.Very sad to hear that. Whatever your opinion of his signings/performances/results - it was his first EFL managerial post where it should have been obvious even to our dimmer supporters, that he was going to be on a learning curve. He was also tasked with taking a new approach, playing football (as opposed to hoofball) with younger players. Apart from his lack of previous experience he also had to cope with family illness and with the impact of Covid. He did all that with great dignity and yes, there were signs of improvement before he was sacked and we are now paying the price. The fact that many of our supporters can't appreciate that a long term project is..er..long term...just shows a complete lack of understanding as well as patience. Not sure I will be at the Swindon match but if I am I will be the one (yes, maybe only one!!) applauding BG as he walks to the dugout.
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 12, 2021 16:48:00 GMT
Think some are getting excited at the thought of Garner winning this game. I think given how sh** Barton has been some have forgotten how sh** Garner was too. Ultimately, some seem to have forgotten under whom this rot started. Won’t be getting a good reception from me.Very sad to hear that. Whatever your opinion of his signings/performances/results - it was his first EFL managerial post where it should have been obvious even to our dimmer supporters, that he was going to be on a learning curve. He was also tasked with taking a new approach, playing football (as opposed to hoofball) with younger players. Apart from his lack of previous experience he also had to cope with family illness and with the impact of Covid. He did all that with great dignity and yes, there were signs of improvement before he was sacked and we are now paying the price. The fact that many of our supporters can't appreciate that a long term project is..er..long term...just shows a complete lack of understanding as well as patience. Not sure I will be at the Swindon match but if I am I will be the one (yes, maybe only one!!) applauding BG as he walks to the dugout. I’ll make it at least 2……
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 12, 2021 16:50:01 GMT
Think some are getting excited at the thought of Garner winning this game. I think given how sh** Barton has been some have forgotten how sh** Garner was too. Ultimately, some seem to have forgotten under whom this rot started. Won’t be getting a good reception from me.Very sad to hear that. Whatever your opinion of his signings/performances/results - it was his first EFL managerial post where it should have been obvious even to our dimmer supporters, that he was going to be on a learning curve. He was also tasked with taking a new approach, playing football (as opposed to hoofball) with younger players. Apart from his lack of previous experience he also had to cope with family illness and with the impact of Covid. He did all that with great dignity and yes, there were signs of improvement before he was sacked and we are now paying the price. The fact that many of our supporters can't appreciate that a long term project is..er..long term...just shows a complete lack of understanding as well as patience. Not sure I will be at the Swindon match but if I am I will be the one (yes, maybe only one!!) applauding BG as he walks to the dugout. The guy didn’t have a clue. Being long term with the wrong appointments is short sighted. That’s why the club got rid of him, because he was crap. He turfed out experienced players who were the spine of the club. The nice guy blamed everyone bar himself, particularly referees, when everything went wrong. He sent Josh Barrett out to train with the kids. I honestly don’t understand where the ‘nice guy’ tag comes from other than possibly because the guy was so soft and delicate on the sidelines he gave off the impression of being inoffensive? You wouldn’t applaud Paul Tisdale so why would you applaud Ben Garner? If he goes on to be good for Swindon fair play. He could go on to manage Real Madrid or something but to me he will always[/i] be one of the worst rovers managers I have seen, only saved from THE worst by the actions of his two successors who were to some extent hampered by his diabolical recruitment.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 12, 2021 17:23:00 GMT
We have to stop blaming where we are on Garner. Yes his time at the club was horrific, but Joey in particular has had plenty of time to turn things around and he hasn't. He's made us worse.
Strange saying it, but i'd rather have BG here than JB.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 12, 2021 17:23:12 GMT
Out of his depth out of his mind. Will not pass a tear if he fails miserably in his career in football.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2021 18:26:42 GMT
We have to stop blaming where we are on Garner. Yes his time at the club was horrific, but Joey in particular has had plenty of time to turn things around and he hasn't. He's made us worse. Strange saying it, but i'd rather have BG here than JB. Omg! Really? Thing is, it takes a micro second to mess up a team/squad going for promotion to Championship as we've seen ... But it takes a hell of a lot more time money and resources to fix the mistakes made. As we are seeing. It takes so much more energy to stop a sinking ship. Even more to turn it into a rising one. BG appointment has literally put us back years and he won't be getting any applause from me.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 12, 2021 18:30:00 GMT
We have to stop blaming where we are on Garner. Yes his time at the club was horrific, but Joey in particular has had plenty of time to turn things around and he hasn't. He's made us worse. Strange saying it, but i'd rather have BG here than JB. Omg! Really? Thing is, it takes a micro second to mess up a team/squad going for promotion to Championship as we've seen ... But it takes a hell of a lot more time money and resources to fix the mistakes made. As we are seeing. It takes so much more energy to stop a sinking ship. Even more to turn it into a rising one. BG appointment has literally put us back years and he won't be getting any applause from me. Yeah, well, he’s a nice bloke?!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2021 18:36:03 GMT
Omg! Really? Thing is, it takes a micro second to mess up a team/squad going for promotion to Championship as we've seen ... But it takes a hell of a lot more time money and resources to fix the mistakes made. As we are seeing. It takes so much more energy to stop a sinking ship. Even more to turn it into a rising one. BG appointment has literally put us back years and he won't be getting any applause from me. Yeah, well, he’s a nice bloke?! Say that to anyone whom was in Southend in March 2020.....I dare you!
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 12, 2021 18:43:19 GMT
But surely the crux of the argument is he should have been given time? Yes he had a poor start, he had family issues, COVID struck…
But the decision was made to re structure the club and coach young talent with emphasis on hopefully developing players to add value to their selling fee
You can argue all you like that he was never going to be a good manager, but the truth is the club bottled it and didn’t go through with their vision
We are now as far removed from that idea it’s almost laughable
It’s modern football now with fans who want instant success without the transition process that inevitably has to take place
I hope we obviously stuff Swindon and go on a good run soon, but I wish Mr Garner no Ill will and hope he gets given time to implement what a brave board at Swindon have tasked him to do
UTG
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 12, 2021 18:51:13 GMT
We have to stop blaming where we are on Garner. Yes his time at the club was horrific, but Joey in particular has had plenty of time to turn things around and he hasn't. He's made us worse. Strange saying it, but i'd rather have BG here than JB. Omg! Really? Thing is, it takes a micro second to mess up a team/squad going for promotion to Championship as we've seen ... But it takes a hell of a lot more time money and resources to fix the mistakes made. As we are seeing. It takes so much more energy to stop a sinking ship. Even more to turn it into a rising one. BG appointment has literally put us back years and he won't be getting any applause from me. It is absolutely baffling that people are using BGs time here to excuse JBs awful attempt at being a football manager. Managers change all the time. A lot of clubs change manager and see improvements, a lot change and remain the same. We changed twice and have got worse each time! At least Tisdale is excused because he never had his own players. JB has had a complete rebuild from players to management and he's still worse than BG. I'm not saying BG was good, not even close. I'm saying that we can not use BGs time at the club to make excuses for the joke of a manager that is Joey Barton. It's that simple.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 12, 2021 18:55:52 GMT
I guess it depends on if you believed in the bloke in the first place.
I didn’t think he was a very good appointment and I thought his recruitment was naive and I was disappointed with many of the players who left (even if a number of them weren’t through his volition)
I agreed with the strategy in general but I didn’t like the way we carried it out. Rather than getting up and comers we seemed to get academy cast off from the premier leagues. We were bedazzled by their CVs when our success in the last decade has been through acquiring a combination of young players who are punching into the league and experienced players who’ve been there and done it, who still had enough for the level to impress. We had a lack of leadership, the experienced players disappointed massively, and we were too heavy on players who had insufficient league experience but impressed Ben in his time as a youth team manager.
Ultimately though I can’t forgive him for our fall from grace. I tried getting behind him but after 7-8 games for me it seemed clear he wasn’t suited to our club at best, or management at worst.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2021 18:59:00 GMT
But surely the crux of the argument is he should have been given time? Yes he had a poor start, he had family issues, COVID struck… But the decision was made to re structure the club and coach young talent with emphasis on hopefully developing players to add value to their selling fee You can argue all you like that he was never going to be a good manager, but the truth is the club bottled it and didn’t go through with their vision We are now as far removed from that idea it’s almost laughable It’s modern football now with fans who want instant success without the transition process that inevitably has to take place I hope we obviously stuff Swindon and go on a good run soon, but I wish Mr Garner no Ill will and hope he gets given time to implement what a brave board at Swindon have tasked him to do UTG Disagree. The crux of the argument is dismantlement of a successful, going for promotion for the first time on a generation to the championship to a whimper of a team with no credible leaders or proven experience. That's the crux. Time is irrelevant, because you can't get rid of the likes of Craig, Ollie Clark, JCH and think you're going anywhere without a proven goalscorer at the same level.....the philosophy sounds great in theory, but in the uncompromising 3rd division we were swept aside.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2021 19:03:58 GMT
Omg! Really? Thing is, it takes a micro second to mess up a team/squad going for promotion to Championship as we've seen ... But it takes a hell of a lot more time money and resources to fix the mistakes made. As we are seeing. It takes so much more energy to stop a sinking ship. Even more to turn it into a rising one. BG appointment has literally put us back years and he won't be getting any applause from me. It is absolutely baffling that people are using BGs time here to excuse JBs awful attempt at being a football manager. Like I said, it's so much easier to dismantle a winning team, than to create it. Whomever is tasked to orchestrate the phoenix... BG made a series of awful decisions, and some here still wanted to give him more time!? That's truly baffling! Can anyone name one tactic that truly worked on the pitch under BG ? (Apart from the release of RN, for which I give credit to,)
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 12, 2021 19:04:45 GMT
But surely the crux of the argument is he should have been given time? Yes he had a poor start, he had family issues, COVID struck… But the decision was made to re structure the club and coach young talent with emphasis on hopefully developing players to add value to their selling fee You can argue all you like that he was never going to be a good manager, but the truth is the club bottled it and didn’t go through with their vision We are now as far removed from that idea it’s almost laughable It’s modern football now with fans who want instant success without the transition process that inevitably has to take place I hope we obviously stuff Swindon and go on a good run soon, but I wish Mr Garner no Ill will and hope he gets given time to implement what a brave board at Swindon have tasked him to do UTG Disagree. The crux of the argument is dismantlement of a successful, going for promotion for the first time on a generation to the championship to a whimper of a team with no credible leaders or proven experience. That's the crux. Time is irrelevant, because you can't get rid of the likes of Craig, Ollie Clark, JCH and think you're going anywhere without a proven goalscorer at the same level.....the philosophy sounds great in theory, but in the uncompromising 3rd division we were swept aside. You raise good points, and I agree with a lot of your points But do you not feel, once the decisions had been made, the club needed to hold firm and see it through?
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 12, 2021 19:10:21 GMT
It is absolutely baffling that people are using BGs time here to excuse JBs awful attempt at being a football manager. Like I said, it's so much easier to dismantle a winning team, than to create it. Whomever is tasked to orchestrate the phoenix... BG made a series of awful decisions, and some here still wanted to give him more time!? That's truly baffling! Can anyone name one tactic that truly worked on the pitch under BG ? (Apart from the release of RN, for which I give credit to,) All but 1 of the starting players on Saturday was a JB signing? In fact out of the match day 18, 15 are JB signings. Ward and Kilgour were here before and Grant the only Garner signing. Not sure why BGs time at the club is relevant to the poor job that JB is doing? He's had time, he's had a long transfer window, he's been allowed to re-shape the coaching team etc. There's no excuses, and if there are then blaming BG is certainly a stretch.
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Post by yetigas on Sept 12, 2021 19:19:29 GMT
Out of his depth out of his mind. Will not pass a tear if he fails miserably in his career in football.what a pleasant person you are.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 12, 2021 19:22:02 GMT
If he ( Barton) doesn’t get more than 3 points from the Walsall & Leyton Orient games ….. then we lose to Swindon at home , I’m pretty sure he’ll be sacked .
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Post by yetigas on Sept 12, 2021 19:31:50 GMT
Very sad to hear that. Whatever your opinion of his signings/performances/results - it was his first EFL managerial post where it should have been obvious even to our dimmer supporters, that he was going to be on a learning curve. He was also tasked with taking a new approach, playing football (as opposed to hoofball) with younger players. Apart from his lack of previous experience he also had to cope with family illness and with the impact of Covid. He did all that with great dignity and yes, there were signs of improvement before he was sacked and we are now paying the price. The fact that many of our supporters can't appreciate that a long term project is..er..long term...just shows a complete lack of understanding as well as patience. Not sure I will be at the Swindon match but if I am I will be the one (yes, maybe only one!!) applauding BG as he walks to the dugout. The guy didn’t have a clue. Being long term with the wrong appointments is short sighted. That’s why the club got rid of him, because he was crap. He turfed out experienced players who were the spine of the club. The nice guy blamed everyone bar himself, particularly referees, when everything went wrong. He sent Josh Barrett out to train with the kids. I honestly don’t understand where the ‘nice guy’ tag comes from other than possibly because the guy was so soft and delicate on the sidelines he gave off the impression of being inoffensive? You wouldn’t applaud Paul Tisdale so why would you applaud Ben Garner? If he goes on to be good for Swindon fair play. He could go on to manage Real Madrid or something but to me he will alwaysbe one of the worst rovers managers I have seen, only saved from THE worst by the actions of his two successors who were to some extent hampered by his diabolical recruitment.ah that old excuse. Neither PT nor JB were forced to take the job. I assume they did their due diligence before signing their contract and presumably convinced the board that they could improve the clubs position. I seem to recall JB saying as much when he joined, until he started losing matches and using his energy to find scapegoats instead of knuckling down and winning football matches. Oh I why wouldn't I applaud Paul Tisdale? Struggling for the connection/relevance of that one.
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Post by Quarters on Sept 12, 2021 19:43:58 GMT
It is absolutely baffling that people are using BGs time here to excuse JBs awful attempt at being a football manager. Like I said, it's so much easier to dismantle a winning team, than to create it. Whomever is tasked to orchestrate the phoenix... BG made a series of awful decisions, and some here still wanted to give him more time!? That's truly baffling! Can anyone name one tactic that truly worked on the pitch under BG ? (Apart from the release of RN, for which I give credit to,) So Burton bring in Jimmy who then brings in about 11 players. Not sure what there run was but they avoided relegation easily. And this season are 7th at the moment. 3 wins and three draws. So what will he do when given time etc?
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Post by Quarters on Sept 12, 2021 19:44:50 GMT
Like I said, it's so much easier to dismantle a winning team, than to create it. Whomever is tasked to orchestrate the phoenix... BG made a series of awful decisions, and some here still wanted to give him more time!? That's truly baffling! Can anyone name one tactic that truly worked on the pitch under BG ? (Apart from the release of RN, for which I give credit to,) So Burton bring in Jimmy who then brings in about 11 players. Not sure what there run was but they avoided relegation easily. And this season are 7th at the moment. 3 wins and three draws. So what will he do when given time etc? Sorry quoting wrong post.
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