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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 16, 2022 8:33:17 GMT
There is some mis understandings in this thread. This was the home game in October. If Mangan was homophobic then he deserves what he gets. What the actual f**k is Argyle doing filming the half time team talk? They should be deducted points for that. Disgraceful behavior. Is the Mangan stuff to deflect from their very low standard of professionalism. Reading the Plymouth forum they do what they call tunnel cam every home game and apparently they do a similar thing away from home. Their home dressing room is a building behind their main stand . Be very surprised if the vast majority of home clubs allow this. In the case of the Mem, very fine margins between the tunnel and the dressing rooms.
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Post by Gasshole on Dec 16, 2022 10:18:40 GMT
sh** sticks and people like to rush to judge people without actually knowing what was said and in what context. Very easy to say that everything homophobic is reprehensible but what is homophobic is subjective. Take a conversation overheard at the weekend for instance at the PV game as to if the lyrical content of Fairytale of New York is homophobic. I believe this person to be in a position to be a very good judge on this and was discussing with someone else how the context of the word in Irish culture would be considered inoffensive but in English it would. I have no interest in the truth of that statement or debating this matter however this goes to show how nuanced this could be. Add to that he could have been misheard altogether or the claims could have been fabricated (reprehensible to do this - however it does happen) Let’s not be so quick to write people off. A modern day ill IMO. You're a bum You're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap lousy faggot Happy Christmas your arse I pray God it's our last I've always thought the song was about domestic abuse. Faggot is the homophobic word. www.theguardian.com/music/2020/dec/08/no-need-to-take-offence-to-the-word-faggotDifferent meaning, as you say. Got this put on at a Xmas bash tonight , magic absolutely fkin brill. had a few espresso martinis to kick off with, but this is my Xmas song. Absolute tune 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Seen them play in Bristol a few times, usually saw them having too many pre’s in the Horse & Jockey on frogmore street.
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Post by bluebiro on Dec 16, 2022 12:13:01 GMT
So on the one hand farmgas is using less than flattering language to describe A member of Rovers staff, and on the other hand admonishing said staff member for an 'ALLEGED' use of derogatory language? Mmm i am sure there is a bit of double standards in play here? could be accused of bringing this forum into disrepute? Small minded folk like farmygas and his mate baxtino Will latch onto anything to have a go and link in to their anti Barton agenda.This charge by the F.A.is 100% nothing to do with the manager,but they don’t care about that and will carry on regardless. just can't move on. Still probably never buy German or Japanese goods
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Post by baggins on Dec 16, 2022 12:19:44 GMT
Small minded folk like farmygas and his mate baxtino Will latch onto anything to have a go and link in to their anti Barton agenda.This charge by the F.A.is 100% nothing to do with the manager,but they don’t care about that and will carry on regardless. just can't move on. Still probably never buy German or Japanese goods I'm guessing there's still a few ex itk's who have had their noses put out of joint posting on here?
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Post by SleepyGas on Dec 16, 2022 12:26:00 GMT
sh** sticks and people like to rush to judge people without actually knowing what was said and in what context. Very easy to say that everything homophobic is reprehensible but what is homophobic is subjective. Take a conversation overheard at the weekend for instance at the PV game as to if the lyrical content of Fairytale of New York is homophobic. I believe this person to be in a position to be a very good judge on this and was discussing with someone else how the context of the word in Irish culture would be considered inoffensive but in English it would. I have no interest in the truth of that statement or debating this matter however this goes to show how nuanced this could be. Add to that he could have been misheard altogether or the claims could have been fabricated (reprehensible to do this - however it does happen) Let’s not be so quick to write people off. A modern day ill IMO. You're a bum You're a punk You're an old slut on junk Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed You scumbag, you maggot You cheap lousy ***t Happy Christmas your arse I pray God it's our last I've always thought the song was about domestic abuse. **t is the homophobic word. Different meaning, as you say. I very much enjoyed The Pogue's reaction to certain "anti-woke" dickheads complaining about the word being censored on the radio: www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/fairytale-of-new-york-pogues-laurence-fox-b1744778.html
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Post by toggsy2 on Dec 16, 2022 14:41:54 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 16, 2022 16:30:54 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 16, 2022 18:46:32 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy Not sure there's any evidence it was spying rather than just somebody using a tunnel cam, which apparently Plymouth regularly use at Home Park.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 16, 2022 18:50:19 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy Not sure there's any evidence it was spying rather than just somebody using a tunnel cam, which apparently Plymouth regularly use at Home Park. Plymouth officials said they had no knowledge regarding a person using a camera near the Rovers' dressing room - trying to distance themselves from "spygate". Would have thought they would need permission from Rovers to film in the players' area at The Mem.
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Post by toggsy2 on Dec 16, 2022 19:26:50 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question I agree mate it does stink to high heaven a lot of grey areas here
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 16, 2022 20:34:45 GMT
Not sure there's any evidence it was spying rather than just somebody using a tunnel cam, which apparently Plymouth regularly use at Home Park. Plymouth officials said they had no knowledge regarding a person using a camera near the Rovers' dressing room - trying to distance themselves from "spygate". Would have thought they would need permission from Rovers to film in the players' area at The Mem. It's all a bit odd given Manger claims he confronted somebody filming outside the changing rooms, and another poster has suggested Plymouth regularly film in the tunnel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 20:35:23 GMT
Have the club issued a statement?
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Post by pirate on Dec 16, 2022 20:39:53 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Dec 16, 2022 20:41:00 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question Thought it was ‘sick to my back teeth’ ? 🤔
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Post by yattongas on Dec 16, 2022 20:41:37 GMT
Have the club issued a statement? Yes : The gas are going up .
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Post by gasify on Dec 17, 2022 1:04:47 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question I think in society, we are coming to terms with what is offensive and what isn't. I think it's fantastic that as a nation, we are stamping out prejudice. This is progress. Towards the end of Slavery, I'm sure there would have been plantation owners saying this Woke stuff is shocking. You can't hang a slave or publicly flog a slave. This is political correctness gone mad. Key thing is, if it will offend based on race, gender, disability or sexuality (in no particular order) then shut the f**k up and try to understand why people are offended. Don't just dismiss it as being Woke or Snowflakery.
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Post by gasify on Dec 17, 2022 1:18:19 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy Absolutely innocent until proven guilty. Now you reply with "if he did say homophobic remarks, he should have the book thrown at him" Let's all stand up against homophobia in football as we do in life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 6:06:33 GMT
Eh? This completely passed me by - somebody filming us secretly at Home Park? Yes, I think this is how the incident came about, because a Plymouth member of staff was alleged to have been trying to spy on the team talk at half time by recording it. Hopefully this is all something out of nothing and will go away quickly. Just seems weird that there’s a charge to answer in the first place if it’s just one persons word against another’s. The Plymouth staff member was allegedly caught filming the half time team talk. They’ve put some of this (alleged) recording forward as evidence. It raises the question of who told him to go and (allegedly) film the talk, did he do it under instructions or under his own steam? This alleged action has now caused a problem between the clubs that’s made the national press. Surely this guy has something to answer for? There must be FA rules about this? What happened with the Leeds incident when they were supposedly caught filming training sessions recently?
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Post by footballfan on Dec 17, 2022 10:12:17 GMT
It’s quite probable someone has misunderstood his accent.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 17, 2022 10:55:13 GMT
I see that Rovers have removed their original statement. Maybe they are only allowed to say whether or not they are appealing, and not include any further details?
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