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Post by baggins on Dec 17, 2022 12:39:57 GMT
I see that Rovers have removed their original statement. Maybe they are only allowed to say whether or not they are appealing, and not include any further details? Think it's best to just deal with it, quietly for the moment.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 17, 2022 13:06:22 GMT
In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question I think in society, we are coming to terms with what is offensive and what isn't. I think it's fantastic that as a nation, we are stamping out prejudice. This is progress. Towards the end of Slavery, I'm sure there would have been plantation owners saying this Woke stuff is shocking. You can't hang a slave or publicly flog a slave. This is political correctness gone mad. Key thing is, if it will offend based on race, gender, disability or sexuality (in no particular order) then shut the f**k up and try to understand why people are offended. Don't just dismiss it as being Woke or Snowflakery. Broadly in agreement but, as a side note, i think that we are, very much, losing our collective sense of humour. Without going into it on a deep level , i have many anecdotes of affected and afflicted people who have been able to rip the mick out of others and be fine, the line is drawn at who you talk with and how well you know them. Sincerely your, proud woke bloke unfortunately prejudice is far from stamped out , it is just talked in hushed tones.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 17, 2022 14:08:52 GMT
I think in society, we are coming to terms with what is offensive and what isn't. I think it's fantastic that as a nation, we are stamping out prejudice. This is progress. Towards the end of Slavery, I'm sure there would have been plantation owners saying this Woke stuff is shocking. You can't hang a slave or publicly flog a slave. This is political correctness gone mad. Key thing is, if it will offend based on race, gender, disability or sexuality (in no particular order) then shut the f**k up and try to understand why people are offended. Don't just dismiss it as being Woke or Snowflakery. Broadly in agreement but, as a side note, i think that we are, very much, losing our collective sense of humour. Without going into it on a deep level , i have many anecdotes of affected and afflicted people who have been able to rip the mick out of others and be fine, the line is drawn at who you talk with and how well you know them. Sincerely your, proud woke bloke unfortunately prejudice is far from stamped out , it is just talked in hushed tones. My Dad was from Dublin, being in the building trade he was always called "Paddy" (his name was Michael). On the odd occassion he misunderstood something, when it was pointed out to him, he'd reply, quick as a flash, "Well, what do you expect? I'm Oirish". If he were around today, he'd still be the same, he had no problem with a bit of fun around the Irish stereotype, and was happy to send himself up.
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Post by toggsy2 on Dec 17, 2022 15:29:57 GMT
Broadly in agreement but, as a side note, i think that we are, very much, losing our collective sense of humour. Without going into it on a deep level , i have many anecdotes of affected and afflicted people who have been able to rip the mick out of others and be fine, the line is drawn at who you talk with and how well you know them. Sincerely your, proud woke bloke unfortunately prejudice is far from stamped out , it is just talked in hushed tones. My Dad was from Dublin, being in the building trade he was always called "Paddy" (his name was Michael). On the odd occassion he misunderstood something, when it was pointed out to him, he'd reply, quick as a flash, "Well, what do you expect? I'm Oirish". If he were around today, he'd still be the same, he had no problem with a bit of fun around the Irish stereotype, and was happy to send himself up. We don't know the context in which the comment was made the context is key it may have been a flippant comment taken in the wrong way
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Post by gasify on Dec 17, 2022 15:41:00 GMT
My Dad was from Dublin, being in the building trade he was always called "Paddy" (his name was Michael). On the odd occassion he misunderstood something, when it was pointed out to him, he'd reply, quick as a flash, "Well, what do you expect? I'm Oirish". If he were around today, he'd still be the same, he had no problem with a bit of fun around the Irish stereotype, and was happy to send himself up. We don't know the context in which the comment was made the context is key it may have been a flippant comment taken in the wrong way I'm struggling to thing what kind of flippant comment would be taken the wrong way as Homophobic. Have you got any examples of what you are thinking?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 17, 2022 15:41:50 GMT
Broadly in agreement but, as a side note, i think that we are, very much, losing our collective sense of humour. Without going into it on a deep level , i have many anecdotes of affected and afflicted people who have been able to rip the mick out of others and be fine, the line is drawn at who you talk with and how well you know them. Sincerely your, proud woke bloke unfortunately prejudice is far from stamped out , it is just talked in hushed tones. My Dad was from Dublin, being in the building trade he was always called "Paddy" (his name was Michael). On the odd occassion he misunderstood something, when it was pointed out to him, he'd reply, quick as a flash, "Well, what do you expect? I'm Oirish". If he were around today, he'd still be the same, he had no problem with a bit of fun around the Irish stereotype, and was happy to send himself up. Very nice read, i am sure you know of those, having treatment, who can also poke fun and make others feel at ease yet others would take umbrage by proxy. I have no answers, in fact this just brings up more questions. Programmes that we grew up with could not be shown now, even the fast show is strongly edited. Losing the ability to be able to shrug some things off is key and, as has has been said, context is key
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Post by toggsy2 on Dec 17, 2022 15:49:14 GMT
We don't know the context in which the comment was made the context is key it may have been a flippant comment taken in the wrong way I'm struggling to thing what kind of flippant comment would be taken the wrong way as Homophobic. Have you got any examples of what you are thinking? He could have been commenting on the way someone was playing or tackling and said "stop playing or tackling like poof " innocent comment taken out of context if you look at it this way. Until we know we the context of the comment we should reserve judgement.
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Post by percy on Dec 17, 2022 15:51:50 GMT
I'm struggling to thing what kind of flippant comment would be taken the wrong way as Homophobic. Have you got any examples of what you are thinking? He could have been commenting on the way someone was playing or tackling and said "stop playing or tackling like poof " innocent comment taken out of context if you look at it this way. Until we know we the context of the comment we should reserve judgement. Is it 1978?
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Post by toggsy2 on Dec 17, 2022 15:55:21 GMT
He could have been commenting on the way someone was playing or tackling and said "stop playing or tackling like poof " innocent comment taken out of context if you look at it this way. Until we know we the context of the comment we should reserve judgement. Is it 1978? It was the easiest example I could come up with, whilst not being offensive at the same time and following the forum rules
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 15:59:41 GMT
It was the easiest example I could come up with, whilst not being offensive at the same time and following the forum rules How does a "poof" tackle compared to a heterosexual?
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Post by toggsy2 on Dec 17, 2022 16:02:43 GMT
It was the easiest example I could come up with, whilst not being offensive at the same time and following the forum rules How does a "poof" tackle compared to a heterosexual? It was just an example of a flippant comment for heaven's sake let's not get too deep into it
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 17, 2022 16:27:43 GMT
My Dad was from Dublin, being in the building trade he was always called "Paddy" (his name was Michael). On the odd occassion he misunderstood something, when it was pointed out to him, he'd reply, quick as a flash, "Well, what do you expect? I'm Oirish". If he were around today, he'd still be the same, he had no problem with a bit of fun around the Irish stereotype, and was happy to send himself up. We don't know the context in which the comment was made the context is key it may have been a flippant comment taken in the wrong way Sorry, I was responding to KP, about examples where something which some may now say is offensive, was found to be humorous by the person concerned. As you say, we have no details of the Mangan incident.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 17, 2022 16:33:57 GMT
Yes, I think this is how the incident came about, because a Plymouth member of staff was alleged to have been trying to spy on the team talk at half time by recording it. Hopefully this is all something out of nothing and will go away quickly. Just seems weird that there’s a charge to answer in the first place if it’s just one persons word against another’s. The Plymouth staff member was allegedly caught filming the half time team talk. They’ve put some of this (alleged) recording forward as evidence. It raises the question of who told him to go and (allegedly) film the talk, did he do it under instructions or under his own steam? This alleged action has now caused a problem between the clubs that’s made the national press. Surely this guy has something to answer for? There must be FA rules about this? What happened with the Leeds incident when they were supposedly caught filming training sessions recently? The FA don't appear to be taking any action so must be satisfied with Plymouth's explanation?
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Post by gasify on Dec 17, 2022 19:17:25 GMT
I'm struggling to thing what kind of flippant comment would be taken the wrong way as Homophobic. Have you got any examples of what you are thinking? He could have been commenting on the way someone was playing or tackling and said "stop playing or tackling like poof " innocent comment taken out of context if you look at it this way. Until we know we the context of the comment we should reserve judgement. Captain subtext on that comment is a gay person's tackle (not gonads) is not as strong as a heterosexualpersons tackle (still not gonads) and thus saying that gay people are not as strong or tough as hetrosexuals. Isn't that the very definition of homophobic?
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Post by toggsy2 on Dec 17, 2022 19:57:25 GMT
He could have been commenting on the way someone was playing or tackling and said "stop playing or tackling like poof " innocent comment taken out of context if you look at it this way. Until we know we the context of the comment we should reserve judgement. Captain subtext on that comment is a gay person's tackle (not gonads) is not as strong as a heterosexualpersons tackle (still not gonads) and thus saying that gay people are not as strong or tough as hetrosexuals. Isn't that the very definition of homophobic? Sounds like you have already condemned the man even before the facts and full context are relevant talk about pitchforks at the ready it would seem so what ever happened innocent until proven guilty. i don't know what was said and neither do you, you asked for a example and I could have used a number of words but that was the one I used get over yourself life's to short as it is.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 17, 2022 19:59:19 GMT
Going off track from the subject title but what a great job Andy Mangan must be doing, all our strikers have improved while with us. Collins, Coburn, Loft and now Marquis. We have a lot of strength up top.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Dec 17, 2022 20:01:24 GMT
Let them all film our half time team talks if the results is they play as badly as Plymouth did in that 2nd half
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Post by bluebiro on Dec 17, 2022 20:05:36 GMT
They need something to cling on to .
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Post by gasify on Dec 17, 2022 23:44:34 GMT
Captain subtext on that comment is a gay person's tackle (not gonads) is not as strong as a heterosexualpersons tackle (still not gonads) and thus saying that gay people are not as strong or tough as hetrosexuals. Isn't that the very definition of homophobic? Sounds like you have already condemned the man even before the facts and full context are relevant talk about pitchforks at the ready it would seem so what ever happened innocent until proven guilty. i don't know what was said and neither do you, you asked for a example and I could have used a number of words but that was the one I used get over yourself life's to short as it is. No, you completely misunderstand the point I am making. I am not saying that he said anything homophobic. I don't know, I wasn't there. What I am saying is that there is no context that will ever make homophobic remarks acceptable. I asked for an example, you gave one. I then explained why the example is homophobic. We can go all night, you keep giving examples of potential remarks and I can keep explaining why it would now be considered offensive. No pitch forks at the ready. In Bristol, 3.1% of people identify as LGB so on this forum for example if 100 people are viewing then statistically 3 people identify as LGB. I stand with them to rid football of homophobia.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 18, 2022 1:17:21 GMT
Sounds like you have already condemned the man even before the facts and full context are relevant talk about pitchforks at the ready it would seem so what ever happened innocent until proven guilty. i don't know what was said and neither do you, you asked for a example and I could have used a number of words but that was the one I used get over yourself life's to short as it is. No, you completely misunderstand the point I am making. I am not saying that he said anything homophobic. I don't know, I wasn't there. What I am saying is that there is no context that will ever make homophobic remarks acceptable. I asked for an example, you gave one. I then explained why the example is homophobic. We can go all night, you keep giving examples of potential remarks and I can keep explaining why it would now be considered offensive. No pitch forks at the ready. In Bristol, 3.1% of people identify as LGB so on this forum for example if 100 people are viewing then statistically 3 people identify as LGB. I stand with them to rid football of homophobia. Could have said they tackle like a bloke on benefits but that would get a ton of likes, ironic or what.
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