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Post by nsblue on Dec 14, 2022 18:42:08 GMT
Not a good look for the club! Always used to be 'What happened on the pitch, stayed on the pitch'. These days every comment, act, wrong look is reported. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63974471 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 14, 2022 19:29:40 GMT
Not a good look for the club! Always used to be 'What happened on the pitch, stayed on the pitch'. These days every comment, act, wrong look is reported. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63974471Somewhat odd comments, as it sounds like you're suggesting it's OK to make homophobic comments just as long as nobody reports it to the FA. Just when JB's finally cleared his name we're now back in the headlines again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 20:46:47 GMT
Not a good look for the club! Always used to be 'What happened on the pitch, stayed on the pitch'. These days every comment, act, wrong look is reported. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63974471Somewhat odd comments, as it sounds like you're suggesting it's OK to make homophobic comments just as long as nobody reports it to the FA. Just when JB's finally cleared his name we're now back in the headlines again. Not sure that JB cleared his name, his last case has been Stayed so can be reopened at any time if a witness wants to change their mind and give evidence. That said, not good publicity once again for what once promoted itself as an inclusive family club. We have always had one or two amongst the supporters who let the family down but not amongst those running the club and team. |
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Post by bluebiro on Dec 14, 2022 20:51:28 GMT
Somewhat odd comments, as it sounds like you're suggesting it's OK to make homophobic comments just as long as nobody reports it to the FA. Just when JB's finally cleared his name we're now back in the headlines again. Not sure that JB cleared his name, his last case has been Stayed so can be reopened at any time if a witness wants to change their mind and give evidence. That said, not good publicity once again for what once promoted itself as an inclusive family club. We have always had one or two amongst the supporters who let the family down but not amongst those running the club and team. which clubs don't like families? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 14, 2022 21:45:39 GMT
Somewhat odd comments, as it sounds like you're suggesting it's OK to make homophobic comments just as long as nobody reports it to the FA. Just when JB's finally cleared his name we're now back in the headlines again. his last case has been Stayed so can be reopened at any time if a witness wants to change their mind and give evidence. That said, not good publicity once again for what once promoted itself as an inclusive family club. We have always had one or two amongst the supporters who let the family down but not amongst those running the club and team. Somebody had better inform Bristol Live then they are misreporting the outcome of the case, as they are of the view charges were "dropped" and JB "cleared", regardless it's just anti JB nonsense to suggest he hasn't cleared his name. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-manager-joey-barton-7766905 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 22:59:07 GMT
Not sure that JB cleared his name, his last case has been Stayed so can be reopened at any time if a witness wants to change their mind and give evidence. That said, not good publicity once again for what once promoted itself as an inclusive family club. We have always had one or two amongst the supporters who let the family down but not amongst those running the club and team. Somebody had better inform Bristol Live then they are misreporting the outcome of the case, as they are of the view charges were "dropped" and JB "cleared", regardless it's just anti JB nonsense to suggest he hasn't cleared his name. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-rovers-manager-joey-barton-7766905I wouldn't expect the kids doing the reporting at Bristol Live to be legal experts but it doesn't take long to to look up what Stayed means which was the judgement given by the judge. |
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Post by gashead4ever on Dec 15, 2022 2:20:39 GMT
is this really that bad he'll get fine 3 match ban and told not say it again??
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Post by peterparker on Dec 15, 2022 6:52:17 GMT
Club haven't reported the charge yet. Are they waiting for him to be punished to do so?
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Post by Baxtinho on Dec 15, 2022 8:31:37 GMT
Always used to be 'What happened on the pitch, stayed on the pitch'. This sounds horrendous. Imagine the vile comments and behaviour that wasn't caught because of the lack of coverage/technology back then Great! It's the only way that this type of stuff will stop. Nobody should be criticised for speaking out against abuse. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 15, 2022 8:46:51 GMT
Somewhat odd comments, as it sounds like you're suggesting it's OK to make homophobic comments just as long as nobody reports it to the FA. Just when JB's finally cleared his name we're now back in the headlines again. Not sure that JB cleared his name, his last case has been Stayed so can be reopened at any time if a witness wants to change their mind and give evidence. That said, not good publicity once again for what once promoted itself as an inclusive family club. We have always had one or two amongst the supporters who let the family down but not amongst those running the club and team. No matter what people think JB doesn't have to clear his name,it's for the legal process to take place and him to be found guilty,until then he is entirely innocent. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 15, 2022 9:12:47 GMT
Anyone else see where this thread is going?
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Post by badengas on Dec 15, 2022 9:26:46 GMT
Not guilty until proven as with all others,no need to second guess any investigation.
If guilty however what should the club do ? In most businesses this would/could be dismissal on the grounds of gross misconduct, although the final written warning route tends to be used too.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 15, 2022 9:59:49 GMT
Not guilty until proven as with all others,no need to second guess any investigation. If guilty however what should the club do ? In most businesses this would/could be dismissal on the grounds of gross misconduct, although the final written warning route tends to be used too. I mean depends what was said and how it was said doesn't it? I mean whatever it was is unacceptable, but there is a difference between calling someone a 'poof' for instance and a longer stream of abuse. If he is found guilty, I hope the club do comment and explain any action they take. The club was quick to call out abuse of a member of our own staff, the least they will have to do is reciprocate when the shoe is on the other foot |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Dec 15, 2022 10:24:42 GMT
As per all the previous conversations of this type, until we know exactly what the charge is for (i.e. what he is alleged to have said) then its a non story. IF he has done something then he should be punished accordingly, but until it has been proven that he has then he has to be deemed innocent...
Best scenario is that he didn't say anything and or what he did say wasn't actually what someone thought they heard. Worst case, he said something that is inappropriate and wrong and he should be punished accordingly. What is important is understanding the context behind what happened and why and it what context was something said - not only what was actually said.
Homophobia is indefensible but before someone is crucified, lets understand the full picture first and whether something was or wasn't said. Everything is just speculation until then
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Dec 15, 2022 11:08:32 GMT
As per all the previous conversations of this type, until we know exactly what the charge is for (i.e. what he is alleged to have said) then its a non story. IF he has done something then he should be punished accordingly, but until it has been proven that he has then he has to be deemed innocent... Best scenario is that he didn't say anything and or what he did say wasn't actually what someone thought they heard. Worst case, he said something that is inappropriate and wrong and he should be punished accordingly. What is important is understanding the context behind what happened and why and it what context was something said - not only what was actually said. Homophobia is indefensible but before someone is crucified, lets understand the full picture first and whether something was or wasn't said. Everything is just speculation until then Sensible post 💙 |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 15, 2022 12:05:06 GMT
Bristol Rovers can confirm that first-team coach Andy Mangan will be challenging the FA’s decision to charge him, with the club’s full support.
All parties were astonished when informed yesterday that Mr Mangan was being charged under rule E3.2, given the lack of any evidence to support the allegation.
Mr Mangan considers the allegation, which he strongly denies, to be utterly false, and the homophobic conduct alleged to be completely reprehensible. He is aggrieved that the FA has decided to bring a charge, given the baselessness of the claim.
He looks forward, nonetheless, to clearing his name and hopes that the FA will take an early opportunity to withdraw the charge.
Bristol Rovers stands against all forms of homophobia and is committed to being fully inclusive for all.
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Post by dudelebowski on Dec 15, 2022 12:24:16 GMT
Sort of thing that could ruin careers/reputations.
Hope the FA have something concrete to back up this charge, if something was said exactly as they claim. Pretty *ing disgusting otherwise, to accuse someone without any basis at all.
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Dec 15, 2022 12:24:48 GMT
Bristol Rovers can confirm that first-team coach Andy Mangan will be challenging the FA’s decision to charge him, with the club’s full support. All parties were astonished when informed yesterday that Mr Mangan was being charged under rule E3.2, given the lack of any evidence to support the allegation. Mr Mangan considers the allegation, which he strongly denies, to be utterly false, and the homophobic conduct alleged to be completely reprehensible. He is aggrieved that the FA has decided to bring a charge, given the baselessness of the claim. He looks forward, nonetheless, to clearing his name and hopes that the FA will take an early opportunity to withdraw the charge. Bristol Rovers stands against all forms of homophobia and is committed to being fully inclusive for all. Was just about to post the same… looks like Mangan is really upset by the allegation (who wouldn’t be) and hopefully his name is cleared and we can all move on… |
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Post by baggins on Dec 15, 2022 12:31:21 GMT
Bristol Rovers can confirm that first-team coach Andy Mangan will be challenging the FA’s decision to charge him, with the club’s full support. All parties were astonished when informed yesterday that Mr Mangan was being charged under rule E3.2, given the lack of any evidence to support the allegation. Mr Mangan considers the allegation, which he strongly denies, to be utterly false, and the homophobic conduct alleged to be completely reprehensible. He is aggrieved that the FA has decided to bring a charge, given the baselessness of the claim. He looks forward, nonetheless, to clearing his name and hopes that the FA will take an early opportunity to withdraw the charge. Bristol Rovers stands against all forms of homophobia and is committed to being fully inclusive for all. Was just about to post the same… looks like Mangan is really upset by the allegation (who wouldn’t be) and hopefully his name is cleared and we can all move on… And then mention the name of the person who accused him. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 15, 2022 12:36:11 GMT
sh** sticks and people like to rush to judge people without actually knowing what was said and in what context.
Very easy to say that everything homophobic is reprehensible but what is homophobic is subjective.
Take a conversation overheard at the weekend for instance at the PV game as to if the lyrical content of Fairytale of New York is homophobic. I believe this person to be in a position to be a very good judge on this and was discussing with someone else how the context of the word in Irish culture would be considered inoffensive but in English it would. I have no interest in the truth of that statement or debating this matter however this goes to show how nuanced this could be.
Add to that he could have been misheard altogether or the claims could have been fabricated (reprehensible to do this - however it does happen)
Let’s not be so quick to write people off. A modern day ill IMO.
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