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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 18, 2022 5:38:48 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question That’s telephone recordings and taps. Inadmissible in U.K. courts without consent of all parties. Video and audio in a public place does not need permission and to my knowledge is admissible to court.
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Post by fintanstack on Dec 18, 2022 6:18:33 GMT
Sounds like you have already condemned the man even before the facts and full context are relevant talk about pitchforks at the ready it would seem so what ever happened innocent until proven guilty. i don't know what was said and neither do you, you asked for a example and I could have used a number of words but that was the one I used get over yourself life's to short as it is. No, you completely misunderstand the point I am making. I am not saying that he said anything homophobic. I don't know, I wasn't there. What I am saying is that there is no context that will ever make homophobic remarks acceptable. I asked for an example, you gave one. I then explained why the example is homophobic. We can go all night, you keep giving examples of potential remarks and I can keep explaining why it would now be considered offensive. No pitch forks at the ready. In Bristol, 3.1% of people identify as LGB so on this forum for example if 100 people are viewing then statistically 3 people identify as LGB. I stand with them to rid football of homophobia. The media has a lot to answer to in regards to representing gay men. More often than not gay men are portrayed as physically weak or effeminate. The image many people grow up with is not a fair one. In the normal world not all gay men are like Julian Clarey or Graham Norton, neither of whom you could imagine putting in a good shift in a back four. Brokeback Mountain aside, can anyone remember homosexual males being shown as strong? I am definitely not defending homophobia but while the mainstream media continues to pigeonhole people you can at least make an understandable case for ignorance.
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Post by gasify on Dec 18, 2022 9:32:33 GMT
No, you completely misunderstand the point I am making. I am not saying that he said anything homophobic. I don't know, I wasn't there. What I am saying is that there is no context that will ever make homophobic remarks acceptable. I asked for an example, you gave one. I then explained why the example is homophobic. We can go all night, you keep giving examples of potential remarks and I can keep explaining why it would now be considered offensive. No pitch forks at the ready. In Bristol, 3.1% of people identify as LGB so on this forum for example if 100 people are viewing then statistically 3 people identify as LGB. I stand with them to rid football of homophobia. Could have said they tackle like a bloke on benefits but that would get a ton of likes, ironic or what. Actually, the thing I find ironic is that homophobic males that watch porn are probably watching another man's Penis and getting aroused...
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Post by fintanstack on Dec 18, 2022 9:38:45 GMT
Could have said they tackle like a bloke on benefits but that would get a ton of likes, ironic or what. Actually, the thing I find ironic is that homophobic males that watch porn are probably watching another man's Penis and getting aroused... "I only watch lesbian porn because I don't like cocks or gays" *This is obviously a joke
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Post by The Equaliser on Dec 18, 2022 10:41:25 GMT
Still so much more work to be done regarding prejudice in our society.
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Post by fintanstack on Dec 18, 2022 12:48:50 GMT
Still so much more work to be done regarding prejudice in our society. I agree, but I think there is more to be done about ignorance first.
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Post by oldie on Dec 18, 2022 12:53:45 GMT
Still so much more work to be done regarding prejudice in our society. I agree, but I think there is more to be done about ignorance first. That is the main issue
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 18, 2022 13:44:51 GMT
Could have said they tackle like a bloke on benefits but that would get a ton of likes, ironic or what. Actually, the thing I find ironic is that homophobic males that watch porn are probably watching another man's Penis and getting aroused... What is this porn you speak of 😂
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Post by baggins on Dec 18, 2022 13:49:11 GMT
Could have said they tackle like a bloke on benefits but that would get a ton of likes, ironic or what. Actually, the thing I find ironic is that homophobic males that watch porn are probably watching another man's Penis and getting aroused... How do you know that?
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Post by baggins on Dec 18, 2022 13:50:05 GMT
Actually, the thing I find ironic is that homophobic males that watch porn are probably watching another man's Penis and getting aroused... What is this porn you speak of 😂 Used to be the bra section of a Freeman's catalogue.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 18, 2022 13:53:31 GMT
Still so much more work to be done regarding prejudice in our society. No matter how much goodwill and work, not much actually changes. Look at the bekind collective for a good example of this. Most never understand until they are a target and older generations, such as mine, still talk but in hushed tones, unless surrounded by their own ilk.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Dec 18, 2022 13:55:50 GMT
What is this porn you speak of 😂 Used to be the bra section of a Freeman's catalogue. Now you are talking, those were the innocent times that i look back on with fondness. Nothing wrong or unhealthy with that. I’d go so far as to say a rite of passage
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Post by baggins on Dec 18, 2022 14:05:18 GMT
Used to be the bra section of a Freeman's catalogue. Now you are talking, those were the innocent times that i look back on with fondness. Nothing wrong or unhealthy with that. I’d go so far as to say a rite of passage It was the start.
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Post by justin blue on Dec 18, 2022 14:12:05 GMT
Regardless of what was said its innocent until proven guilty so I'm reserving judgement until ALL THE FACTS are presented. Whilst I don't agree with homophobic comments you have to question the spy claim as to why they were spying to start with, is this not an invasion of privacy In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question I am sure you are right that recorded evidence would not be admissible in a court of law, but he has been charged by the FA and they are a law unto theirselves and are probably enjoying the opportunity to prove their woke credentials.
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Post by baggins on Dec 18, 2022 14:22:41 GMT
In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question I am sure you are right that recorded evidence would not be admissible in a court of law, but he has been charged by the FA and they are a law unto theirselves and are probably enjoying the opportunity to prove their woke credentials. Justifying their salary. Useless lot.
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Post by The Equaliser on Dec 18, 2022 14:27:04 GMT
In my limited knowledge of legal things, i think you have to let the other party or people know they are being recorded for it to be admissible as evidence. This just stinks to high heaven and it wou,d be nice to go a good period without reading of some other bloody club making accusations. Sick to my eye teeth of it, are people genuinely so easily offended now, silly question I am sure you are right that recorded evidence would not be admissible in a court of law, but he has been charged by the FA and they are a law unto theirselves and are probably enjoying the opportunity to prove their woke credentials. What’s wrong with being woke?
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Post by oldie on Dec 18, 2022 15:14:43 GMT
I am sure you are right that recorded evidence would not be admissible in a court of law, but he has been charged by the FA and they are a law unto theirselves and are probably enjoying the opportunity to prove their woke credentials. What’s wrong with being woke? I bet he cannot even define it. It's just a throw away remark utilised by those who cannot articulate a point.
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Post by justin blue on Dec 18, 2022 15:29:56 GMT
I am sure you are right that recorded evidence would not be admissible in a court of law, but he has been charged by the FA and they are a law unto theirselves and are probably enjoying the opportunity to prove their woke credentials. What’s wrong with being woke? Did I say there it was?
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Post by fintanstack on Dec 18, 2022 15:38:07 GMT
What’s wrong with being woke? Did I say there it was? You implied it. Why not own your beliefs?
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Post by justin blue on Dec 18, 2022 15:58:54 GMT
You implied it. Why not own your beliefs? Actually I did not. I am not going to indulge you as you are obviously looking for an argument and you don’t have one. You know nothing about me or my beliefs and no right to make character judgements.
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