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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 5, 2023 11:09:43 GMT
At the pub for our pre match pint, the table next to us were discussing the matter. They suggested that if the club is thinking of introducing a policy that you have to pay to get in, shouldn't that also apply to the players and high up club officials who get complimentary tickets? I bet there must have been well over a 100 comps for the Scunthorpe game, when lots of Rovers fans missed out. If the WAGS, family and mates had to pay for some of the best seats that would generate quite a few thousand each season. Don't most fans do that already anyway? I can never understand why clubs give free tickets away to families and friends, I wonder who originally came up with that idea in football? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 5, 2023 11:43:57 GMT
Completely agree. Is this a ticket master issue or a Rovers issue? If it is a ticket master issue, does that mean every ticket they send out for any event can be scanned more than once? It's probably just our dodgy (cheapest will do?) system, if you go to an O2 venue they usually use barcode scanners I've never seen similar card readers used elsewhere. Oi! You leave my venue out of it! That's a bit personal! Haha! |
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Post by gasmonkey on Mar 5, 2023 11:45:22 GMT
I contacted the club pre-season as I’d heard that the e-tickets were being abused. I’d heard of instances where one ticket had got multiple people into the ground (more than 5). This is bad enough but when you think how busy it was for the Southend game there was definitely potential for this to be dangerous as well as ruining the match day experience for people who had paid. Tom said at the time that he had no awareness of this and would investigate. I guess they have now and confirmed it’s a problem. I pass my season ticket on occasions to my partner and don’t see an issue with this as it’s not getting additional bodies into the ground but when one ticket can get multiple people in then it becomes a problem in terms of safety, especially for big games which are likely to be busy anyway. Have you noticed that some games which sell out are sometimes more crowded than others? I’d suggest this is the reason why.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 5, 2023 11:48:20 GMT
Imagine the irony of fans that aren't real fans ripping the club off, when ...... some of the real fans as season ticket holders renewing their ticket online being charged an extra £1 for no reason at all?
The rip off lies both ways.
And, if a few thousand fans pay this, this is a £4-5k for doing sweet f a , hence rip off!
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 12:07:30 GMT
Imagine the irony of fans that aren't real fans ripping the club off, when ...... some of the real fans as season ticket holders renewing their ticket online being charged an extra £1 for no reason at all? The rip off lies both ways. And, if a few thousand fans pay this, this is a £4-5k for doing sweet f a , hence rip off! Unless we're getting new cards? Just a guess as otherwise charging an extra £1 for something we're not getting does seem to be a bit of a cheek to say the least. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 5, 2023 12:19:54 GMT
Not calling you a liar at all. But I can see downloading multiple tickets to one device might be problematic, especially given the club's reaction to stated ticketing abuse. Can I ask, if the first QR code is scanned from the device you downloaded to, and that person gets through, with the device in hand, how does the next person get through, given that they don't have the device to hand? The device was on hand, first Qr code worked second two didn’t, looking at the three codes I couldn’t differentiate between the three. I will be emailing the club and attaching them asking why it didn’t work. Tickets are on a IPhone 14 that’s running latest IOS and all apps etc fully updated this morning before I caught the train. Device was in my hand as boys are eight and thirteen, I always scan for them and stand behind.That's what me and my son do, as I'm rubbish at scanning - put the phone up the wrong way etc.  |
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 5, 2023 12:25:02 GMT
Firstly, the club needs to do better at marketing as I was unaware of any of those schemes. If they were better value for money than going as a senior or youth, then why would someone not do it?! I don’t see it as ripping the club off, I see it as people taking advantage of a loophole. Things that in my opinion are basically the same: Not scanning vitamins/ pricey items at the supermarket. Picking up a £5 note and not handing it in. Not correcting someone when they undercharge you. Taking more penny sweets that you pay for. Not ticking a box on a tax form to avoid tax. Claiming non dom status to avoid tax. Getting paid cash to avoid VAT. The list goes on and on and to be honest I would wager a huge majority of people have done something off the list above or similar. The faux outrage on here about a tiny minority of fans taking advantage of the poor ticketing system is laughable! 2 out of these three are actually illegal. Picking up a fiver - Covered by the law of 'Finders Keepers' as it cannot be identified who it is. Picking up a wallet, should be handed in to the police or customer liason. The other examples - taking too many sweets and being under charged. You may not know this but in some organisations, they charge the employees for shrinkage. Using a mates season ticket is justifiable. Using a mates e ticket and knowing your mate is also using it is outrageous. They should be named and shamed. Buying a ticket in a different age group is also out of order. Not as outrageous as using the same ticket twice but they have lied about their age. The point I was making was simply lots of day to day things millions of people do have questionable ethics. Even finding money, whilst not illegal, what if it was a pensioners money they weee going to buy electricity with? Many would view getting in cheap to a football match in the same light as the things on my list and the faux outrage from some over it is laughable as we all do things that could be interpreted as questionable at times. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:14:06 GMT
2 out of these three are actually illegal. Picking up a fiver - Covered by the law of 'Finders Keepers' as it cannot be identified who it is. Picking up a wallet, should be handed in to the police or customer liason. The other examples - taking too many sweets and being under charged. You may not know this but in some organisations, they charge the employees for shrinkage. Using a mates season ticket is justifiable. Using a mates e ticket and knowing your mate is also using it is outrageous. They should be named and shamed. Buying a ticket in a different age group is also out of order. Not as outrageous as using the same ticket twice but they have lied about their age. The point I was making was simply lots of day to day things millions of people do have questionable ethics. Even finding money, whilst not illegal, what if it was a pensioners money they weee going to buy electricity with? Many would view getting in cheap to a football match in the same light as the things on my list and the faux outrage from some over it is laughable as we all do things that could be interpreted as questionable at times. Still doesn't excuse it. |
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Post by gasify on Mar 5, 2023 13:30:10 GMT
2 out of these three are actually illegal. Picking up a fiver - Covered by the law of 'Finders Keepers' as it cannot be identified who it is. Picking up a wallet, should be handed in to the police or customer liason. The other examples - taking too many sweets and being under charged. You may not know this but in some organisations, they charge the employees for shrinkage. Using a mates season ticket is justifiable. Using a mates e ticket and knowing your mate is also using it is outrageous. They should be named and shamed. Buying a ticket in a different age group is also out of order. Not as outrageous as using the same ticket twice but they have lied about their age. The point I was making was simply lots of day to day things millions of people do have questionable ethics. Even finding money, whilst not illegal, what if it was a pensioners money they weee going to buy electricity with? Many would view getting in cheap to a football match in the same light as the things on my list and the faux outrage from some over it is laughable as we all do things that could be interpreted as questionable at times. I don't think it is faux outrage. I am really angry that we are missing out on this revenue. What if the additional revenue from these people (and the fact that a statement has been put out, suggests it was more than one person) could've bought a player in the Jan transfer window that would have made a difference to our end of season? It's just not justifiable. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:41:01 GMT
The point I was making was simply lots of day to day things millions of people do have questionable ethics. Even finding money, whilst not illegal, what if it was a pensioners money they weee going to buy electricity with? Many would view getting in cheap to a football match in the same light as the things on my list and the faux outrage from some over it is laughable as we all do things that could be interpreted as questionable at times. I don't think it is faux outrage. I am really angry that we are missing out on this revenue. What if the additional revenue from these people (and the fact that a statement has been put out, suggests it was more than one person) could've bought a player in the Jan transfer window that would have made a difference to our end of season? It's just not justifiable. It certainly isn't, and more than likely the legitimate payers who don't cheat the system will have to pick up the loss. |
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 5, 2023 13:43:01 GMT
The point I was making was simply lots of day to day things millions of people do have questionable ethics. Even finding money, whilst not illegal, what if it was a pensioners money they weee going to buy electricity with? Many would view getting in cheap to a football match in the same light as the things on my list and the faux outrage from some over it is laughable as we all do things that could be interpreted as questionable at times. Still doesn't excuse it. I’ve used a senior season ticket before when it couldn’t be used by the ST holder. It was a game I wouldn’t have attended had it not been ‘free’. At the match I purchased a few pints in the club, a dirty overpriced burger and chips and a Mars bar. All revenue the club would have lost had I not attended. I have no issue doing it and would do it again. Seems perfectly reasonable to me! |
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 5, 2023 13:46:44 GMT
The point I was making was simply lots of day to day things millions of people do have questionable ethics. Even finding money, whilst not illegal, what if it was a pensioners money they weee going to buy electricity with? Many would view getting in cheap to a football match in the same light as the things on my list and the faux outrage from some over it is laughable as we all do things that could be interpreted as questionable at times. I don't think it is faux outrage. I am really angry that we are missing out on this revenue. What if the additional revenue from these people (and the fact that a statement has been put out, suggests it was more than one person) could've bought a player in the Jan transfer window that would have made a difference to our end of season? It's just not justifiable. Each to their own. 87% of people speed in a 20 mph zone despite the fact we all know it’s designated 20mph due to their likely being a school or children nearby and also knowing that in doing so they significantly increase the likelihood of a fatal accident. I can understand being angry at that. Getting in to the football on the cheap just doesn’t rank highly in my list of things to be angry at. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:51:19 GMT
I’ve used a senior season ticket before when it couldn’t be used by the ST holder. It was a game I wouldn’t have attended had it not been ‘free’. At the match I purchased a few pints in the club, a dirty overpriced burger and chips and a Mars bar. All revenue the club would have lost had I not attended. I have no issue doing it and would do it again. Seems perfectly reasonable to me! Not sure how much of your purchases went to the club though. And it still doesn't excuse people getting in for free (which I think was the whole point of the 'ticket abuse') thread. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:53:43 GMT
I don't think it is faux outrage. I am really angry that we are missing out on this revenue. What if the additional revenue from these people (and the fact that a statement has been put out, suggests it was more than one person) could've bought a player in the Jan transfer window that would have made a difference to our end of season? It's just not justifiable. Each to their own. 87% of people speed in a 20 mph zone despite the fact we all know it’s designated 20mph due to their likely being a school or children nearby and also knowing that in doing so they significantly increase the likelihood of a fatal accident. I can understand being angry at that. Getting in to the football on the cheap just doesn’t rank highly in my list of things to be angry at. And hopefully speeders are all prosecuted and fined. Just like fans getting in on the cheap. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 5, 2023 14:05:59 GMT
Each to their own. 87% of people speed in a 20 mph zone despite the fact we all know it’s designated 20mph due to their likely being a school or children nearby and also knowing that in doing so they significantly increase the likelihood of a fatal accident. I can understand being angry at that. Getting in to the football on the cheap just doesn’t rank highly in my list of things to be angry at. And hopefully speeders are all prosecuted and fined. Just like fans getting in on the cheap. Yep, absolutely |
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 5, 2023 14:35:44 GMT
I’ve used a senior season ticket before when it couldn’t be used by the ST holder. It was a game I wouldn’t have attended had it not been ‘free’. At the match I purchased a few pints in the club, a dirty overpriced burger and chips and a Mars bar. All revenue the club would have lost had I not attended. I have no issue doing it and would do it again. Seems perfectly reasonable to me! Not sure how much of your purchases went to the club though. And it still doesn't excuse people getting in for free (which I think was the whole point of the 'ticket abuse') thread. And here’s the problem. You have less of an issue with a season ticket being used than someone getting in for free. The whole thing is very subjective! |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 14:38:29 GMT
Not sure how much of your purchases went to the club though. And it still doesn't excuse people getting in for free (which I think was the whole point of the 'ticket abuse') thread. And here’s the problem. You have less of an issue with a season ticket being used than someone getting in for free. The whole thing is very subjective! I use my Season Ticket, and paid a lot of money for the privelage. To hear others are getting in through cheating the system doesn't sit well with me. |
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 5, 2023 14:41:09 GMT
Each to their own. 87% of people speed in a 20 mph zone despite the fact we all know it’s designated 20mph due to their likely being a school or children nearby and also knowing that in doing so they significantly increase the likelihood of a fatal accident. I can understand being angry at that. Getting in to the football on the cheap just doesn’t rank highly in my list of things to be angry at. And hopefully speeders are all prosecuted and fined. Just like fans getting in on the cheap. Again all very subjective. If 87% of people are doing it then they obviously feel differently. Is speeding any better or worse than getting into football cheaply? Statistically many of those complaining about people getting into the football cheaply are happy to break laws. That’s why I refer to it as faux outrage! |
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 5, 2023 14:43:20 GMT
And here’s the problem. You have less of an issue with a season ticket being used than someone getting in for free. The whole thing is very subjective! I use my Season Ticket, and paid a lot of money for the privelage. To hear others are getting in through cheating the system doesn't sit well with me. I understand that, all I’m saying is people bend, stretch and break rules everyday. I don’t get why people are so upset by this particular issue. There seems to be far more important things to get upset by! |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 14:50:02 GMT
And hopefully speeders are all prosecuted and fined. Just like fans getting in on the cheap. Again all very subjective. If 87% of people are doing it then they obviously feel differently. Is speeding any better or worse than getting into football cheaply? Statistically many of those complaining about people getting into the football cheaply are happy to break laws. That’s why I refer to it as faux outrage! I think you're assuming many people have your outlook on breaking rules. We don't, it's just you. |
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