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Post by Captain Jayho on Jan 26, 2017 6:22:14 GMT
The Al qadis aren't paying for the stadium, they've got private investors stumping up most of the money There must be some security given by the Al-Q's that they'll meet any short fall if it up goes t1ts up, as otherwise NH could have just gone not and found investors prepared to invest £50m at the UWE. I suspect Nick's version of the plan may not have stacked up quite as well as the current revision under scrutiny from serious investors...
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jan 26, 2017 7:15:01 GMT
There must be some security given by the Al-Q's that they'll meet any short fall if it up goes t1ts up, as otherwise NH could have just gone not and found investors prepared to invest £50m at the UWE. I suspect Nick's version of the plan may not have stacked up quite as well as the current revision under scrutiny from serious investors... I also wouldn't have wanted NH borrowing £50 million for us, he wasn't known for securing the best deal when it came to interest rates, was he? Think of the mess he would've landed the club in.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2017 7:21:52 GMT
OK, so for once in my life I can confidently claim to be ITK. The following isn't speculation, educated guesswork or pure Bullsh1t. when the match was over my lad and I made our way to the station via the chippie just outside the stadium. We joined the several hundred other fans, us and Charlton, on the crowded platform. There was absolutely no bother, just having a good chat. There was a South Eastern trains guy on the platform and I asked him the size of the train and he advised us to make our way further along the platform as there was considerable bunching at the platform entrance. We walked some distance down the platform just as the train was pulling into the station. As luck would have it we were right by one of the doors and were among the first people to get into the carriage. My lad said There's Wael sitting there, and sitting on a 3 seat bench was Wael and opposite him was an older grey haired man wearing specs. The 2 seats next to him were empty. Wael shook my hand and invited us the sit with them. I had a look to my left and realised the other man was Steve Hamer. Sitting next to Wael was one of his older brothers. We had a good chat about the game, and Wael confirmed the Italian keeper is coming over for a weeks trial later in the week. They then confirmed we will be having another pre-season friendly at FC Sabadell! The Chairman got his diary out and said it would be either 26 th or 27th July. I decided I was on a it of a roll so I said to Mr Hamer, "I suppose discussing the UWE stadium is off limits"? He replied "Not at all, it's all going well and there should hopefully be something announced in the next couple of weeks" So there you go. What were the chances of getting to sit with the owner and his Chief Exec on a crowded train? On this occasion it was an 8 carriage made up of two 4 car sets which are not linked with a gangway. Therefore, not only did we get the correct portion of the train, but also the correct carriage, entrance and set of seats. Make of of this what you will guys, but I promise everything I have written is 100% true. But DC also needs to keep the motivation going in both the players and the fans, just right off this season now could be a dangerous game, look how the 82ers have got into losing streak they'll struggle to recover from under LJ.
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Post by HarryBayles on Jan 26, 2017 18:29:21 GMT
Anyone know how many acres the UWE site is? Heard today we have bid around £400k per acre but UWE want over a million (around 1.25m). Same chap passed this on that told me about the Jordanian buy out a week or so before it broke so I've no reason to disbelieve him.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 26, 2017 18:32:43 GMT
I suspect Nick's version of the plan may not have stacked up quite as well as the current revision under scrutiny from serious investors... I also wouldn't have wanted NH borrowing £50 million for us, he wasn't known for securing the best deal when it came to interest rates, was he? Think of the mess he would've landed the club in. Would have?? Trololol Though to be fair to him he stuck by DC in the first 6-8 weeks in the Conference when many wanted him gone.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2017 18:51:19 GMT
Anyone know how many acres the UWE site is? Heard today we have bid around £400k per acre but UWE want over a million (around 1.25m). Same chap passed this on that told me about the Jordanian buy out a week or so before it broke so I've no reason to disbelieve him. Off the UWE website "South Gloucestershire Council granted planning permission for the construction of a new 21,700 seat stadium on 9 hectares of land purchased by UWE Bristol from neighbouring Hewlett Packard back in October 2008. It is planned that the stadium will become the home ground for Bristol Rovers Football Club." 9 hectares = 22 Acres, so we're offering around £9/10m they want around £25m, that's a much bigger difference in values than I'd heard. A guess the first figure is what NH agreed, the second the development price of the land on the open market?? A bit worrying if these figures are anywhere near genuine, it's just a pity the local media won't do a bit of investigation work and find out the truth.
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Post by You can call me Al. on Jan 26, 2017 18:55:02 GMT
Anyone know how many acres the UWE site is? Heard today we have bid around £400k per acre but UWE want over a million (around 1.25m). Same chap passed this on that told me about the Jordanian buy out a week or so before it broke so I've no reason to disbelieve him. Off the UWE website "South Gloucestershire Council granted planning permission for the construction of a new 21,700 seat stadium on 9 hectares of land purchased by UWE Bristol from neighbouring Hewlett Packard back in October 2008. It is planned that the stadium will become the home ground for Bristol Rovers Football Club." 9 hectares = 22 Acres, so we're offering around £9/10m they want around £25m, that's a much bigger difference in values than I'd heard. A guess the first figure is what NH agreed, the second the development price of the land on the open market?? A bit worrying if these figures are anywhere near genuine, it's just a pity the local media won't do a bit of investigation work and find out the truth. In fairness it is a private negotiation, UWE don't want to do their washing in public. And they certainly don't need thousands of local football supporters slating them ala Sainsbury's. I think they are being very professional and are totally right to keep it confidential and behind closed doors.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 26, 2017 19:32:15 GMT
Anyone know how many acres the UWE site is? Heard today we have bid around £400k per acre but UWE want over a million (around 1.25m). Same chap passed this on that told me about the Jordanian buy out a week or so before it broke so I've no reason to disbelieve him. Commercial land to buy is 500k an acre, land with planning for housing is 1.1 million an acre.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 26, 2017 19:52:27 GMT
Confirms what i have been told, if uwe won't budge we will be walking away, and most probably be redeveloping the mem. Uwe's agents have sounded out housing companies and have a gun to our head.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2017 20:03:05 GMT
Off the UWE website "South Gloucestershire Council granted planning permission for the construction of a new 21,700 seat stadium on 9 hectares of land purchased by UWE Bristol from neighbouring Hewlett Packard back in October 2008. It is planned that the stadium will become the home ground for Bristol Rovers Football Club." 9 hectares = 22 Acres, so we're offering around £9/10m they want around £25m, that's a much bigger difference in values than I'd heard. A guess the first figure is what NH agreed, the second the development price of the land on the open market?? A bit worrying if these figures are anywhere near genuine, it's just a pity the local media won't do a bit of investigation work and find out the truth. In fairness it is a private negotiation, UWE don't want to do their washing in public. And they certainly don't need thousands of local football supporters slating them ala Sainsbury's. I think they are being very professional and are totally right to keep it confidential and behind closed doors. I guess we'll know on the 31 August at the latest how professional the UWE have been, it's a bit worrying that with a few months to go to that date we still seem millions apart on the land value. If the UWE want X and the Al-Q's can only pay Y then it does make you wonder how any agreement is ever going to be reached, given that talks must have already been going on for a few months.
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Post by xplosivgas on Jan 26, 2017 20:21:55 GMT
I bet pompous Uni-types are a pain in the arse to deal with. They're not going to budge much, if at all, on price. Oh well, I guess the Mem has a certain charm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 20:23:29 GMT
Confirms what i have been told, if uwe won't budge we will be walking away, and most probably be redeveloping the mem. Uwe's agents have sounded out housing companies and have a gun to our head. Begs the question, why would UWE want to sell the land to housebuilders when a stadium is on their long term masterplan for the Frenchay campus?
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Post by amgas on Jan 26, 2017 20:41:02 GMT
Hopefully South Glos will be clear that this is commercial land and remind the UWE of this.
As I understand it HP before them got the land on that basis and it was sold to UWE by HP on the same basis.
This is not housing land.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 26, 2017 21:34:02 GMT
Hopefully South Glos will be clear that this is commercial land and remind the UWE of this. As I understand it HP before them got the land on that basis and it was sold to UWE by HP on the same basis. This is not housing land. Isn't Cheswick Village next door, if so, how can S Glos stop the UWE from selling it for housing when there's so much pressure from the Government to find suitable land for housing, if it was land at Avonmouth etc I can see get pp being an issue but I can't see on what ground S Glos could challenge pp, or that's what they could be telling the Al-Q's anyway. As far as HP I imagine whatever use the UWE sell the land for will have the same issues for them to overcome with HP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 21:39:32 GMT
Hopefully South Glos will be clear that this is commercial land and remind the UWE of this. As I understand it HP before them got the land on that basis and it was sold to UWE by HP on the same basis. This is not housing land. It's also very close to MOD Abbey Wood.
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Post by Blackbeard on Jan 26, 2017 22:19:52 GMT
****putting me hat on******
Redevelop the mem....gets my vote 👍
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 26, 2017 23:13:19 GMT
I bet pompous Uni-types are a pain in the arse to deal with. They're not going to budge much, if at all, on price. Oh well, I guess the Mem has a certain charm. I don't know about pompous,especially with regards to UWE. I'll agree that universities can be frustrating to deal with at times, mostly because their decision making process Is often long and drawn out. If August is the planning deadline (not January 2018) there are two more scheduled meetings of the UWE governors before then. Of cours, you would hope that negotiation progresses regardless, but these are the usual decision points. i really don't see the harm in the local media interviewing the Vice Chancellor about the stadium.
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Post by pilninggas on Jan 27, 2017 6:50:43 GMT
I bet pompous Uni-types are a pain in the arse to deal with. They're not going to budge much, if at all, on price. Oh well, I guess the Mem has a certain charm. It won't be 'pompous uni types' who will be doing the work at UWE's end. It'll be their corporate people, estates management and lawyers, who will be on every detail and making sure it returns them as much as possible. Fair enough really, we'll do the same when [if] we leave the mem, possibly by selling the land off in parcels to the highest bidder.
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Post by STRONG,SECURE, STABLE on Jan 27, 2017 11:31:08 GMT
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Post by gasincider on Jan 27, 2017 11:50:50 GMT
If August is the planning deadline (not January 2018) there are two more scheduled meetings of the UWE governors before then. Of cours, you would hope that negotiation progresses regardless, but these are the usual decision points. i really don't see the harm in the local media interviewing the Vice Chancellor about the stadium. I don't understand why SH is quoting August 2017 as the cut off date. On the planning schedule I have seen it clearly states that planning permission is granted up to January 2018. However, the more important cut off date is surely March 2017. If we haven't started building by then it means we will not be in the new stadium in time for season 2018/19. How much will that cost us?
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