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Post by HarryBayles on Jan 27, 2017 11:55:54 GMT
Anyone know how many acres the UWE site is? Heard today we have bid around £400k per acre but UWE want over a million (around 1.25m). Same chap passed this on that told me about the Jordanian buy out a week or so before it broke so I've no reason to disbelieve him. Off the UWE website "South Gloucestershire Council granted planning permission for the construction of a new 21,700 seat stadium on 9 hectares of land purchased by UWE Bristol from neighbouring Hewlett Packard back in October 2008. It is planned that the stadium will become the home ground for Bristol Rovers Football Club." 9 hectares = 22 Acres, so we're offering around £9/10m they want around £25m, that's a much bigger difference in values than I'd heard. A guess the first figure is what NH agreed, the second the development price of the land on the open market?? A bit worrying if these figures are anywhere near genuine, it's just a pity the local media won't do a bit of investigation work and find out the truth. Yeah very different to the £4m difference suggested on here but goes some way to explain the stalling. If UWE are holding us to ransom with the threat of selling for housing, which is something mentioned, then Puckle gas' figures (Commercial land to buy is 500k an acre, land with planning for housing is 1.1 million an acre. ) fit. Seems a shame if this is how it ends but i still hold the hope, as will the board, that a figure can be reached. It was also mentioned that the training ground is costing about £1.2m to purchase, can anyone verify this?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 27, 2017 12:11:29 GMT
Confirms what i have been told, if uwe won't budge we will be walking away, and most probably be redeveloping the mem. Uwe's agents have sounded out housing companies and have a gun to our head. it will take the UWE 2-3 years to get planning for that site, they need the money NOW
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 27, 2017 12:13:02 GMT
If August is the planning deadline (not January 2018) there are two more scheduled meetings of the UWE governors before then. Of cours, you would hope that negotiation progresses regardless, but these are the usual decision points. i really don't see the harm in the local media interviewing the Vice Chancellor about the stadium. I don't understand why SH is quoting August 2017 as the cut off date. On the planning schedule I have seen it clearly states that planning permission is granted up to January 2018. However, the more important cut off date is surely March 2017. If we haven't started building by then it means we will not be in the new stadium in time for season 2018/19. How much will that cost us? It will take up to 3 months to get the AMP (access,movement & parking) sorted with the council before they can start work
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 27, 2017 13:07:52 GMT
No doubt your right but I don't understand why SH suggested pp expires in August if he really meant we need to agree by August to beat the January deadline, although I guess if we can't agree a price for land by then we'll never agree one! If we are still millions apart then starting work is never going to happen by March and the targets probably now March 18, subject to meeting pp by Jan 18.
I still don't get why the UWE were happy to let us have a 125 year lease for around £10m but now want around double for an out right purchase, as whatever deal they agreed they'd still have a football stadium on their land for 100+ years! All we can hope is somehow the Al-Q's broker an acceptable deal by August.
i'm not really sure where the suggestion of re-developing the Mem is coming from, as Wael/SH has never mentioned that in public so whose going to fund that if the Al-Q's don't want to?
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Post by peterparker on Jan 27, 2017 13:14:42 GMT
why are so many so so picky about SH's wording on the planning permission expiry? Maybe he should have said a deal needs to be done by August instead of PP expiring then, but I don't get the fuss. It's a VERYMINOR point in the bigger scheme
We have a deadline, out in the open and we will all know one way or the other in the next few months
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 27, 2017 13:21:20 GMT
why are so many so so picky about SH's wording on the planning permission expiry? Maybe he should have said a deal needs to be done by August instead of PP expiring then, but I don't get the fuss. It's a VERYMINOR point in the bigger scheme We have a deadline, out in the open and we will all know one way or the other in the next few months Whist it is being discussed nobody on here is too concerned about the cut off date, the big concern is the land value.
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Post by STRONG,SECURE, STABLE on Jan 27, 2017 14:56:44 GMT
sorry have i missed the evidence provided that land cost has doubled or are we just taking some blokes word for it?
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Post by Marshy on Jan 27, 2017 16:02:00 GMT
sorry have i missed the evidence provided that land cost has doubled or are we just taking some blokes word for it? The answer to your question is yes it's all speculation 22 pages of it up to now! Edit: I mean yes to the 2nd part of your question.
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Post by HarryBayles on Jan 27, 2017 16:26:12 GMT
sorry have i missed the evidence provided that land cost has doubled or are we just taking some blokes word for it? The answer to your question is yes it's all speculation 22 pages of it up to now! Edit: I mean yes to the 2nd part of your question. Its a forum not a court room. We thrive on speculation. I have no issue posting what i've been told as much as the OP had posting his info. Take it as gospel or with a pinch of salt, that is your prerogative. As I said the chap that passed this info on also informed me of the Jordanian takeover before that happened so i've no reason to doubt it. That doesnt make it true as things have tightened up since the new board have come in and i believe he was getting his info from a former board member. Either way it goes some way to suggest way things have stalled.
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Post by Marshy on Jan 27, 2017 16:38:43 GMT
The answer to your question is yes it's all speculation 22 pages of it up to now! Edit: I mean yes to the 2nd part of your question. Its a forum not a court room. We thrive on speculation. I have no issue posting what i've been told as much as the OP had posting his info. Take it as gospel or with a pinch of salt, that is your prerogative. As I said the chap that passed this info on also informed me of the Jordanian takeover before that happened so i've no reason to doubt it. That doesnt make it true as things have tightened up since the new board have come in and i believe he was getting his info from a former board member. Either way it goes some way to suggest way things have stalled. that's fair enough harry I can't argue with that, each to his own it would be very boring on here if we all had the same opinions UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 16:40:01 GMT
The answer to your question is yes it's all speculation 22 pages of it up to now! Edit: I mean yes to the 2nd part of your question. Its a forum not a court room. We thrive on speculation. I have no issue posting what i've been told as much as the OP had posting his info. Take it as gospel or with a pinch of salt, that is your prerogative. As I said the chap that passed this info on also informed me of the Jordanian takeover before that happened so i've no reason to doubt it. That doesnt make it true as things have tightened up since the new board have come in and i believe he was getting his info from a former board member. Either way it goes some way to suggest way things have stalled. But this young man used the word speculation,if he thought he was in court then he shirley would have stated it was hearsay.
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Post by HarryBayles on Jan 27, 2017 16:42:36 GMT
Its a forum not a court room. We thrive on speculation. I have no issue posting what i've been told as much as the OP had posting his info. Take it as gospel or with a pinch of salt, that is your prerogative. As I said the chap that passed this info on also informed me of the Jordanian takeover before that happened so i've no reason to doubt it. That doesnt make it true as things have tightened up since the new board have come in and i believe he was getting his info from a former board member. Either way it goes some way to suggest way things have stalled. But this young man used the word speculation,if he thought he was in court then he shirley would have stated it was hearsay. I was referring to the post he was referring to - "sorry have i missed the evidence provided that land cost has doubled or are we just taking some blokes word for it?"
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 27, 2017 17:31:37 GMT
sorry have i missed the evidence provided that land cost has doubled or are we just taking some blokes word for it? Wael apparently told Gasincider something similar, I've also heard the UWE want millions more plus HB has heard it from his, usually reliable, source. There is also something clearly holding the deal up. Make your own decision as to whether it's reliable or not, but unless it appears in the media nobody will ever know for certain.
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Post by kylegas on Jan 27, 2017 19:49:49 GMT
Its a forum not a court room. We thrive on speculation. I have no issue posting what i've been told as much as the OP had posting his info. Take it as gospel or with a pinch of salt, that is your prerogative. As I said the chap that passed this info on also informed me of the Jordanian takeover before that happened so i've no reason to doubt it. That doesnt make it true as things have tightened up since the new board have come in and i believe he was getting his info from a former board member. Either way it goes some way to suggest way things have stalled. But this young man used the word speculation,if he thought he was in court then he shirley would have stated it was hearsay. Im doing everything I can... and stop calling me Shirley.
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Post by gasstrictband on Jan 27, 2017 20:28:39 GMT
Hey Shirley ,are you blonde or brunette ?.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2017 22:45:40 GMT
Just to summarise the various figures then, UWE have asked for about double the original agreement, we have offered £400k per acre, commercial land is worth £500k, housing would be £1.1m and the UWE are asking for £1.25m.
Are we still looking at the extra land next to the stadium plot? That would be about 5 acres (?) with the stadium about 22 acres.
If we are then I'm wondering if these figures relate to different bits of the land rather than the whole site. For example if we take the £500k figure for the stadium plot and the £1.25m for the extra land, that is a difference of £2.2m + £6.25m = £8.45m extra. That is roughly twice what the original £8m allowance for the leasehold.
If we are offering commercial rates for the extra land rather what UWE are supposed to be asking for then (£1.25m - £500k) per acre = £700k x 5 acres means a gap of around £3.5m.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 7:47:46 GMT
Just to summarise the various figures then, UWE have asked for about double the original agreement, we have offered £400k per acre, commercial land is worth £500k, housing would be £1.1m and the UWE are asking for £1.25m. Are we still looking at the extra land next to the stadium plot? That would be about 5 acres (?) with the stadium about 22 acres. If we are then I'm wondering if these figures relate to different bits of the land rather than the whole site. For example if we take the £500k figure for the stadium plot and the £1.25m for the extra land, that is a difference of £2.2m + £6.25m = £8.45m extra. That is roughly twice what the original £8m allowance for the leasehold. If we are offering commercial rates for the extra land rather what UWE are supposed to be asking for then (£1.25m - £500k) per acre = £700k x 5 acres means a gap of around £3.5m. I must admit to admiring your mathematical skills, having said that your calculations are based on hypothetical figures as nobody on here has a clue about what's going on, let alone know the pounds shillings and pence in question!
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 28, 2017 8:09:59 GMT
Just to summarise the various figures then, UWE have asked for about double the original agreement, we have offered £400k per acre, commercial land is worth £500k, housing would be £1.1m and the UWE are asking for £1.25m. Are we still looking at the extra land next to the stadium plot? That would be about 5 acres (?) with the stadium about 22 acres. If we are then I'm wondering if these figures relate to different bits of the land rather than the whole site. For example if we take the £500k figure for the stadium plot and the £1.25m for the extra land, that is a difference of £2.2m + £6.25m = £8.45m extra. That is roughly twice what the original £8m allowance for the leasehold. If we are offering commercial rates for the extra land rather what UWE are supposed to be asking for then (£1.25m - £500k) per acre = £700k x 5 acres means a gap of around £3.5m. thanks carol vorderman
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 28, 2017 9:29:56 GMT
Just to summarise the various figures then, UWE have asked for about double the original agreement, we have offered £400k per acre, commercial land is worth £500k, housing would be £1.1m and the UWE are asking for £1.25m. Are we still looking at the extra land next to the stadium plot? That would be about 5 acres (?) with the stadium about 22 acres. If we are then I'm wondering if these figures relate to different bits of the land rather than the whole site. For example if we take the £500k figure for the stadium plot and the £1.25m for the extra land, that is a difference of £2.2m + £6.25m = £8.45m extra. That is roughly twice what the original £8m allowance for the leasehold. If we are offering commercial rates for the extra land rather what UWE are supposed to be asking for then (£1.25m - £500k) per acre = £700k x 5 acres means a gap of around £3.5m. thanks carol vorderman I do not blame UWE or WAQ, Higgs ****** about for so long, I am surprised the UWE are still entertaining any discussions with our Board. The UWE have gone about their business and built the new Business School, if developers are now offering them a better deal then best of luck to them. WAQ and Hamer will have to look elsewhere; O ye what about developing the MEM ?
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 28, 2017 9:37:55 GMT
peterhooper57, It has long been stated that the Mem redevelopment is not a viable proposition. Drop it!!!!
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