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Post by Icegas on Aug 16, 2019 23:30:39 GMT
Can't see why people wouldn't want him. It seems so petty to not want him just because he's a City player. It's not even like our players hate their players and vice versa, they're all regularly out for drinks together; Bobby Reid & Ellis Harrison were best mates, Taylor is still mates with a lot of our players, Lines got congratulatory posts from a lot of City players when he got released. He could set in well, he's desperately the player we need, and the "I don't want to be developing players for City." argument is stupid to me, so? We're willing to develop players for Chelsea, Swansea, Barnsley, QPR, Stoke, Sheffield United, Arsenal etc but not for City even if it's a good player? Also, if god forbids City do get promoted this season (unlikely imo but possible), why would they want a League 1 player? Surely it would mean if he was good for us we could buy him on a permanent? I know that's not like us at the moment but that doesn't seem too unrealistic a scenario. He's a very good player and someone we'd all have in a heartbeat, so I'm not too sure why people wouldn't take him just because he's a City player (not even like he's a City fan or a City youth, only been there a season, and we're all fine with having Little). Very...very different signing an Ex City player like Little to loaning a current player off them.It fact a non first team squad player/youth side player. We have done it before and I hated it then, and I will hate it even more after the Taylor deal went down if it ever happens again. This may sound small minded,or cutting my nose off despite my face blah..blah - which is bollox.Its called having simple pride for our football club. We will be loaning a player off them that they deem "inferior" to them,right now and will let little Bristol Rovers borrow him for the moment. f**k THAT! I would rather see us resign the snake on a 3 year contact then "borrow" any standard of player off them. There are another 90 odd clubs in England that we could seek to loan off other than them,there is no excuse. In fact it worrys me deeply in regards to our owners intent, or GC management ablity that we are looking at this as an option.This smacks of desperation and echos the era for 5 years before May 2014, and we all know what happened there.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 16, 2019 10:10:16 GMT
There has been too much history between our clubs.I had no problem signing a player from them in a permanent move before the Taylor transfer.The nature and screw job of the transfer by them over us was embarrassing.We should never deal with that club again. Signing a released player of theres Im ok with.But signing a under 23 loan player,f**k off!! Really does smack of Rag bag Rovers and isn't that what we want to change? So you’re more bothered about the pride element of it than how it affects the possible success of our team? Isn’t that the definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face? Yes Im interested in having self pride.Your not talking about signing a proven championship,or premiership player here.Its an under 23 player from Bristol City.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 16, 2019 9:44:38 GMT
Rubbish. Its an insult to us fans and our club. We have been this route before with Lee Matthews and Im sure someone else who's name escapes me right now. They are a better club right now,we know this and most except it.But they are not Barcelona,Real Madrid etc.. and taking loans off them as our closest rival is an insult and an embarrassment. Its like going balls deep in your best mates ex wife,and a line that should never be crossed! If we have anything to do with any transfer deals with them again be it loans or permanent deals after the snake deal I will be watered off.. That's rubbish. I said if he works improve the squad. Obviously if he wasn't better, there would be no point in signing him. Not all players want to move, especially for a loan deal, if they are settled in the area. So you are telling me, you would rather finish lower down the table, than bring in a better player, if possible. So if he was the difference between getting relegated, or staying up, you wouldn't sign him?? If JCH came from c**y, would you have signed him?? Or just let us get relegated??? Talk about cutting your nose off, to spite your face! There has been too much history between our clubs.I had no problem signing a player from them in a permanent move before the Taylor transfer.The nature and screw job of the transfer by them over us was embarrassing.We should never deal with that club again. Signing a released player of theres Im ok with.But signing a under 23 loan player,f**k off!! Really does smack of Rag bag Rovers and isn't that what we want to change?
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Post by Icegas on Aug 16, 2019 7:58:07 GMT
Just after 12th min. Midget man confirms it If this happens its a joke.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 16, 2019 7:01:59 GMT
If he's going to improve the squad, then I works be all for it. I hate them, but if we turned it down, just because he plays for them. We would be losing out. What if it was a loan, with a view to a permanent in January,I would definitely be keen. As long as terms were agreed in advance, so they couldn't screw us, if he did well. Rubbish. Its an insult to us fans and our club. We have been this route before with Lee Matthews and Im sure someone else who's name escapes me right now. They are a better club right now,we know this and most except it.But they are not Barcelona,Real Madrid etc.. and taking loans off them as our closest rival is an insult and an embarrassment. Its like going balls deep in your best mates ex wife,and a line that should never be crossed! If we have anything to do with any transfer deals with them again be it loans or permanent deals after the snake deal I will be watered off..
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Post by Icegas on Aug 14, 2019 12:24:29 GMT
They were always a L1 club until 2011 - from the early 1980's. They are pretty much the same sized club as us, but got a new ground and had good management to the prem.. They dont get me buzzed to play them... I remember playing them in 2007/8 at home when they were getting crowds of only 6k. Only because they couldn't fit any more into The Withdean. Thats not correct, there were times that they were getting 5k in a ground that held over 6,000.Most of the time it was full tho.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 14, 2019 9:56:00 GMT
City were never getting 15k - 18k weekly in L1... This stupid myth that they have been getting the crowds they get now for years wateres me off!!! In L1 they were getting an Avg 9k- 12k during a normal season,maybe higher for big games against us,Swindon, Cardiff etc.. Even before the Ashton rebuild they were never selling out at championship level. Brighton had more history than us just,but there crowds have come because of the Amex and Championship and Premiership football. Withdean was shocking,maybe worse than the Mem.But Brighton crowds were in line with ours,in fact worse than ours before there new ground.Brighton are a perfect example of why we need a new ground ASAP. Wow bit of an over-reaction perhaps? You're right their attendances most recently in L1 were around 12k on average, my apologies. Nevertheless I still believe Brighton to be a bigger club than us. They don't really have to share their fanbase whereas I'd say more than half of Bristol are either glory hunting PL fans or City fans as let's face it they've been more successful than us for decades now and they have far better facilities. I do agree though that Brighton's 3-fold/4-fold increase in attendances and success in recent years is an example of the potential we as a club also have, if given the same tools that Brighton have. Another good example is when Swansea moved from the Vetch to the Liberty, but the figures may be skewed by the fact they got promoted from L2 in their last season at the Vetch, and then did very well in L1 in their first season at the Liberty, but still their average attendance increased from about 8.5k at the Vetch to 13.7k at the Liberty in L1. I think if we moved to a new stadium and flirted with the playoffs in L1 in our first season, our attendances would probably be around the 14-15k mark on average. Similarly if we were in the Champ I think we'd get 15-18k, potentially selling out in really big fixtures. I agree with all of that. In regards to City when they were last in L1 4 years ago..?? The Ashton gate rebuild was under way so it was capped at 12k,which they were selling out. What I mean was for years after they dropped from the old Top tier to the bottom level, then spent years in L1 during the 90s and early 2000s there AVG gates were between 9k and 12k apart from the big games.The gates they get now are due to the level they are playing at,the new ground effect (which it still is) and outstanding investment - all of which we have never had! The gates they are getting now are the sort of gates either Bristol side should get at that level in a wonderful new stadium.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 14, 2019 4:51:05 GMT
They were always a L1 club until 2011 - from the early 1980's. They are pretty much the same sized club as us, but got a new ground and had good management to the prem.. They dont get me buzzed to play them... I remember playing them in 2007/8 at home when they were getting crowds of only 6k. I think you may be a tad exaggerative to say they are the same sized club as us, but I see what you're saying. Thing is yes they were getting low crowds back then but they were playing at the Withdean which was probably one of the worst grounds for football anyone has ever had in this country. Atmosphere shocking, far from the pitch, etc, and it didn't hold much more than that anyway. If they had the Amex in L1 I think they'd be getting crowds of 15-18k or so, similar to City at the original Ashton Gate. Let's not forget that Brighton had a few years in the top flight back in the early 80s so they have more history than us as well. I'm not saying we don't have similar potential but I'd say in a straight up "who's got the biggest club and biggest potential fanbase" Brighton would beat us in my opinion. City were never getting 15k - 18k weekly in L1...This stupid myth that they have been getting the crowds they get now for years wateres me off!!! In L1 they were getting an Avg 9k- 12k during a normal season,maybe higher for big games against us,Swindon, Cardiff etc.. Even before the Ashton rebuild they were never selling out at championship level. Brighton had more history than us just,but there crowds have come because of the Amex and Championship and Premiership football. Withdean was shocking,maybe worse than the Mem.But Brighton crowds were in line with ours,in fact worse than ours before there new ground.Brighton are a perfect example of why we need a new ground ASAP.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 14, 2019 1:12:58 GMT
I know they are a prem side, but I dont see the draw of them.They are normally just like Bournemouth,Huddersfield,Hull etc - L1 level Clubs. That being said,they will bring 1500 and given there in the prem we should pull a gate of between 7k- 9k.If Im off I will work I will go.👍 They’ve been either a championship or Premier league side for quite a few years , get big crowds , ok it’s not Man Utd , Chelsea or Liverpool at home but I think it’s a decent home draw v a Premier league side that we could beat. They were always a L1 club until 2011 - from the early 1980's. They are pretty much the same sized club as us, but got a new ground and had good management to the prem.. They dont get me buzzed to play them... I remember playing them in 2007/8 at home when they were getting crowds of only 6k.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 13, 2019 22:18:13 GMT
I know they are a prem side, but I dont see the draw of them.They are normally just like Bournemouth,Huddersfield,Hull etc - L1 level Clubs.
That being said,they will bring 1500 and given there in the prem we should pull a gate of between 7k- 9k.If Im off I will work I will go.👍
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Cup
Aug 13, 2019 15:06:21 GMT
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Post by Icegas on Aug 13, 2019 15:06:21 GMT
Not sure if risking him for this one is worth it. For me it’s the perfect game to try out Moore, Smith, Tomlinson and maybe give JCH 20-30 mins to ease him back in Imagine if we lost him again through injury in this game! I agree JCH needs to be eased back in. However, I would prefer he started so he came into the game following a vigorous prematch warm up. If he comes on with 20 mins to go after being sat on the bench for ages and just does the token jog up and down the touch line then he will probably be more prone to tweeting a muscle etc. I would take him off at half time and give Moore a run. I'd also give TN a full game to hopefully get him off the mark. Id keep experimental changes to a minimum but it would be good to see Tomlinson get a decent run out as from what I've heard on here he seems our most exciting young prospect(?). Hoping to get TN off the mark is like hoping that your not f**ked when a 8 mile wide asteroid enters our atmosphere and that you still have time to make a cup of tea.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 13, 2019 11:45:38 GMT
Some of mine have already been said.
Beadle at Ashton in the 1-1.
Sammy at Wembley.
Lambert against City.
Lee mansell pen wembley.
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But I would go for Jason Roberts strike at the MEM to beat City 2-0.
Or Barry Hayles header against Brentford in the 85th? Min to make the playoffs when we were down to 10 men.I remember the pitch madness like yesterday.lol
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Post by Icegas on Aug 13, 2019 2:49:11 GMT
To be honest he has had the whole summer and doesn't seem to have addressed ANY of the problems that were glaringly obvious last season. Thats my issue. I know he had to replace Locks and the GK,which he seems to have done.But take JCH out and we are the same poor - no Im sorry...sh**e side going forward that we were in our final game in May. JCH is far from proven btw..and how does anything in his career before joining us prove that earlier this year was anything but a purple patch for him? - I dont think it was for the record, and he is the real deal,but still? Our attacking side of the team was why we were struggling,and DC got sacked.For GC not to address this as his 1st,and main area to improve this summer is crimial and will be the reason we could go down, and he loses his job if that happens. What in the first two games suggests otherwise? No width or creative play in midfield, and a shocking TN STILL STARTING UP FRONT - says Im sadly right.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 12, 2019 21:31:00 GMT
I live just off Station Rd Kingswood below Rodway hill.Went for a walk earlier and passed Cossham street.Ive lived around here for years and thought many times have we ever looked into buying that land around there and Cleeve Rugby club? There are two big fields next to either ground and you could easliy build a ground for 25k- 30k if not bigger given its foot print.
I guess it would be a problem due to the roads around there? Im not saying this is an option,but cant remember if this has ever been talked about given that its in Gas heartland.
The best options for a new stadium for us would be - in dreamland.
1) Buying back Eastville. 2) Fruit market.(Prefect for a new build) 3) Developing the Mem.
Just wondering if its ever been talked about.
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Plan B?
Aug 12, 2019 13:14:07 GMT
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Post by Icegas on Aug 12, 2019 13:14:07 GMT
DC in his first 3 seasons always had a plan B but he developed the squad for himself to do that. I remember a game at Carlise in our last promotion season where he made two subs in the opening 20mins due to us being 1-0 down.Think we lost 3-2 tho.😂 Was there.Snakey and Billy Bob.Great goals.Rory Gaffers played on the wing.Think you mean Carlisle by the way. "L"
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Plan B?
Aug 12, 2019 11:06:46 GMT
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Post by Icegas on Aug 12, 2019 11:06:46 GMT
DC in his first 3 seasons always had a plan B but he developed the squad for himself to do that.
I remember a game at Carlise in our last promotion season where he made two subs in the opening 20mins due to us being 1-0 down.Think we lost 3-2 tho.😂
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Post by Icegas on Aug 11, 2019 21:23:31 GMT
I agree. I was shocked that the gate was only 7600 yesterday when normally it would had been 9k- 10k. Ok weather and a lack of attacking signings played its part, but if I had gone yesterday I would had turned up to the ground at 2:45pm and joined the que to pay on the gate.Even tho Ive used the new system 5/10 times last year I forgot until seeing this thread that its ticket only. Surely a card payment/contactless option could be added on the gate if the club no longer wanted to use cash? If so that gate yesterday would had been at least 500 higher. I can't see how yesterday's gate would have been 500 higher if we'd had pay on the day, when fans have had 3 months to decide whether to go or not. Perhaps the low attendance will make the BoD wake up and realise attendances will soon be into the low 6,000's if we don't start winning games at the Mem. Fans arent going to travel for miles to the Mem to buy a ticket for Wycombe at home if they know they can get one on the day.It put's people off standing for 20 mins (Ive seen this last season) to get a ticket to a game where we a year before it took only mins to go thru the turnstyles. We had at least a 1000 off yesterdays gate due to the weather,last weeks result,summer transfers and the ticket system. I think 500 due to the weather plus ques for tickets alone.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 11, 2019 20:47:25 GMT
I’ve read a lot about why the crowd was down yesterday and the answer was simple. By removing pay on the turnstile you will lose 10-15% of your match day attendance. I have seen it horse race meetings around the country. Not everyone is computer savvy or has a printer to print home or lives within a short drive to the ground to buy in the shop. Bring back pay on the day at the turnstile ASAP. I agree. I was shocked that the gate was only 7600 yesterday when normally it would had been 9k- 10k. Ok weather and a lack of attacking signings played its part, but if I had gone yesterday I would had turned up to the ground at 2:45pm and joined the que to pay on the gate.Even tho Ive used the new system 5/10 times last year I forgot until seeing this thread that its ticket only. Surely a card payment/contactless option could be added on the gate if the club no longer wanted to use cash? If so that gate yesterday would had been at least 500 higher.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 11, 2019 13:22:13 GMT
To me we are a relegation side.
GC has done a decent job replacing the defenders and GK we lost in the summer.But we are hoping that any width we get this season will come from Little and THD.Both are great when fit, but we will be lucky if we get 20- 30 games between the pair due to there injury records.
Why TN is still starting at this football club? It's embarrassing.Tom himself must feel that himself.We have had players score goals for this club over the years like Paul Tait, sergio ommel, even Ellis Harrison that were knocked far more than Tom yet they did there job,score goals!!!
Im not saying Tom cant play are role at this club,but its a joke that he is starting for the 3rd season as the main striker given his awlful (being very..very nice there) scoring record.
Our midfield is awlful...Just awlful.Playing 3 DCM at home to wycombe - WTF!! We have no creative players in our midfield.Rodman is meh,Bennett meh...meh. Dont know whats wrong with Liam Sercombe.2 years ago he looked like a championship player,now looks a bang on AVG L2 player.
Not being negative,or getting on Cogs back but we look a really bad side and I think we are going to have a fight to stay up,which is not good enough.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 10, 2019 21:03:08 GMT
I dont give a sh**e what anyone says,offensive investment was where we needed most this summmer.Period.No debate.Or talking about it.
Today showed why we are in a worse position than in may.Any why JCH wont save us this year.
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