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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 5, 2017 20:56:16 GMT
For the love of god stop these embarrassing posts ! We are miles behind them in every way and always have been. Let's not forget we've been ran like a Bloody Sunday league team for god knows how long and it's only been until recently that we've witnessed small changes for the better. We were playing non league football not so long ago , they say we are the gift that keeps giving and with sh** posts like this and the bollox posted on here about some disabled bloke getting a kicking by their supporters sometimes I think they've got a valid point ! I never made a comment on that story because who am I to say whether it is true or not? But one way or the other its pretty poor. If it's true, then it's not just for Bristol City to take action but the police should've been involved and the offender should be prosecuted. If it's not true, then it's an absolute shocker of a story to make up. Making up a completely false story to make the sh1t look bad is pretty sad, but to make up that a disabled person had teeth knocked out is just a different level and quite frankly embarrassing.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 5, 2017 20:10:49 GMT
Possibly slightly optimistic and hopeful , but does anyone think Fraizer Campbell would drop to League One? I reckon he has the potential to make a James Vaughan type of impact at this level. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraizer_CampbellI think he would be a class act at this level but I'd be surprised if he didn't go to a Championship club.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 5, 2017 10:14:07 GMT
Craig MacGillivray [Walsall - Shrewsbury] Free Have Walsall got any keepers left? Bit like us. I don't think they'll be short of a nickel or two if Deeney moves to West Brom. Apparently they have a 20% sell on clause that could bag them £4m.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 5, 2017 8:28:06 GMT
Its definitely a good idea however last season I believe they only played 12 league games over the whole season (less than 2 a month!) along with a few Glos Cup games and some friendlies dotted around. They have there own management and medical team and we seem to be actively signing players for this team so surely they must play more games than that to make it worthwhile? If we need to call on any of them in the first team then we want them match fit I'd have thought. Yes I agree that wouldn't seem worthwhile. The league they played in also seemed to be a sort of local, friendly, uncompetitive league although I may be wrong about this. Maybe the ultimate aim is to play in this league: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Professional_U23_Development_League#League_2There are a few League One teams in the lowest tier of that so I don't see why that shouldn't be the aim, especially if we plan to be playing Championship football in the near future. I assume an application has to be accepted to play in that league, so maybe they want to set up a decent team and have an impressive season this year to be accepted into it for the 18-19 season.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 4, 2017 8:48:07 GMT
"Listen" - even Taylor wouldn't be sold for £10 million - what did he eventually go for? What would you prefer DC to say? 'Yeah, Taylor's worth a lot of money, but unfortunately he's got a release clause of 350K, so if we get a bid for that amount, even from our local rivals, we'd be obliged to let him go.' This is why we don't get daily updates on the UWE. It seems that people want to be kept up to date, but then they don't want to be told anything compromising, but they want to be told all the news. But information in negotiations is compromising. Then when they are (necessarily) given misinformation, or not told the whole story, they get mad. I agree with you regarding the UWE thing. But in terms of the player valuation, surely the easiest thing to say is 'Yes we have a valuation of him and until that value is met, he won't be going anywhere.' This way it is a completely honest and open response and you're not publicly disclosing the amount you want for a player, but you're not going to end up with egg on your face either.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 4, 2017 8:12:41 GMT
It's all just presumption and assumption on our part in anycase. No one knows DC and his innder thoughts apart from him. What we choose to believe is just that, a choice. My own belief is that a team needs to spend some time together, practising and learning how the other players like to play and this is neat done in the preseason and in friendly matches in my opinion ,I don't think it will serve us well to have a lot of players turn up just prior to the season starting. The other thing is Billy Bodin, it seems talks have taken place with QPR, for Lumley with BB going the other way plus possibly one of their young strikers coming on loan or permanently, if you believe the rumours sites What "rumours" sites as nobody else has mentioned that on here before with any conviction? I would hope we'd tell QPR to do one rather than enter into talks. I was thinking the same regarding the rumours. I know some people have suggested that but rather as their opinion than an actual suggestion of what is happening. I'm a big believer that "every player has his price". I think its ridiculous when a club says a player is not for sale at any price, because unless if you are one of the biggest and best clubs in the world, talking about one of the best players in the world, it simply isn't true. However, if they offer a stupidly low amount at the start of discussions, then I'd turn around and say stop wasting my time!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 3, 2017 12:34:04 GMT
I think some people struggle to differentiate between whether or not they care, and whether or not they want to care. Plenty of people want to talk about them when they are failing but don't when they are doing well. And as a gashead, that's obvious. You would rather see them struggling than succeeding and therefore it is easier to talk about them when they are on a poor run. But that doesn't mean that you don't care when they are doing well, you still care very much, its just that you are waiting for a time when they are going badly again so that it is enjoyable to talk about them. edit - and just to cover myself, I'm not talking about everyone in this post. I appreciate that some people really don't give a toss what they are doing.
That's a good point. Which makes it even more strange how the teds have such a massive thread on us during a time we have enjoyed a lot of success when you look at where we were!
They have built nothing up, just been bankrolled by one of the richest guys from the area whilst still losing 13 million a year. If that makes them proud and gives them a reason to poke fun of the smaller neighbours then so be it.
I think that's because they still see as us a laughing stock due to the fact that despite all our success we are still below them and we still haven't got the ground that we have been waiting so long for and failed so many times with. They also like to poke fun at Wael for the fact that he hasn't delivered on it yet and they think that the support we show for him is blind faith. Whether they are right or not, only time will tell, we've just got to keep the faith. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 3, 2017 12:10:07 GMT
Absolutely. It does make me chuckle, when all the fans who couldn`t care less about Bristol City, instantly blow a fuse the second they`re mentioned.
In my experience the ones who moan about City being mentioned on a Rovers forum are actually the ones who care the most about them and because they are so far ahead of us cant bring themselves to discuss it.
I think some people struggle to differentiate between whether or not they care, and whether or not they want to care. Plenty of people want to talk about them when they are failing but don't when they are doing well. And as a gashead, that's obvious. You would rather see them struggling than succeeding and therefore it is easier to talk about them when they are on a poor run. But that doesn't mean that you don't care when they are doing well, you still care very much, its just that you are waiting for a time when they are going badly again so that it is enjoyable to talk about them. edit - and just to cover myself, I'm not talking about everyone in this post. I appreciate that some people really don't give a toss what they are doing.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jul 3, 2017 8:56:33 GMT
It hasn't surprised me that BB has got the reaction from the majority that he has but I think its a reasonable debate.
I think a big part of being "bigger" also has a lot to do with history. They are historically a team between tier 2 and 3 and have had the odd spell in the top tier. Whereas we are historically a tier 3 team and have had the odd spell in the second tier. So, as gashead79 said, even if we were to go past them in the league it would take a long time to become "bigger" than them because it takes a long time for the present to become history. They are ahead of us in terms of finances, facilities, fan base, league position and history. For all of this to change, we would probably have to be above them in the league for as long as 15-20 years.
I think the point that people are missing though is, do we really want to be bigger than them? Bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. Everyone loves an underdog and I personally like being a "smaller" club than them. This way, its sort of like it can only get better. They thought we were dead and buried as a club three years ago, and now we are fighting back and the "huge gap" that they are talking about is closing more and more year on year. They enjoy laughing at how tinpot we are and let them do it. It is just expected that they are a better club than us, that they'll beat us when we come to play eachother and that they'll always finish above us. But at some point in the (hopefully near) future, we will beat them and we will finish above them, and when we do its going to be so satisfying for ragbag Rovers.
Until then, enjoy the ride, and laugh along with them at what a state we are. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 30, 2017 13:24:03 GMT
Am I the only person who is actually excited about the next few weeks? Signing players is always an exciting time, and the fact that we have only made one signing and have such a small squad at the minute means that we are guaranteed a number of signings in the next few weeks. Whether DC gets his 10 or not, lets face it, we are not going to go into the first game of the season in 5 weeks time without making at least 6(??) signings, so I'm looking forward to it and I'm going to enjoy the ride. In DC we trust. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 30, 2017 11:01:52 GMT
Have they got rid of the rule about L1 and L2 teams making changes too many changes to their sides? That was the most ridiculous thing of it all. Punishing teams for playing their young English talent in a competition that's supposed to promote young English talent.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 29, 2017 11:23:54 GMT
Unfortunately there wasn't a 'when we get an offer rejected for Luke James' option. Otherwise I think that could've been the winner
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 29, 2017 7:21:31 GMT
We wouldn't want Suarez either then. Or Zidane or Voller and Rikyaard. I agree. They were the sort of money grabbing has-beens we signed a few years ago. Thank God for DC!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 28, 2017 16:18:50 GMT
I'll put it in more simple terms If we have a top 6 budget then our targets should and would have to have the ability to compete with teams in the top 6 which James clearly doesn't given by what we saw of him last season. My analysis of him as a player yes he has certain amount of skill and can cause problems in the box but watching him he's very light weight and was easy to dispossess against strong defenders his hold up play is very poor. Top 6 league 1 player top 6 league 2 player possibly Top 6 National league Player yes deffo Even if you have a top 6 budget, it doesn't mean you can go and sign 25 players with top 6 quality. You need to sign probably 12-15 players with top 6 quality and the rest need to be squad players. These squad players need to be handy (they're unlikely to be amazing) when called upon, have the right attitude so they don't upset the happiness of the squad and ideally be cheap options (which for all we know LJ may or may not be). This means that you can spend as much of your budget as possible on the real quality to get you promotion. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 28, 2017 13:42:13 GMT
The thing I struggle to believe the most, isn't that we bid for Luke James (which is astonishing enough), it's that Posh turned down a bid for him?!?! Surely even if we offered a quid they'd have bitten our hands off? I was thinking the exact same. There won't be many clubs willing to take his wages off them if they look at his goalscoring stats for the last few years, even if its on a free transfer. I was thinking they'd just be relieved to get him off their wage bill.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 28, 2017 12:42:25 GMT
Happy to see Ellis stay. I wanted rid of him after relegation to the conference but DC seems to have really turned him around so credit to both of them. I'm surprised Ellis wants to stay though as most players crave first team action and DC uses Ellis from the bench quite a lot. Just thought Ellis might look elsewhere to get a walk-up start every game somewhere. I think you're right about DC turning him around. I think if he's ever going to reach his potential it'll be here rather than elsewhere, as a manager with less man-management skills with DC will probably mean Ellis goes off the rails. I think if we had've released him following our relegation and DC didn't sort his head out, Ellis would be rotting away in the Evo-Stik league now.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 28, 2017 11:26:33 GMT
I think midfield is the position we least need a signing in (except may be right back). We already have 4 players to fill 2 roles and I think all four are capable. I think if we sign a 5th midfielder, it will be a young loanee who costs us naff all and will only be used in a crisis. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 28, 2017 10:09:06 GMT
I do wonder what sort of contract we actually offered him, whether it was one that we actually wanted him to sign or just matched last year's deal so that we could get a fee for him when he leaves. Not like he done enough to warrant an improved contract though Possibly not. But with the club moving forward and players expected to do the same, they might start to expect a better wage. Anyway, I was more just making the point of whether or not DC does actually want him or just wants to make sure he gets a fee for him.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 28, 2017 10:01:58 GMT
I do wonder what sort of contract we actually offered him, whether it was one that we actually wanted him to sign or just matched last year's deal so that we could get a fee for him when he leaves.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jun 27, 2017 13:01:50 GMT
Marcus has worked with him in the past, so will know him better than the experts on here, who are saying we can do better. Still only 23, a similar age to Taylor was when we signed him and he has had a lot more success than Taylor did before we signed him. Experience at this level and is at the right age to be developed. Can do a lot worse as one of our options. Spot on. 10 goals last year at this level is not bad for a 23 year old who should only get better. If DC and MS can work their magic and make him reach his potential, he could be an excellent signing.
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