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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 21, 2017 8:02:08 GMT
It has been discussed recently that our average attendances are over 2000 more than the last time we were in League One. I'm sure this is partly down to the success in the last couple of years and the excitement around the place of where the club is heading.
But I'm also sure that things like this must make a real difference. Having such a fantastic group of players and backroom staff that are always willing to give their time to the fans, in particular kids, is something that must have a big effect on them if they are just starting out as football fans and should help increase the numbers on side for years to come. Well done Wael, SH, DC and the club. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 20, 2017 13:11:45 GMT
Who needs a regular scoring glory hunter eh? Another one in the mold of the Snake and would do the exact same thing if offered Bit harsh. What's that comment based on?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 20, 2017 8:41:24 GMT
Bad decisions have cost us. DC constantly mentions the players poor decision making on the final thrid following matches. However, he makes some very poor decisions too. On the instances when we have gone down to ten men (Millwall and Bury) he has tried to win the games when in reality, 1 point would have been good enough. This is not even talking with hind-sight, just comon sense. Small margins are indeed what separates the top teams. DC is still learning, and hopefully will realise that sometimes 1 point is better than none. I think anyone can see that one point is better than none. But if you've got a 50/50 chance of winning the game, then winning half of them and losing half of them puts you in a better position than drawing all of them. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 20, 2017 8:04:31 GMT
I don't think anyone is having a go at Ellis for his celebration, just asking if there was a reason behind it. All the players ran to SY so it would appear that there was a reason. A bit like how all the players ran to DC when Hartley scored at Chesterfield and nobody really knew why at the time. As it turned out, there was a very good reason for it. UTG! Why then was the thread titled 'Ellis Harrison'? why not 'Saturday goal celebration' ? My guess is that if Ellis had not been involved nobody would have given it second though. Perhaps you're right and the thread title should've been different so it seemed more about the celebration than EH. But I don't think anyone was using it to have a dig at Ellis. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 20, 2017 8:02:03 GMT
I can't recall many of us ever being critical of OC for apparent lack of effort in the past? Regardless it doesn't really matter what we think as it's now down to DC to offer him a new contract and EH to then sign it. Although who's actually criticising him for running to SY? It was a fairly unusual reaction from EH, so what's the harm in wanting to know why he did it? I am not saying people criticised Ollie for a lack of effort, only that he was inconsistent and 6 months ago many wouldn't have said he would be an important part of, and some would have released him.
As for it being an unusual reaction. yes it was different, but I don't see why celebrating with the management has to be queried. Maybe it was personal, maybe he just wanted to thank someone who stood by him. I mean why would he want to celebrate with a load of fans that were probably slagging him off for being 'lazy' for 70 mins
People are just simply asking the question. If its personal or confidential or whatever then it should remain that why but there's nothing wrong with being a little curious. Like I say the celebration with DC at Chesterfield was very similar and everyone said how great it was that the team ran to DC on what must've been a tough day for him because it showed how close the group are. I think people probably just assumed this would be a similar thing and put it up for a discussion. If not, then its not a problem but there's no harm in asking is there?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 19, 2017 12:40:31 GMT
A couple things: 1) what was the celebration about? Seemed very important to Elis to celebrate- I think with the dugout... does anyone know why this was? 2) Fairplay to him. I struggle with Elis. I thought he was a having a mare on Monday- but he stuck at it, worked himself into the game, got a goal and stopped a shot that likely could have been destined for the net. This season he has shown greater maturity. He's now works hard for the team and has a chance of making it. Finally, if Elis is to kick on- I think he should 'charge' to the penalty box more often. He's bringing people into play, and then semi following the ball to make an angle for the return. Hard to criticise that. More and more he's winning the ball with ease and it's good that he wants to help team mates. But... we need someone in the box- after Hartley, he's possibly our best headerer of a football. If he can keep doing the first bit but then seek the box he'll quickly find himself scoring. People have mentioned that MS said that he is very much a confidence player. Which would explain why when he is good, he is very good and when he is bad, he is very bad. He has probably come in for some harsh criticism over the last few years which he has mainly brought on himself. But maybe if the fanbase wasn't so harsh on him and didn't jump on his back as soon as he does something wrong, then we would see much more consistent performances from him. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 19, 2017 12:29:41 GMT
Seems a tad strange at a nothing match if no personal reasons were involved. Could have done with some of that togetherness at most away games we have limped out of and there might well have been something to celebrate. maybe, but why do people have to find an angle with everything? or are people upset that Ellis didn't rip his shirt off and jump in the Blackthorn end and think he is deliberately spiting them or something. The kid can't fecking winI don't think anyone is having a go at Ellis for his celebration, just asking if there was a reason behind it. All the players ran to SY so it would appear that there was a reason. A bit like how all the players ran to DC when Hartley scored at Chesterfield and nobody really knew why at the time. As it turned out, there was a very good reason for it. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 18, 2017 8:43:15 GMT
Does anyone know why Ellis and the others went over to hug Steve Yates after the goal? I was about to ask the same thing. There seems to be some sentiment behind it rather than it just being a celebration?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 14, 2017 13:10:36 GMT
A left footer playing right back? Would we not be better off with Lockyer playing there seen as that's where he spent the whole Conference season?
Can only assume Partington isn't fully fit. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 12, 2017 14:15:59 GMT
Sinclair the biggest unknown by far. Only 15% of people got that right haha
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 12, 2017 12:58:59 GMT
Debt isn't always seen as a negative thing in business. Obviously if it's unmanageable and unsustainable then it can be very dangerous. But you often have to have some form of debt to move forward. Every time you make an investment with a loan it is a risk, but risks often have to be taken to be successful. If we were to get promoted to the Championship, then a £10 million debt wouldn't seem that much because our revenue would increase and we could have it paid off within a few years. Likewise if we get the new stadium and end up being profitable.
Obviously the risk could also not pay off and we could end up like Coventry/Leyton Orient. But at least now we look like we are going places whereas a few years ago we were building up debt at the same time as being a struggling League Two side followed by relegation to the Conference. I'm sure if we were to get promoted there would be a few teams around envious of our recent success, growth and the position of our football club. There wouldn't be too many teams looking at us and going, 'Thank God we're not like Bristol Rovers with £10m worth of debt'. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 12, 2017 10:25:23 GMT
Digressing slightly from the previous posts but in some ways relevant. I will be disappointed if the Manager says next season that he is still operating on a bottom eight playing budget if we are still in this division - not sure he will say it again though. We are now an established 1st Division Club and It would demonstrate to me that there is a level of real commitment by the board if we are able to attract good players to the club on a permanent rather than on a loan basis. I really feel we need to identify with our own players rather than players (however good/or bad) that we know will be moving on in the short term. However good or bad the infrastructure is, the attraction every week is what is seen on the pitch so whilst the investment off the pitch is good to see - I feel we need to see investment on it as well. Sadly I'm not sure its going to happen at the moment - I hope I'm wrong. I would be surprised if we haven't spent well under our budget this season for these reasons: 1.) Money from the Chelsea game (£250k for a guess) 2.) £300k from MT 3.) Our wage bill will have gone down in January. More players left than joined including our top earner. I can't imagine any of our January savings will be on big wages. I would be surprised if we're not at least £500k better off in our playing budget than we expected to be. Hopefully that extra £500k will be used for players, not necessarily transfer fees, but it would mean an extra £10k per week in the wage budget next season which could get you two or three good players at this level. UTG! Edit: Just to clarify, this is all complete guesswork and opinions, anyone who can correct me or disagree with me on this is more than welcome to.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 12, 2017 8:11:32 GMT
I'm sure there will be trouble there for the people who want it like there would be at most games. But I can't imagine they're going to go round fighting with every Tom, Dick and Harry for the sake of it.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 11, 2017 15:20:18 GMT
I could see that the Posh ST holders would be pi**ed off with being asked to move their seat but I have to say fair play to the club. At least they are willing to make an effort to try and make space available for a big away following unlike most clubs and they are getting it sorted in advance. If we do take a big following because it is going to be a big game, at least we know where we'll stand with tickets and there won't be the same farce there is at other clubs sorting things out at the last minute (if at all). Well done Posh!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 11, 2017 14:19:16 GMT
If our playoff hopes are over by then we'll probably only take about 1000 and then it would look a bit ridiculous. If we are in with a shout of making it then 3000+ could be a reasonable guess. We live in hope. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 10, 2017 18:30:14 GMT
On the bench tonight after being recalled from Luton.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 10, 2017 10:25:06 GMT
Dear all, these accounts are a year out of date and represent the final year of terrible financial management of the club by the old regime. Lets be calm and wait for next years accounts which will show a much bigger income and a much smaller loss. It will also be clearer as to what the board are doing with our debt. Lets not forget there are compelxities with paying the club large sums due to financial fair play. I have total faith in the board at the moment as we are seeing success on the pitch, investment in footballing structures and also a big boost in attendances. We are heading upwards and no longer hve Tony the till ballsing up the financial planning to worry about. Whether they wipe the debt overnight or park it in an interest free place whilst we sell the Mem its a hell of a lot better then the wonga lon we had. Up the gas Not sure you're right to be honest. If we believe what our Chairman is effectively saying and we are roughly 6k down on attendance figures per match to break even - this equates to roughly £3.5m per season. Next seasons accounts will presumably reflect this and the overall 'debt' will likely increase to nearer £12m. How can the debt reduce if the main revenue stream has such a big shortfall. Also many of the players had salaries/contracts that reflected the Conference/2nd Division they played in. DC will be rebuilding a new squad with new players expecting salaries significantly higher than what was being paid a couple of years ago - we cannot expect IMO to push forward by continually recruiting players from lower divisions - this is why the club tends to recruit so many young inexperienced loan players - some come off and some fail. Fortunately we got very lucky with just two loans - without these two we could have been in real trouble at the wrong end of the table. I think its a bit negative to call them lucky. People blamed DC's poor recruitment when the loans in the first half of the season didn't come off, so he deserves credit when the couple he signed in January have been superb. UTG!
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 10, 2017 8:37:25 GMT
Had both been Rovers players since August then I genuinely believe we'd be a top 3 side. Absolute heroes, the pair of them. Yeah have to agree with you there, the two big defeats against charlton and the millwall game have probably cost us a top six finish, but im happy to be looking up instead of down after what seems like years fighting relegation, well pleased to finish top ten or higher. UTG I think losing away at places like Coventry, Chesterfield and Shrewsbury as well as both Charlton results is unfortunately whats cost us.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 8, 2017 14:04:41 GMT
Says BBB on sky sports
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 8, 2017 11:54:17 GMT
Looking at the FGR figures - more money than sense springs to mind! " Forest Green Rovers spent a staggering £174,613 on intermediary and agents' fees between February 2, 2016 and January 31, 2017.
The figure, published by the Football Association, is far more than the other 23 National League clubs put together (£96,449) and higher than all but five clubs in League One. The second highest in the National League was Wrexham, who spent £26,032, with current leaders Lincoln City paying out £24,652." As I understand it, the bulk of these figures are based on how much teams clubs spend on transfer fees, with agents receiving a percentage. So if we win the lottery, and blow it all on players, we'll also be lining the pockets of these leeches. Best to sign good players on free transfers and turn them into better ones IMO, rather that blowing a load of money on transfer fees and agent's wages. The money is rarely well spent. Even out of contract players have agents though. In fact agents will prefer it if their players are free transfers because it means clubs will be willing to pay them more instead of the money going on a transfer fee.
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