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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 17:41:23 GMT
Do you not think the club didn't consider all possibility's before appointing him ? seems to be a few on here that wont give him a chance, but I think Joey is here to stay until xmas at least and if we are anywhere near the play offs, he will see out the season. Season ticket sells already around 2,000 following relegation shows a lot of people are behind him. blueginger, you do pretty tasty curries!
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 17:02:18 GMT
Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. P.S. it's easy to say it's "constant sniping" but unfortunately the regularity with which JB comes out with unorthodox and IMO unprofessional rants, plus our regular losing habit, made it more difficult not to express negative sentiments at similar intervals. We haven't lost this week and I can't recall Barton saying anything at all let alone anything controversial but the sniping is still continuing, certain fans won't be happy until he's sacked and we have another no hope like Hargreaves put in charge. Why can't they just wait and see what players Barton brings on this summer rather than continually starting pointless threads. You're right about us not having lost in the last week. We did have the story about his comments being taken down from the club website, but that was about it. I for one am feeling slightly more relaxed about the situation now that the dust is settling on our relegation, and I hope not to have to "snipe" again. This would mean that there are no more rants and that we are moving on and into a more successful period. I'd suggest that that's what we all want.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:46:24 GMT
Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. I'm not aware of anyone saying you have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable, but it does get a bit tiresome and tedious when the same old arguments pollute every other thread. Just my opinion of course. That's fair, but I think we wouldn't be at such odds if those of us that have voiced our concerns and criticisms weren't simply labelled as "anti-Barton" or "Barton haters" because that label does not reflect how I feel about him There's a lot about him that I like, I'm happy to come out and say that, and I'm absolutely not a Barton hater at all. I just disagree with some of the things he comes out with publicly and I believe they paint himself and the club in a negative light. That doesn't mean he's the devil incarnate, far from it.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:36:36 GMT
I've said it, Wareham and orgasmic have said it, aghast has said it, and I'm sure others have also said it on this very thread - just because we have found fault and criticised his results and methods, doesn't mean we're not happy to give him the chance this summer and into next season. I'm not sure why many of those that haven't criticised him (which you're perfectly entitled not to) aren't accepting that? You can say it as many times as you like, but the constant sniping gives a different impression. Well that's your opinion but I can assure you I do not want him sacked, and I absolutely want him to succeed. But that doesn't mean I have to silently and meekly accept that everything he has done and said in the last couple of months has been acceptable. P.S. it's easy to say it's "constant sniping" but unfortunately the regularity with which JB comes out with unorthodox and IMO unprofessional rants, plus our regular losing habit, made it more difficult not to express negative sentiments at similar intervals.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:32:51 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. A lot of noise from the vocal minority repeating the same old guff in numerous different threads, but I'd suggest the silent majority understand the problems Barton inherited and are willing to give him the chance to turn things around. View Attachment I've said it, Wareham and orgasmic have said it, aghast has said it, and I'm sure others have also said it on this very thread - just because we have found fault and criticised his results and methods, doesn't mean we're not happy to give him the chance this summer and into next season. I'm not sure why many of those that haven't criticised him (which you're perfectly entitled not to) aren't accepting that?
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:30:14 GMT
It’s quite sad to see how much this continues to divide the fan base, one of the reasons why I was against appointing Barton in the first place. That was the only reason I was concerned over his appointment initially. It is sad to see and without doubt it has been more divisive than most other managers.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:14:20 GMT
We took risks then, we speculated to accumulate, some of our biggest transfers such as Tillson and Hayles paid off spectacularly. Sometimes you’ve got to take a chance and play a fairly large up front fee, to prise decent players away from other clubs and get good resale value when they perform. Nowadays we seem to have a lot of signings where we pinch players in the same league away on frees, sometimes this works but a lot of time we’ve ended up with a lot of mediocrity or worse with the likes of Upson, Westbrooke, Ehmer, Baldwin, Hanlan and so on. The clubs that lost these players replaced them fairly easily and weren’t terribly sorry to see them leave. Would like for us to be braver, we’d never dream other taking another striker in our league for one million, but a similar sized club in Posh did and they are talking about recouping 8 million if they even decide to sell. This. Posh might spend big sometimes, but they bring in much bigger and offset the fees on their successful players but also cover their losses on the occasional duds.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 13:03:44 GMT
I hope the Barton haters are prepared to eat Humble Pie if the club wins promotion. Probably be total silence if the man is very successful. That’s just a bit daft. These “Barton haters” are BRFC fans who just have a different opinion than perhaps you do. And many of these people are not as you’ve characterised them but are fans who have stated that they will give him a chance and hope he does create a team we can be proud of but are seriously baffled by the lack of criticism JB has got when he took over in February, clear of the relegation zone. His results have been awful and if you can’t see that, others can. But, to be clear, many of us who’ve questioned his methods will be delighted if he creates a team who excite, have a decent season next year and play on the front foot. Many of these posters have gone out of their way to say he shouldn’t be sacked and will support him but will continue to question his methods. Anything else would be sycophantic. To say we hope he fails is just plain wrong and leads to an unnecessary division in gasheads. UTG! Thank you wareham, 100% agree with this. It's a shame that criticism is just seen by others as an attack without substantiation, and that some can't see that we actually are willing to give him a chance and hopeful that he brings success. We'd be mad to begrudge any Gas manager success, as we wouldn't be fans otherwise.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:47:18 GMT
Mmm, the question asked is indeed a difficult one to answer in a positive way. I will always support who ever is manager of our club and that simply is why i support JB. Whether i support the manager is not the question though , the question is 'what has he done to justify my positive view of him?' I am quite shocked JB was unable to save us from the drop , but it confirmed what was becoming increasingly obvious, that despite the protestations of some of the coaching staff and board members , the squad were just not good enough. This was not JB s fault , nor PTs though the latter could and should have done something about it in the Jan window. We were all excited pre-season about the new players, the behind the scenes changes of personnel whether coaches, medics , tea lady's and all which brings me to 'What has JB done to inspire loyalty from fans in the face of an awful playing record?' The answer ,for many, is that he has not been afraid to ask some awkward questions of players, coaches, medics , whatever, even board members and the answers are not what he expected from a club who aspire have a championship team. Having discovered the malaise affecting the club he is taking steps to remove the causes and is about to get this very sick patient on the road to recovery so we have a bright future to look forward to. Had JB not been appointed we may well have carried on in the same vein, thinking every thing behind the scenes was hunky dory. So JB has examined the patient, diagnosed the causes of the ailment and now we can recover. His bed side manner is not to every ones liking and i wish he was a little more diplomatic but it takes all sorts, i hope he has made the right diagnosis and prescribed the right treatment if so he will be a hero next season , if not he will be 'struck' off! I wish him well, up the Rovers ! Good post halifax.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:45:45 GMT
Most of my posts about him were positive until his rant about Ehmer which had my alarm bells ringing, and frankly since then what has there been that's positive? The retention list was a start, not sure why we really need three anti Barton threads today when basically nothings changed today. What are all these posters going to do come August if we start off well, pretend they supported JB all along? To be fair I do completely agree that 3 threads on essentially the same topic is overkill. I might be critical, but I'm not strictly "anti-Barton".
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:42:53 GMT
Most of my posts about him were positive until his rant about Ehmer which had my alarm bells ringing, and frankly since then what has there been that's positive? The retention list was a start, not sure why we really need three anti Barton threads today when basically nothings changed today. What are all these posters going to do come August if we start off well, pretend they supported JB all along? I can promise you Topper, that if we succeed under Barton, I will be delighted and I will happily admit that I was critical of him in our run in. That won't change, because I genuinely just don't agree with some of the ways he goes about his business in the press, and I don't believe he did a good job in attempting to keep us up. Still, if he can turn us around and nip the rants in the bud, I will be thrilled.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:29:39 GMT
OK, perhaps in general non-Barton related stuff fine, but in this particularly case you said you post in balance, and then followed that up by saying there are two schools of thought, "pro Barton" and "anti Barton". I'm saying that it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. Not as far as I'm concerned anyway.When did you last post anything positive about Barton, everything i recall reading has been negative about him? JB's clearly a marmite character but I can't see why we need so many anti-Barton threads started on a daily basis, there's been 3 today alone, with even the mods now starting them, it's not as if Gaschat members have any say in whether Wael continues to employ Barton or not If he's sacked tomorrow we'll just support his replacement, if he's still here in August we'll support him unless it becomes clear he's out of his depth. Most of my posts about him were positive until his rant about Ehmer which had my alarm bells ringing, and frankly since then what has there been that's positive? Edit: I particularly liked his way of integrating with the fans when he first arrived. The tweet with his kids in Gas shirts was a really nice moment as I recall. Sadly his rants really put a downer on it and I now am definitely more negative about him than positive. I actually think he let himself down as he's not a bad bloke or even a bad manager. He's just made a lot of mistakes with us so far. He's not a lost cause for me though and I really hope he turns us around.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 20:04:47 GMT
The statement in bold somewhat negates your second sentence, would you agree? How about the other school of thought that I am in, which is neither pro nor anti Barton. Simply looking at his performance as manager without prejudice and making an objective assessment of it, finding serious faults, but still willing to accept that he deserves the summer to sort it out. NO I don't agree! OK, perhaps in general non-Barton related stuff fine, but in this particularly case you said you post in balance, and then followed that up by saying there are two schools of thought, "pro Barton" and "anti Barton". I'm saying that it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. Not as far as I'm concerned anyway.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 19:55:10 GMT
Complete nonsense. I didn't care one bit about his past, in fact I was really excited for the future after his first few interviews. His infectious enthusiasm and energy was great, and he seems to have a wicked sense of humour. I like all that. My criticisms of him are purely based on his performance as our manager so far, and his rants while he has been manager. Nothing at all (zilch) to do with his past. That’s fair enough results have not been great to be fair. By the way I’m not a Wum I just read the forum before and not posted. I’ve been a fan since 80s and on the forums since the days there were Tobago gas and some Oxford fan who posted more than rovers ones and gashead Wes used to stalk celebrity sex offenders ha ha did cliff Richards lawyers ever catch up with you Wes Apologies for insinuating you might be a WUM, my bad.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 19:54:02 GMT
Read my response to worrellsterlingalbion and you'll see that it's more balanced than that. Seems typical of your posting style, only thinking in extremes. I'm hurting like all gasheads. My posting style is certainly not in extremes, I would consider myself to be a very balanced poster and always have been and I know for sure that the majority on here would agree with me. There are obviously two schools of thought on here, Pro or anti Barton, unfortunately in my opinion the anti Barton group appear to want to keep ramming it down everyone else's throat on a continuous basis.Like any gashead with any sense I realised in his first season Garner was not a manager and going into this season with such an unbalanced squad further enhanced that feeling. Long before Barton arrived I said we would go down and the reasons why we went down are clearly obvious and imho no manager could have saved us. It's happened now, I have accepted it and am happy to let Joey give it his best shot next season. It's as simple as that! The statement in bold somewhat negates your second sentence, would you agree? How about the other school of thought that I am in, which is neither pro nor anti Barton. Simply looking at his performance as manager without prejudice and making an objective assessment of it, finding serious faults, but still willing to accept that he deserves the summer to sort it out.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 19:50:36 GMT
Shut this thread down more Barton haters around I despair at times who ever is manager 4 Christ sake support the club Preconceptions alan he’s beaten up a few people and that doesn’t make him a bad manager people need to give him a chance. He’s been ok here and apart from results has done a good job I mean they’ve played better and he’s given them a kick up the Jack see which will benefit the long run Complete nonsense. I didn't care one bit about his past, in fact I was really excited for the future after his first few interviews. His infectious enthusiasm and energy was great, and he seems to have a wicked sense of humour. I like all that. My criticisms of him are purely based on his performance as our manager so far, and his rants while he has been manager. Nothing at all (zilch) to do with his past.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 19:44:11 GMT
You could of put money on that comment coming up. Ironically yes, because Mr Bananas is a bit of a pro at betting if I rightly rightly?
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 19:41:58 GMT
Genuine question to those who back him. Ignoring the negatives about results, relegation, reputation, negative press conferences, criticism of predecessors etc etc. We've been over all that. I'm genuinely mystified why people think he's the new Messiah. So, listing positives only, if possible, what has he done for the club? Not what he might do. Anyone in theory could be a good manager. It's a science, an art and a bit of luck. What has he done to date which is positive and helps the club going forwards? Acquaducts ? Sanitation Roads?
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 19:31:53 GMT
Sorry I made my point badly I mean he identified the flaws and called out those responsible for our relegation which is good management not just accepting what’s in front of him Your wasting your time, it's just a Barton bashing thread. Read my response to worrellsterlingalbion and you'll see that it's more balanced than that. Seems typical of your posting style, only thinking in extremes.
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Post by Jomo on May 14, 2021 19:30:27 GMT
Are you having a fecking laugh? Seriously!? How the hell is "calling relegation early" and saying "we're not good enough" good management? He accelerated our relegation and ensured we went down quickly and easily and without a fight. If you think that's good management then you're either a WUM or you have a screw loose. Sorry I made my point badly I mean he identified the flaws and called out those responsible for our relegation which is good management not just accepting what’s in front of him Completely disagree. Fair enough if you mean identifying flaws and making a plan of corrective action, but that's for the summer. I genuinely believe his rants in the media while we still had a chance of surviving actually did more damage in the short term and led to our collapse in the last 10 games or so of the season.
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