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Post by oldgas on Mar 27, 2021 10:18:12 GMT
Why would a child be at a protest carrying a banner with expletives on it in the first place? Come on Blueridge We cannot go around arresting people for swearing. This is becoming ridiculous Fortunately the Public Order Act, section 4/4a if memory serves decides what is acceptable language displayed in public rather than an unreformed and failed Marxist who is too frightened to attend demos and riots himself.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 27, 2021 10:15:02 GMT
Vulture capitalist Sunak thinks people will quit their jobs if they aren't allowed back to the office after lockdown lol Highly intelligent and educated, high-flying Asian gentleman thinks that Grover is a low-intelligence unreformed failed haulage contractor and Marxist, who is determined to drag everyone down to have the same low expectations from life that he has.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 26, 2021 16:30:24 GMT
Nah, I like to debate the facts and reasonable interpretations / opinions. Not some shouty rhetoric more appropriate of the 1930s. What is humorous, is the absolute anger being expressed when people like you are challenged. But it's ok, you have Oldgas, you can share a tent and shout monosyllabic tirades at each other whilst glaring at the length of people hair. In the meantime this topic is about exhausted I think. How can a tirade be monosyllabic?
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Post by oldgas on Mar 26, 2021 14:57:48 GMT
Sorry to step in between chaps, but you do understand how patronising that reads😅 Was literally going to post the same. Irony lost on some Patronising has become the haunted lefts go-to word. Ever since I called Gassy it a couple of day so ago he can’t stop using it. . One day he might even understand what it means and use it properly One can only hope.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 26, 2021 14:53:50 GMT
Don’t ask, it’s like trying to debate with a mirror image of Gassy. I was going to include the Muppet but he’s far more stupid.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 26, 2021 14:47:41 GMT
Anyone got a tractor I could borrow... The French don't mess about do they, farmers protest against unfair produce prices. OF course, once upon a time you would have been able to blockade the entire Champs d’Lysee with your fleet of lorries. But that was before you bankrupted yourself by paying you drivers £100k a year. Grover, founding member of the Muppet Marxist Massive! Ooh, me sides!
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Post by oldgas on Mar 26, 2021 14:37:39 GMT
Question - did anyone on this thread that feels so strongly about the right to protest, even during a pandemic about this particular Bill feel strongly enough to actually attend the protest or are you just supporting it from the comfort zone of your armchairs. I would, but travelling into Bristol from Gloucestershire is a bit of a water take. Anyway, I am getting a bit old for this. My last demo was 2018 in London. Oh, and the pubs are shut😂😂😂 You mean that driving from Gloucestershire to Bristol when we’re asked to stay at home is a water take, but taking part in a demo isn’t? Ha ha ha ha ha, I can just imagine his email to Marxists R Us. “Sorry I can’t be with you in Bristol to topple the Bastard Tory Government Brothers, but I don’t want to be in breach of Coved regs by making an unnecessary car journey. With you in spirit Comrades, keep the Red Flag flying” Oooh me sides!
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Post by oldgas on Mar 26, 2021 14:22:58 GMT
Aggressive? I called your question idiotic, which it is. I then posed a question that was the same level of lunacy as yours, if you found that aggressive then I guess look in the mirror. I attacked your post, not yourself, and you (as usual) got in a huff and puff and started getting personal again. I presume you don’t understand the meaning or quotation marks as I have not stated anywhere “an idiotic post and suggesting I ought to join the police force”. Old bully was in relation to your personal disgraceful attack about my work. If you want to make sexist comments as well, go ahead. Didn’t realise you were itching. And finally, don’t assume anything? After you just assumed I was unemployed? Goodness me, you literally couldn’t make it up 😂 Here we go again : never mind the semantics or sophistry - you called my question “idiotic” - a condescending adjective which was unnecessary and then reinforced it with the above post. And you expect me not to respond - you’re in dreamland if you think that. And I’m an old bully - nothing personal in that - I presume. You can have the last word as you usually do as I will not respond to your reply - I’m bored. Blueridge, I’m sure you’re aware but Gassy inhabits a parallel universe to the rest of us. In his universe the EU aren’t green with envy and spitting feathers at our vaccination success, neither are they threatening to block further exports of the vaccine to the UK, even though we pay more per dose and signed a much more thorough and binding contract with the suppliers, at least 2 months before the EU signed a much less exact and open ended contract. He also refuses to admit that Merkel and Macron have poured doubts on the effectiveness of the Oxford AZ vaccine, and then said it caused blood clots on the brain. In that way they sought to dampen down demands for the vaccine by their populations, because of course they didn’t have that much to go around. So successful was their scare-mongering they are now sitting on unused stocks estimated at between 4 and 18 million doses. Even so, to stop us getting even further ahead, they want to stop us receiving any more. This is the mind-set and mentality you’re dealing with; it really isn't worth bothering.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 26, 2021 10:04:58 GMT
My fascination and love for the Far East started when I visited Malaysia and Borneo many moons ago. Since then I've been fortunate enough to visit South Korea, stepped foot into North Korea, Japan, Hong Kong,Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. Anyway back to topic. Do I believe people have a right to demonstrate? yes to an extent. It's been said on this thread about Police cuts etc and not being in a position to Police demonstrations properly, well if members of the Great British public were able to behave France The vast majority of the attendees are genuine, there for the topic of the protest. The "infiltration" argument is overblown to justify the reactions of the "outraged of Tonbridge Wells" Thats not to deny a small minority, implacably opposed to the very structure of a free market economy, do not show up. You cannot argue for a ban on that basis. Sure, until I was about 14. Precisely. So why place a law on the Statute Book that mandates the police to do so? Not only that, but as it stands to not also clearly define what a "nuisance" entails, thus leaving the police in the invidious position of defining it in real time on the front line. Its stupid at best, authoritarian at worse. You know this to be true. Drop it and most, if not all, of this goes away. No, I dont, and I think a lot of the organisers of those demos will, have, looked back on that with some regret and would attempt to do things differently, But that does not negate their point. Speculation here France, no evidence. As was pointed out there was no spike after the main demos subsided, in fact the infection rate subsided to below 20/100,000 and pubs were opened up. It was only when the schools and Universities went back, under the chaotic direction of this government, that rates ticked up gain leading to the November "circuit breaker" and then went completely out of control again after Christmas, after the chaotic messaging and direction of....the government. I sense your anger, but I think you should direct it at the government, one whose mixed, incoherent, messaging and policies quite likely led to the deaths of thousands of people. Think about it France, this is the same government that whats introduce a law that mandates the police to arrest someone for being a nuisance. These incompetent buffoons, authoritarian buffoons, must be resisted. Oh to have Comrade Corbyn in charge! Egged on by by his brother Piers there would be no lock-downs, no PPE. We’d probably have no vaccines or immunisation programme. Who knows you might even have beenstruck down yourself but never mind. You could suffer safe in the knowledge your right to protest is enshrined.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 18:06:07 GMT
Some showing their true colours here Stuart. References to skin colour and religion. For far to many, that's what underpins their viewpoints. Don’t aim your bigoted undertones towards me there is no need. ANd if it was aimed at me I will treat it with the contempt it deserves. If that’s your attitude as far as I’m concerned i5 was better when you’d *** off.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 15:48:58 GMT
Oldgas The debate on BLM protests has been done to death. The issue is whether we should demonstrate/agitate during a lockdown. I have given my reasons why I, personally, feel this government and its base instincts need to be resisted,lockdown or no lockdown. Let's see if the committee stage review of the proposed legislation deletes/amends the overbearing, authoritarian, wording. Let’s. However and not withstanding the extended BLM debate, I have a right to answer you post, which I did. Do you agree with anything I said?
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 15:43:05 GMT
Good news that none of the police officers suffered broken bones or collapsed lungs as reported. Bad news, police were telling lies originally then? Perhaps medical assessments at the time were overly pessimistic. I don’t believe Police Officers would be in a position to make any statement re broken bones and lung punctures. Are you therefore suggesting the medical profession were lying? Id prefer to say there was a mistaken diagnosis that has been corrected, but I appreciate the left would much prefer to peddle crap about Police lies.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 13:37:29 GMT
Good grief. Next you’ll be claiming that the BLM city centre riots of orgy and destruction actually contributed to a reduction in infections, such was the righteousness of their actions. Rather than debate a point you raise a straw man argument, one which is pointless and pure deflection. Others on here have raised the issue of the timing of protests during a pandemic. It's a fair point. But of course firstly we have to accept that we are not overloaded with demonstrations, occuring on a weekly basis, none of serious note at least. Let'stake the two widely discussed on here, mostly condemned. I think it is fairly obvious that specific "events" were drivers for both. The BLM protests was driven by the murder of a black guy by a police officer in the States. This then laid bare the seething resentment, frustrations and downright anger felt by many in communities in the States and then here, the UK also. The point being is the murder happened, if you are a member of that community do you ignore it (again) or despite everything do you use it to highlight to the world what is going on. In Bristol do we show support and highlight the hypocrisy and disgrace of allowing a public monument to a murdering fascist to stand in our city centre? The moment had come. With the "Kill the Bill" demo in Bristol, that bill is passing through Parliament right now, the time to influence MPs to amend it at the committee stage is right now, not in August when it's on the Statute Book and too late. It must be resisted. For those of us who fall within the libertarian segment of the political compass there is a "theme" with this government. A slide into nationalism and one with an authoritarian instinct. National Flags on display now every where, £2.7m (as I recall) spent on a "government" PR briefing room, £14billion extra on military spending. I laughed at the leaked comments from Johnson where he said "Capitalism & Greed" were the root causes of the success of the vaccine roll out. This pure 19th century economic theory, taught in the elite schools of Eton and Harrow and has zero relevance in the 21st century society. The fact that our Prime Minister said it, in a meeting in Parliament is a perfect indicator of the way our government thinks, their base instincts. Pandemic or not, their attempts at suppression must be resisted. I still fail to understand why people in this country got so het up about George Floyd. It just didn’t make any sense in a practical sense and it seemed to me it was more about causing maximum damage as the US elections were approaching and left wing agitation to get rid of Trump. I thought Trump a strange man to be POTUS, but quite what the US election had to do with us I can’t fathom. Plus the fact that the rioters in the US could hardly lay claim to any moral high ground, because they used it as a vehicle to burn whole sections of cities down, as well as destroying black peoples businesses. Who can forget that footage of that huge, fat black woman carrying boxes and boxes of Nike trainers to her 4x4 SUV?. So, the left wing agitators decide to have copy-cat demos (riots) in this country. What was that supposed to achieve here? What was their motive? It was never really very clear because there hadn’t been any instances of black criminals being unlawfully killed as was captured on film over there. You know, when a man who apparently couldn’t breath quite calmly told the officers he couldn’t breath numerous times over several minutes. The fact that he had numerous health conditions as a result of his louche lifestyle and was off his tits at the time seems to have been carefully overlooked. It turns out that one of their main aims was, in fact to defund the Police. Splendid, who shall we replace them with Einstein? I would have had more sympathy if they’d been on the streets demonstrating against the horrendous numbers of black on black murders happening on a daily basis in London, but no, not a peep. Strange, isn’t it. As for this taking the knee nonsense, forget it. I read of black players being racially abused after making mistakes during matches. Has anyone else noticed these incidents seem more frequent since this blended knee bollox? Abusing someone because of their colour, orientation, religion or whatever else is plainly wrong. The way to deal with this is to identify the perps and deal with them. The law affords salutary punishment. The worst thing they can do in my view is advertise it and encourage brain-dead’s to commit copy-cat offences. so in essence I don’t fundamentally disagree with you. We both know murder is wrong, murder because of the victims colour etc is just as wrong. Rioting over a statue to something that happened hundreds of years ago I saw pointless. Why not look at the statues, remind yourself it was wrong but in a different era and move on. There really is nothing to see here, and revising history is a dangerous thing and smacks of Orwellian..
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 13:36:14 GMT
Good grief. Next you’ll be claiming that the BLM city centre riots of orgy and destruction actually contributed to a reduction in infections, such was the righteousness of their actions. Rather than debate a point you raise a straw man argument, one which is pointless and pure deflection. Others on here have raised the issue of the timing of protests during a pandemic. It's a fair point. But of course firstly we have to accept that we are not overloaded with demonstrations, occuring on a weekly basis, none of serious note at least. Let'stake the two widely discussed on here, mostly condemned. I think it is fairly obvious that specific "events" were drivers for both. The BLM protests was driven by the murder of a black guy by a police officer in the States. This then laid bare the seething resentment, frustrations and downright anger felt by many in communities in the States and then here, the UK also. The point being is the murder happened, if you are a member of that community do you ignore it (again) or despite everything do you use it to highlight to the world what is going on. In Bristol do we show support and highlight the hypocrisy and disgrace of allowing a public monument to a murdering fascist to stand in our city centre? The moment had come. With the "Kill the Bill" demo in Bristol, that bill is passing through Parliament right now, the time to influence MPs to amend it at the committee stage is right now, not in August when it's on the Statute Book and too late. It must be resisted. For those of us who fall within the libertarian segment of the political compass there is a "theme" with this government. A slide into nationalism and one with an authoritarian instinct. National Flags on display now every where, £2.7m (as I recall) spent on a "government" PR briefing room, £14billion extra on military spending. I laughed at the leaked comments from Johnson where he said "Capitalism & Greed" were the root causes of the success of the vaccine roll out. This pure 19th century economic theory, taught in the elite schools of Eton and Harrow and has zero relevance in the 21st century society. The fact that our Prime Minister said it, in a meeting in Parliament is a perfect indicator of the way our government thinks, their base instincts. Pandemic or not, their attempts at suppression must be resisted. I still fail to understand why people in this country got so het up about George Floyd. It just didn’t make any sense in a practical sense and it seemed to me it was more about causing maximum damage as the US elections were approaching and left wing agitation to get rid of Trump. I thought Trump a strange man to be POTUS, but quite what the US election had to do with us I can’t fathom. Plus the fact that the rioters in the US could hardly lay claim to any moral high ground, because they used it as a vehicle to burn whole sections of cities down, as well as destroying black peoples businesses. Who can forget that footage of that huge, fat black woman carrying boxes and boxes of Nike trainers to her 4x4 SUV?. So, the left wing agitators decide to have copy-cat demos (riots) in this country. What was that supposed to achieve here? What was their motive? It was never really very clear because there hadn’t been any instances of black criminals being unlawfully killed as was captured on film over there. You know, when a man who apparently couldn’t breath quite calmly told the officers he couldn’t breath numerous times over several minutes. The fact that he had numerous health conditions as a result of his louche lifestyle and was off his tits at the time seems to have been carefully overlooked. It turns out that one of their main aims was, in fact to defund the Police. Splendid, who shall we replace them with Einstein? I would have had more sympathy if they’d been on the streets demonstrating against the horrendous numbers of black on black murders happening on a daily basis in London, but no, not a peep. Strange, isn’t it. As for this taking the knee nonsense, forget it. I read of black players being racially abused after making mistakes during matches. Has anyone else noticed these incidents seem more frequent since this blended knee bollox? Abusing someone because of their colour, orientation, religion or whatever else is plainly wrong. The way to deal with this is to identify the perps and deal with them. The law affords salutary punishment. The worst thing they can do in my view is advertise it and encourage brain-dead’s to commit copy-cat offences. so in essence I don’t fundamentally disagree with you. We both know murder is wrong, murder because of the victims colour etc is just as wrong. Rioting over a statue to something that happened hundreds of years ago I saw pointless. Why not look at the statues, remind yourself it was wrong but in a different era and move on
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 10:58:50 GMT
Good grief. Next you’ll be claiming that the BLM city centre riots of orgy and destruction actually contributed to a reduction in infections, such was the righteousness of their actions. No, he’s stating a statistical fact. But of course you’d disagree with that. I’d be very interested to see the statistics you claim he used. Or was it really just a personal opinion which you happen to agree with?
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 9:21:01 GMT
That’s not patronising, that’s utter surprise a health worker would condone such activity, especially as (s)he would have seen first hand the worse effects of Covid first hand. It would be horrifying if (s)he had admitted attending the demo. Protect the NHS. Hands Face. Space. However I do feel for you because being accused of being patronising (when you were) obviously stung and you’ve been itching to score an equaliser. Clearly you dint understand the word patronising. Not the first time you’ve confused yourself. Trying to remember I time you haven’t actually. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/patronizingHerewith the Cambridge definition of the word. Always glad to help clear a befuddled mind. As you can now see I wasn’t patronising Officer Dribble, I was expressing genuine amazement at his/her attitude. You're welcome.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 8:52:42 GMT
I see all the la la land lefties are out in force defending this shameful act. I'm not shocked at all. I was hoping to see the police bring out the water cannons to give those soap dodging thugs and good clean. We can forget about getting back to normal so long as these morons keep gathering in large groups in a pandemic. Dont usually wish ill health on anyone but I would have no sympathy for anyone who's stupid enough to attend these re-occurig pointless events. Tory blaming others for his own misgivings, what a surprise. You are aware that both the riots and massive covid outbreak here are because of the governments actions. Or are you so ignorant you can't see past your racist newspaper. Where did WSOTR refer to any newspaper? You really are a prize plum.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 8:49:27 GMT
It doesn’t matter that we’ve lost a basic human right, at least government have put up more Union flags to cheer us up! A basic human right? What utter tosh. A basic human right so important that 3000 people in a city with a c500,000 population bothered to turn out to defend. A goodly proportion of those that did attend were not even from Bristol, so let’s say 3000 people out of a national population of some 65 million bothered to attend. And this demo was advertised as the only demo in Britain, there weren’t co demos in other cities. Just more left wing, mouthy minority ranting I’m afraid.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 8:44:27 GMT
And to a lesser extent the hypocrites on here who shout the loudest about recorded deaths in UK through COVID are the same people condoning and shouting the loudest about the right to hold protests during a pandemic. For example There is no evidence that BLM supported demonstrations last summer dramatically increased covid infection rates and therefore deaths, but there is clear evidence that the shambolic policies and announcements from November through to the week before Christmas did. That's why Good grief. Next you’ll be claiming that the BLM city centre riots of orgy and destruction actually contributed to a reduction in infections, such was the righteousness of their actions.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 24, 2021 8:52:46 GMT
Well Bags here in North Wales got my haircut yesterday more hair on the floor than I've seen for 20 years. No deaths in Wales for 2 days and cases in the 000s but toss pot First Minister has given no indication when pubs/hotels can open so god knows when he will get his digithe out. Personally we've more or less written off hols abroad and as there will be the hordes of Babylon in UK resorts will give that a miss as well. I hope you don’t live anywhere near Aberystwyth. If Hinterland is any indication it can only be a matter of time before you become the victim of a grizzly, internecine murder!
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