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Post by oldgas on Oct 9, 2020 20:24:18 GMT
Does Canada accept lower standard goods. Why can't the UK get the same trade deal from the EU that Canada has. We've been a member of the EU for 40+ years yet the EU won't even agree to a trade deal equivalent to what they have with Canada. Says it all really. That’s funny, didn’t Corbyn’s Labour suggest both a Canada type deal and/or a Norway type deal? And didn’t the Tories reject them both? iI And now you’re complaining why can’t we get something like that? Seriously? I thought Jeremy Corbyn was going to re-negotiate the deal with the EU, then put that deal, together with the option of just staying within the EU, to the people in another referendum. As any deal negotiated by Corbyn would have been suicidal we would have voted to remain, which is what the Trecherous bastards wanted all along. Thornberry said she didn't mind which way it went just so long as she could have uninterrupted access to that yummy Belgian chocolate.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 9, 2020 19:20:22 GMT
3 adult season ticket holders and 2 kids season tickets. 6 of us watched from 1 account. Through the lap top to the big screen. 2 Adult and 1 Child ST's in our house. We watched on one account. I've tried linking the lap top to the TV via HDMI but the quality degenerates to almost unwatchable. So in these 2 posts that's 9 people watching from 2 accounts.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 9, 2020 19:04:18 GMT
I must have missed the immediate 800,000 jump in unemployment and the crashing economy Osborne and project fear promised us. Oh, I know, it was all hushed up by the Daily Mail. Bastards. That number was not in my original post. It may not have been, but the point is that was the figure banded about by project fear, along with all the other dire predictions from the Remain camp. I blame the Daily Mail. As I say, Bastards.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 9, 2020 18:59:36 GMT
I wouldn’t be too concerned about People like her taking offence. She was quite happy to put a racist label on anyone who drives a white van. But I guess those sort of offensive generalisations are ok as we hear them on these pages often enough towards anyone who voted leave. Do we? Where do we hear these generalisations on here so often? You often say stuff like this, but I never see it... It seems you can make a generalised accusation of racism against white people just because they show patriotism by flying the Union flag outside of their house and drive a large white van, and nobody blinks an eye. In fact, it almost meets with tacit approval. However, if you describe a fat woman as fat then you're accused of body shaming. If she's ugly and mouthy and you describe her as a fat, ugly mouthy cow, expect the world to crash around your ears. What strange times we live in.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 9, 2020 12:23:54 GMT
Do we? Where do we hear these generalisations on here so often? You often say stuff like this, but I never see it... It's an old sore Gassy800,000 from a few years back (I think). When challenged for evidence to support their claims, to the best of my recollection nobody could. So when some of us giggled at that we were accused of being arrogant. Some also said that nobody can plan for an outcome, well, they got what they wanted, a Government that is not only incapable of producing any sort of coherent plan, but they spout hyperbolic nonsense and deliver chaos. Project fear indeed. I must have missed the immediate 800,000 jump in unemployment and the crashing economy Osborne and project fear promised us. Oh, I know, it was all hushed up by the Daily Mail. Bastards.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 9, 2020 8:13:56 GMT
Not my scale, Gassy and/or Stuart's I think you'll find. Well, there's a turn up! No surprise you don't like Thatcher, the greatest PM since Churchill,many of course you're going to dislike Boris. But you describe Blair as a War Criminal and Corbyn as a deluded fool. One assumes you feel the same about Foot, KINNOCK, Miliband, Brown and Starmer. Wow! Careful there Oldgas whilst I 100% agree that Thatcher was the greatest PM since Churchill your going to get the lefties throwing back at you "what about the mine closures" The coal industry was on its last legs in the 1980's. I was working in Nottinghamshire and Yorkshire at the time, and the Notts men wouldn't support Yorkshire because Scargill had refused to protect some of their mines when they were closed. And that was what it was all about, Scargill wanted to bring down the government just like had happened to Heath the previous decade. Unfortunately for him, the scuzzy little Marxist, he came up against Thatcher who had more balls than him and his executive put together. Coal mining was costing the country millions a year in subsidies. It was a 19th century source of power and as we see now, is no longer viable or sustainable. Or would the left rather we still lived in a smog and smoke choked world with massive pollution okeep the mines open? By the wat, I realise you made that comment very much tongue in cheek!
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 12:36:05 GMT
Page 248, post 15. Or do you want a link? Ahh, That stuff. Not convinced my view on political polarity fits into your narrow 1960's parameters. But, for what it's worth Thatcher to was an idealogue, a committed "supply side" theorist and be damned with the social consequences Blair was a centrist, grasping that to distribute wealth, wealth had to be created. Unlike Thatcher he didn't accept the law of the jungle where "winners" win big, losers, well they just lose. Corbyn was a deluded fool. Johnson is worse than them all. I do not think he believes in anything, other than himself. As far as the invasion of Iraq is concerned, Blair is guilty as charged. I have no idea why he did it, what pressure the Americans brought to bear on the Attorney General to persuade him to declare the invasion legal. Not my scale, Gassy and/or Stuart's I think you'll find. Well, there's a turn up! No surprise you don't like Thatcher, the greatest PM since Churchill,many of course you're going to dislike Boris. But you describe Blair as a War Criminal and Corbyn as a deluded fool. One assumes you feel the same about Foot, KINNOCK, Miliband, Brown and Starmer. Wow!
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 12:26:41 GMT
Or read anything at all, bar the Daily Mail. Mein Kampf too judging by the conservative eugenics stories that broke around Christmas time last year. As opposed to the Socialist Worker or Morning Star? Oooh, me sides!
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 12:23:00 GMT
Getting back on topic: Coronavirus caused three times more deaths than pneumonia and flu combined in the first eight months of this year, according to new figures. There were 48,168 deaths due to COVID-19, 13,619 due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza in England and Wales between January and August, said the Office for National Statistics (ONS). Out of all deaths during this period, COVID-19 accounted for 12.4%, whereas 0.1% were due to flu and 3.5% caused by pneumonia. news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-killed-three-times-as-many-people-as-flu-and-pneumonia-combined-figures-show-12098893I'm glad to see that, unlike Sleepy Joe, you've attributed your source.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 10:19:02 GMT
Whilst you've got your eyes open, your fingers out your ears and you're keeping quiet, how about answering the questions I've posed? I must have missed the question. If it makes sense I will try Repeat please Page 248, post 15. Or do you want a link?
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 10:16:11 GMT
It's just a wind up, anything left of Thatcher is deemed Marxist for a reason. Get the feeling the Marx haters haven't even read Capital. Or any philosophical works. Who in Gods name would read that outmoded crap in the 21st century? Marxism has been shown to be a comprehensive failure wherever it's been tried. I doubt any of the modern day Marxists, enjoying the advantages of living in a free market, Capitalist system with all the social security and benefits that brings has read it. Id ask if you'd read it, but of course you'd say you had. youll be telling us you make an annual pilgrimage to Highgate with a bunch of red roses next.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 10:03:37 GMT
Get the feeling the Marx haters haven't even read Capital. Or any philosophical works. Or read anything at all, bar the Daily Mail. Stupid comment.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 9:28:41 GMT
"I'm just hoping Biden can get in and leave the job to actual politicians, rather than far right old white men who're racist, sexist bigots" So why on earth would you hope Joe Biden get's in then? "Didn't the democrats actually have more votes btw?" The American voting system is down to the Electoral College vote, Trump overturned the important "Rust Belt" states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. He’s the lesser of 2 evils, IMO. Thank you for clarifying the rust belt terminology Hey Gassy. Have you seen that American news report that's doing the rounds about Biden? It seems that has nothing but a decrepit plagyryst who lifts whole sections of other people's speeches and presents hem as his own without any reference or credit! There are numerous examples of him quoting, verbatim, Kennedy and, wait for it....KINNOCK! KINNOCK, for f**ks sake, the biggest windbag ever produced by the Labour Party, a bloke who'd have trouble finding his own arse and who, with his smug missus, has made himself a millionaire out of the EU. It turns out he has previous, and has presented as his own other people's work in academic submissions. And you you think this stupid old second-hand chancer would make a good President? God help America. And befor you ask Oldie, I'm not going to post a link. If you want to see it, look for yourself. That way you can pretend it doesn't exist and revert to LaLa mode.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 9:17:59 GMT
Get the feeling the Marx haters haven't even read Capital. Or any philosophical works. Or read anything at all, bar the Daily Mail. Whilst you've got your eyes open, your fingers out your ears and you're keeping quiet, how about answering the questions I've posed?
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 8:03:53 GMT
He was too busy doctoring evidence, planning illegal wars and colluding with Australian criminals over dodgy property deals to worry about little people on zero-hour contracts. thats how much your socialist heroes worry about the ordinary person. Tony Blair socialist hero - now I've heard everything! He managed to fool an awful lot of people for a long long time, didn't he? Not me, I'm glad to say. My first impression when he first came to prominence and got the leadership I thought he was a twisted, dishonest slime ball. Turned out I was right, and very probably a murderer as well.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 8, 2020 7:59:50 GMT
Yes, well, it's all a matter of opinion isn't it. Obama talked a good game, but when it came to the reckoning he really didn't manage to achieve much. He was even awarded the Nobel Peace Prize just for winning the election! I think the rest of the world wanted him to win more than America, how well do I remember the BBC clamour on his behalf in the weeks leading up to the election. The was one memorable occasion on his Saturday radio show when Jonathon Ross said then anyone who didn't vote for Obama was guilty of racism. And it wouldn't even be good racism, and I quote "kwap wacism" As for your bullet points. The situation in America righted itself but not because of anything Obama did, he was largely ineffective. Trump, whatever you think of him, led from the front, and put in place policies that aided America. May was a Remainer and did all she could to keep us shackled to the EU through the back door. Her aim was obviously to sign us back up again ASAP. We only had a referendum because we didn't have a second coalition government. That wet fart Cameron expected to be stopped by the Lib Dems, but was f**ked when the Tories won outright. As for Boris, he nearly died from Covid, he still isn't fully recovered and you're quite right, this recession has been fully caused by the disease. Wow, we may even have agreed on a couple of things! Tbf wasn't Trump now nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize? The American presidency is becoming a bit of a joke tbh, I'm just hoping Biden can get in and leave the job to actual politicians, rather than far right old white men who're racist, sexist bigots. As much as I don't rate Boris' performance as PM so far, at least he's a politician! So Obama didn't repair anything, it righted itself. But the UK didn't right itself, we needed saving by the Tories? Sorry OldGas but you're just screaming of wanting both sides of the coin. I personally don't think May actually wanted us to rejoin, I just think she was an idiot who didn't believe in what she was negotiating. I will give Boris credit in his negotiations with the EU last year, he handled that well - but I sincerely hope we don't leave with no deal. That'll be unforgivable for me. Also one last point, what do you mean when you said in another post, "Trump came in, with a huge Blue Collar vote including the rust belt."? Didn't the democrats actually have more votes btw? If Trump was nominated then that's ridiculous as well. That prize should never go to a politician. It encourages patronage and things like cash for questions. Trump is some kind of a fool, as I've said before. However he invigorated the American economy and has achieved more in 4 than Obama did in 8. The Farage party got a huge vote in the previous election but not one seat, so your analogy about American votes in valueless, it all depends on seats. I believe that commentators both sides of the pond were astounded at the number of blue collar workers, especially from the rust belt, who voted for Trump.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 7, 2020 18:22:52 GMT
We've been shafted twice, economy ruined for a decade, virus left to run free. Basically the people of the UK & US are the biggest losers. We've lost loved ones, jobs, homes, our lives. The government has been inept and happy to throw cash at their friends. Years of killing the NHS and zero hour jobs. Nobody will do anything about it. Zero hour contracts have been around for decades. In fact Blair 20+ years ago promised to end zero hour contracts...that went well then ! He was too busy doctoring evidence, planning illegal wars and colluding with Australian criminals over dodgy property deals to worry about little people on zero-hour contracts. thats how much your socialist heroes worry about the ordinary person.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 7, 2020 17:33:45 GMT
I don't want a new stadium, just a full old one please. Happy days indeed!
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Post by oldgas on Oct 7, 2020 17:21:51 GMT
MR Selective strikes again. Spot the difference part 2: When Obama left office after 8 unremarkable years of achieving not very much, Trump came in, with a huge Blue Collar vote including the rust belt. He put in a number of policies and decimated unemployment. I know to decimate means to reduce by 10%, but I'm sure you understand my meaning. Thanks to your favourite regime, we have had the Chinese flu unleashed on the world, with the resulting carnage and chaos. I know you'd dearly love to lay the blame for this at Trump and Boris' door, but facts are facts. Did you know they haven't had a single recorded case in North Korea? Thank you for your comments. But as an act of mercy, I advise you to refrain. You are making yourself look very foolish. Anyway, why have you suddenly popped up again having lain low these past couple of days? I've had an interesting discussion with Gassy, put forward my views which he hasn't particularly challenged which leads me to believe he considers they hold some merit. What are your thoughts on our scale of left to right? Do you have any views on the Blair then Brown years? Do you think your socialist hero is a war criminal? Do you think there was something fishy about Dr. Kelly's suicide? Instead of ignoring points you don't like and going off on a tangent, forget the Paul Daniels misdirection, put away the smoke and mirrors, open your eyes, take your fingers out of your ears, stop singing to yourself and answer the questions. We're not interested in one-sided stories about Trump, that's got nothing to do with us.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 7, 2020 16:45:20 GMT
I get that. But it seems to me we delivering the worse of both worlds. Infection is close to spiralling out of control and the economy is being strangled. Can we choose one or the other, rather than both? We've been shafted twice, economy ruined for a decade, virus left to run free. Basically the people of the UK & US are the biggest losers. We've lost loved ones, jobs, homes, our lives. The government has been inept and happy to throw cash at their friends. Years of killing the NHS and zero hour jobs. Nobody will do anything about it. I don't think our friends in the EU have fared any better. Russia is on its knees, but of course as a totalitarian state, the sort favoured by Oldie & co we'll never know. The same for China. If you deny there is anything wrong, the there can be nothing wrong. The only country that has had no Covid cases is North Korea, the most Marxist country on Earth.
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