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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 19:00:36 GMT
I have plenty of faith in my country, just not those in charge. As for Lord Frost, you believed him? On Macron you do have a point but at the end of the day he is also trying to sound tough with the Presidential elections soon. As for a trade deal in a few years, that will be too late, you do understand the consequences, don't you? He doesn't "do" Math or Economics. And the EU does? Ill ask again, do you have any faith in an organisation that hasn’t produced certified accounts for 10 years and spends countless millions, we’ll never know because they don’t produce certified accounts, in moving the EU Parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg several times a year to satisfy French arrogance? Do you not have just the tiniest concern at the billions of euros spent on European countries infrastructure, things that benefit us not one jot, but towards which we pay huge amounts to the detriment of our own country and people? I’ve never read or heard any Remainer explain or justify these points, they always just ignore and swerve them. AS for Gassy's question about lack of a deal, do you think it will cease entirely on 1st Jan 2021, and do you think the EU might just need to trade with us as well? They’ll find it difficult to replace our market for their Audis,VW, Seat and Skoda, Fiats, Citroen’s, Renaults, Peugeot’s etc etc. Im sure you get my point.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 17:23:30 GMT
It's hard not to feel a bit of sympathy seeing him fronting up and bullshitting his way through the interview, all the while looking like he's got someone holding a blunt, rusty knife against his bollocks. However, we should never forget the timing, or the two-faced devious way he treated us. Karma can be a bitch. ..... but he did a BRILLIANT job keeping us in League 1 after DC left - so we should be grateful for that. No, I haven’t forgotten how he kept us up. He was shouting from the rooftops how grateful he was for the job and how he would fight anyone for the job. That’s what makes his decision to leave even more C untish.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 17:13:24 GMT
What’s the hat article got to do with Brexit? All it illustrates is that a proportion of British people won’t control their louche lifestyle and are quite happy to eat, smoke and drink themselves into an early grave. I always remember an article in the Post by that idiot George Ferguson complaining about the 8 year difference in lifespan between the adjoining districts of Southmead and Henleaze, and vowing to introduce measures to even this up. I was never quite sure how he was going to reduce life expectancy of Henleaze residents by 8 years, but there you go, he was Labour. There is no poverty in Southmead or any other part of this country. Those people seem to think they’re poor if the fridge isn’t stacked with booze, they’ve no fags, and they haven’t got a 50” plasma TV and Sky TV with full film and sports package. They eat sh** ready meals and McDonalds and never buy fresh fruit and veg, because it’s too expensive! And I do know what I’m talking about because I worked in that and other similar areas for 40 years.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 16:51:41 GMT
"Its a good job we have the brexiteers to save us from ourselves". Wow! Just as we are about to crash out on WTO terms because of the very same merry bunch. I mean, surely? We haven’t crashed out of the EU. We tried to negotiate up 7ntil the 11th hour, but as Lord Frost has said, they were never really serious, and various ministers used it to grandstand and show their voters how tough they are. Chief amongst these was Macron, grandstanding to French fishermen. What the stupid twat doesn’t seem to realise is that’s they will get no access to our waters rather than limited access. If we had a Remainer at Heart like May leading the negotiations she would have capitulated and given them everything they wanted. We would be bound by their las, rules and regulations for ever with no say and they would have totally ripped us off and used us to frighten any other state from leaving. I suspect they will want to return to the table after January and a trade deal will be agreed in the next couple of years. Have a little faith in your country.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 13:31:38 GMT
I never liked his football style at our club, never believed he would take us anywhere. But I have to say, some of the comments on here are unnecessary and unbecoming. He is just a bloke after all. It's hard not to feel a bit of sympathy seeing him fronting up and bullshitting his way through the interview, all the while looking like he's got someone holding a blunt, rusty knife against his bollocks. However, we should never forget the timing, or the two-faced devious way he treated us. Karma can be a bitch.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 11:25:38 GMT
No, I don’t read the Express and it’s unwise to try and make assumptions about people. I have said before, I quite enjoy reading Guardian articles as long as they aren’t political. I find those to be tedious, left wing rubbish, in fact so left wing the print is almost sliding off the paper. Your other sources? extremely biased EU supporting and no doubt sponsored organisations. Why, even the BBC and Channel 4 have avoided publicising such bollox. As for jobs etc, I think you’ll find Covid is responsible for all the job losses and company failures we’re seeing at the moment. If you had any sense you’d be celebrating the fact we won’t be expected to contribute to the German and French Covid recovery fund which the EU are busily setting up for their next budgetary demands. Sorry, I forgot, you seem happy to bail out the rest of Europe rather than help your own country. That’s funny, because you’d made the assumption that I was dyslexic because you misunderstood my post. So not only did you make an assumption, you also thought dyslexia was to do with numbers. Which it is not. Perhaps the express is too intellectual for you, is the hungry caterpillar more accurate? So Bloomberg and Forbes isn’t good enough of a source for you now? That’s very right thing to do isn’t it? “Where’s your source?” “Here” “nope can’t be true still, I don’t believe it” - take your head out of the sand for once. Oh and the EU rescue package? You mean the €750b package? How much in 40/50 years did we pay into the EU? £130b? Now as you’ve suggested I am dyslexic at maths, but something doesn’t quite add up there does it? You also don’t believe any jobs were lost before Covid? No companies moved away? What about the pound? I guess Covid is fortunate for you, because it hides the evidence that project fear was real. But facts are facts. You voted for this, in fact - you asked for this. I hope you enjoy the show Sorry, but what’s even funnier is that you seem to have a problem differentiating 14 million from 17.4 million with the added complication that not all of the 17.4 million were Tory voters. I dont read the Express because I find it little more than a comic. I don’t know why an organisation has to produce such pap, just as I don’t understand the existence of the Sun and Mirror. At least the Guardian produces thoughtful articles, at least when they’re non-political. I seem to remember prior to Covid that the employment rate was at an all-time high, and several blue chip companies were locating to Britain. I don’t know where you got that figure for our total contributions, but I suspect it is greater than that, taking into account your well evidenced numerical dyslexia, and EU inspired creative accounting, although they haven’t actually produced any audited accounts for the past 10 years. And you want to remain a member of an organisation that doesn’t actually know where the money’s gone, and are happy to pay towards moving, in effect, Brussels to Strasbourg every month, just to satisfy French vanity? AND you’d be happy to pay a hove chunk of that £750 billion Recovery Fund to get nothing back? I’d say it’s a good job you’ve got the Brexiteers to save you from yourself. As for your impeccable sources, it depends how the individual views them. If you can’t recognise they’ve heavily influenced by the very organisation we’re trying to escape then there isn’t much hope.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 10:46:03 GMT
What I want to know is why can’t we deliver a corner like their young sub did for their goal. A vicious, fast, swirling ball that proved impossible to defend and caused panic in our defence.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 9:09:52 GMT
Well, this is a new one. I would have thought if there was any truth in this pile of crap it might have been broadcast by the likes of BBC, ITN, Channel 4, The Slave Owners Guardian, Daily Mirror etc etc. Instead it's been left to an obscure general chat discussion forum to spread the glad tidings. where exactly did you find this? I rather suspect from some heavily-biased Remainer source. What was it you said to Oldie recently about 'it is out there but its your job to find it'? Not the first time we've heard a made up statement from right wing posters who fail to show their source. I however, can show you many - I didn't make up statements and hide behind 'you find it'. You seem like the sort of person who reads the express - I even managed to find a right wing paper who reported it: www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1235498/brexit-costs-so-far-how-much-has-brexit-cost-eu-membership-divorce-billTheir source? Bloomberg - but let me guess, they're some ultra-left group run by Corbyn? There was an article in Forbes too. Oh and while we're at it, something eric will enjoy: "No-deal Brexit will cost UK more than Covid, report finds" www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/23/no-deal-brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-covid-reportBut you seemed to have no comment on "Not to forget jobs have been lost, companies moved, we’re in a recession and the pound is weaker." All worth it, right? Imagine voting to knowingly f*ck our economy up & people's lives, to then actually tell the opposition that they're not nationalistic enough. Because that makes sense... No, I don’t read the Express and it’s unwise to try and make assumptions about people. I have said before, I quite enjoy reading Guardian articles as long as they aren’t political. I find those to be tedious, left wing rubbish, in fact so left wing the print is almost sliding off the paper. Your other sources? extremely biased EU supporting and no doubt sponsored organisations. Why, even the BBC and Channel 4 have avoided publicising such bollox. As for jobs etc, I think you’ll find Covid is responsible for all the job losses and company failures we’re seeing at the moment. If you had any sense you’d be celebrating the fact we won’t be expected to contribute to the German and French Covid recovery fund which the EU are busily setting up for their next budgetary demands. Sorry, I forgot, you seem happy to bail out the rest of Europe rather than help your own country.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 18, 2020 9:01:20 GMT
Well, this is a new one. I would have thought if there was any truth in this pile of crap it might have been broadcast by the likes of BBC, ITN, Channel 4, The Slave Owners Guardian, Daily Mirror etc etc. Instead it's been left to an obscure general chat discussion forum to spread the glad tidings. where exactly did you find this? I rather suspect from some heavily-biased Remainer source. So you don't know? I don’t know what? Where he found this pile of crap? No, and I ont suppose you do either. Attachments:
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 20:25:17 GMT
Mathematical problem here, typical of numerically dyslexic Remainers. That's twice in a day you've failed to understand I'm talking about the 2019 election, where 14m people voted Tory. I hear age catches up with you quick, didn't realise it was that quick! Oh, I understood what you said. The maths still don't add up though. You say 14 million voted Tory at the last GE. There were 17.4 million votes to leave. It is safe to assume not every Tory voter opted for leave. So there is a difference of 3.4 million in those that voted Leave with Tory GE voters. I wonder how many Labour supporters voted to leave, even though they were all supposed to want to Remain because that's what Blair wanted. And perhaps Corbyn, although he never really seemed to be sure, judging by his stance in the GE. And then of course there's Max Headroom agitating for another referendum. The left seems rather confused and confusing, doesn't it.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 20:05:53 GMT
What on Earth are you on about? You. You are Corporal Jones..right? In which case you must be Warden Hodges. The jumped up busybody fruit and veg stall holder. Rushing around putting everyone right.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 19:59:03 GMT
Since voting to leave the EU, it’s cost us more in 4 years than we’ve paid to the EU in membership fees. Not to forget jobs have been lost, companies moved, we’re in a recession and the pound is weaker. What’s not to like? Well, this is a new one. I would have thought if there was any truth in this pile of crap it might have been broadcast by the likes of BBC, ITN, Channel 4, The Slave Owners Guardian, Daily Mirror etc etc. Instead it's been left to an obscure general chat discussion forum to spread the glad tidings. where exactly did you find this? I rather suspect from some heavily-biased Remainer source.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 13:04:47 GMT
No, patriotic Tories stopped a craven surrender going through, set up by a traitorous Prime Minister. I understand I'm using words you don't really understand, like patriotic, surrender, craven and traitor. Never mind, one day. Did you play Corporal Jones in Dad's Army? It was you wasn't it? Admit it, you played yourself, no acting required. By the way, We Are, We're and Were are completely different. We are leaving. You hope, I presume, that we never were leaving? What on Earth are you on about?
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 13:01:12 GMT
Hey Remainers, were leaving without a deal. Get used to it. And if you want someone to blame, look no further than that asshole Macron. He blocked it because of French Fisherman. So, instead of them having a more limited access to OUR fishing grounds they're now going to get F all. How can you negotiate with people like that? It is to be hoped that our government strictly enforce the no fishing after January 1st, using the Royal Navy if necessary. Surely even you Remainers are patriotic enough to support that. Did you protest against the Tory Govt for their lack of patriotism when they took us into the EU? No, because we went into the Common Market, a vehicle for free trade between the countries of Europe. What it became was completely foreign to that, a soviet style centrally controlled monolith, run by France and Germany for their benefit. Hence they have a one size fits all currency which is bankrupting Southern Europe and a creeping takeover of every aspect of its member states legal and economic governance. We're well out of it. I hope the government tell the EU to whistle for the £39 billion. And next year we won't be handing over £12 billion in membership fees. What's not to like?
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 12:21:14 GMT
Hey Remainers, were leaving without a deal. Get used to it. And if you want someone to blame, look no further than that asshole Macron. He blocked it because of French Fisherman. So, instead of them having a more limited access to OUR fishing grounds they're now going to get F all. How can you negotiate with people like that?
It is to be hoped that our government strictly enforce the no fishing after January 1st, using the Royal Navy if necessary.
Surely even you Remainers are patriotic enough to support that.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 12:16:20 GMT
You do realise it was the majority leave backing Tory Government that stopped things going through parliament Ssssshh, say it quietly, they get upset. No, patriotic Tories stopped a craven surrender going through, set up by a traitorous Prime Minister. I understand I'm using words you don't really understand, like patriotic, surrender, craven and traitor. Never mind, one day.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 12:10:25 GMT
The last point is very true, if I were you Gassy I'd learn from those with experience. 😃 Who’d have though 14m Tory voters wouldn’t be considered Tories? Bloody left, they’ve done it again! Mathematical problem here, typical of numerically dyslexic Remainers.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 12:06:43 GMT
Tis the way of things in the Hobbit world of leaverland. And they're ALL Bastard Tories.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 12:05:13 GMT
It’s weird, because on another thread people are arguing in favour of jobs being saved at the cost of lives and yet on this thread the same people are arguing in favour of a policy that will result in the loss of jobs. To paraphrase that Welsh flag Gareth Bale was pictured holding: Brexit. Jobs. Lives. In that order Tis the way of things in the Hobbit world of leaverland. Wand they're ALL Bastard Tories.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 17, 2020 12:03:31 GMT
The last point is very true, if I were you Gassy I'd learn from those with experience. 😃 😂😂😂😂😂 Yeah, laugh on. 17.4 Tory leave voters. And not one Tory supporter voted to remain I take it.
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