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Post by paulpirate on Sept 25, 2017 19:03:35 GMT
And how is it not offensive to be called vile racist scum by someone that probably doesn't even know him? I imagine a few more people will close their accounts if these pc knobs aren't brought into line. Maybe the mods could moderate them and their uncalled for comments. After all, people have been taken to court for calling people more pleasant things. This may not be twitter or facebook but it's still in writing and the mods would have to give up a username's home address, ip address etc if instructed to by legal people. it was the same prat that started a thread calling our own fans scabs,wum |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Sept 25, 2017 19:07:39 GMT
And how is it not offensive to be called vile racist scum by someone that probably doesn't even know him? I imagine a few more people will close their accounts if these pc knobs aren't brought into line. Maybe the mods could moderate them and their uncalled for comments. After all, people have been taken to court for calling people more pleasant things. This may not be twitter or facebook but it's still in writing and the mods would have to give up a username's home address, ip address etc if instructed to by legal people. We don't generally ban people, or bring people into line, whatever that means. Gashead Gaz wasn't moderated. Not sure why all the 'stop moderating/don't ban people/hands off our threads' crowd are calling for moderator action suddenly. Well, maybe you should moderate such things. Bring in line means stop the unwarranted abuse of people who don't share the pc view. This forum has gone majorly downhill lately and the common theme seems to be pc knobs calling others racist. People will stop posting as much for fear of saying the wrong thing and upsetting one person in 1000. Then you don't have a forum at all. The pc knobs will have to argue with themselves to get their fix. |
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Post by You can call me Al. on Sept 25, 2017 19:10:16 GMT
We don't generally ban people, or bring people into line, whatever that means. Gashead Gaz wasn't moderated. Not sure why all the 'stop moderating/don't ban people/hands off our threads' crowd are calling for moderator action suddenly. Well, maybe you should moderate such things. Bring in line means stop the unwarranted abuse of people who don't share the pc view. This forum has gone majorly downhill lately and the common theme seems to be pc knobs calling others racist. People will stop posting as much for fear of saying the wrong thing and upsetting one person in 1000. Then you don't have a forum at all. The pc knobs will have to argue with themselves to get their fix. Calling people Knobs isn't really following your own guidelines is it? |
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Post by BrightonGas on Sept 25, 2017 19:18:14 GMT
Not sure I would describe the so called accuser's comment as PC
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Post by scoobydoogas on Sept 25, 2017 19:19:20 GMT
Well, maybe you should moderate such things. Bring in line means stop the unwarranted abuse of people who don't share the pc view. This forum has gone majorly downhill lately and the common theme seems to be pc knobs calling others racist. People will stop posting as much for fear of saying the wrong thing and upsetting one person in 1000. Then you don't have a forum at all. The pc knobs will have to argue with themselves to get their fix. Calling people Knobs isn't really following your own guidelines is it? Don't want to fall out with you mods but this is exactly my point. You did exactly what I thought someone would. Pull me up for "knob", which was deliberate, but show no interest in resolving the "vile racist scum" issue. I think that proves the point I've tried to make. Just my opinion, of course. I actually hate the fact that I've got myself caught up in all of this but a stand has to be taken. |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Sept 25, 2017 19:20:00 GMT
And how is it not offensive to be called vile racist scum by someone that probably doesn't even know him? I imagine a few more people will close their accounts if these pc knobs aren't brought into line. Maybe the mods could moderate them and their uncalled for comments. After all, people have been taken to court for calling people more pleasant things. This may not be twitter or facebook but it's still in writing and the mods would have to give up a username's home address, ip address etc if instructed to by legal people. it was the same prat that started a thread calling our own fans scabs,wum I guess you are talking about the star wars character? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 25, 2017 19:21:24 GMT
We don't generally ban people, or bring people into line, whatever that means. Gashead Gaz wasn't moderated. Not sure why all the 'stop moderating/don't ban people/hands off our threads' crowd are calling for moderator action suddenly. Well, maybe you should moderate such things. Bring in line means stop the unwarranted abuse of people who don't share the pc view. This forum has gone majorly downhill lately and the common theme seems to be pc knobs calling others racist. People will stop posting as much for fear of saying the wrong thing and upsetting one person in 1000. Then you don't have a forum at all. The pc knobs will have to argue with themselves to get their fix. Honestly, that's not really how I see it, call me a pc knob but istm that all this PC furore lately has been overstated. First of all, it's not really much of a thing, it's just a catch-all term which is vaguely insulting and means something different to everyone. It usually just means something vaguely like 'something someone said I wasn't allowed to say, once' or 'someone who's a bit more left wing than me.' Istm it's very effective at galvanising a sort of reactionary solidarity, while being vague enough to appeal broadly. What I've noticed recently is that a lot of people like to whine about PC and like to pretend they're not allowed to whine about it, while whining about it. It's a bit weird. They also seem to like to claim they're being oppressed by it, or similar stuff, while being no more oppressed than someone just disagreeing with them on the internet. They also seem to think they can just rant about the PC brigade in insulting terms, and that's ok. But if someone insults them then they throw their toys out the pram. I find it all a bit weird to be honest. Chewbacca wasn't PC, almost however you define it, he's a drive-by WUM. I would have thought most of the people on this forum would have grasped that. He's obviously been a bit clever lately, though, coz he has managed to wind up a few people. He must be having a bit of a chuckle now, and all he did was make two stupid, insulting posts. |
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Post by BrightonGas on Sept 25, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
The way he reacted didn't help, he could have backed out of the corner and accepted it had been offensive, he chose to make it worse. And that's the thing, isn't it? People who have been accused of being racist are now expected to accept the charge without question so it can be shown that they have been re-educated. It wouldn't do the accuser any harm to back pedal and apologise for their over-zealous reverse bigotry. as I have said, the accuser in matters of racism must always have the last word, so I won't be holding my breath. its a sad, topsy turvey world we now live in. Your right oldgas, it wasn't an appropriate reaction. ...but it was an out of order attempt at a joke. |
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Post by You can call me Al. on Sept 25, 2017 19:24:49 GMT
Calling people Knobs isn't really following your own guidelines is it? Don't want to fall out with you mods but this is exactly my point. You did exactly what I thought someone would. Pull me up for "knob", which was deliberate, but show no interest in resolving the "vile racist scum" issue. I think that proves the point I've tried to make. Just my opinion, of course. I actually hate the fact that I've got myself caught up in all of this but a stand has to be taken. I sympathise with your thoughts. Yesterday a shall we say innappropriate post was made, it was replied to with an insulting name-calling, by the time this was spotted a few replies were added and we left it there because it was being discussed in fairly good taste. I really do get some of the posts like your own and i assure you i will moderate it unbiased if i see it. I actually would love to see these things discussed (without abuse). My only point in my last post was your own good self lowering yourself, you have now said that was intentional so not sure what you expected. Good points raised tho Scooby, no issue at all with your thoughts. |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 25, 2017 19:27:50 GMT
And how is it not offensive to be called vile racist scum by someone that probably doesn't even know him? I imagine a few more people will close their accounts if these pc knobs aren't brought into line. Maybe the mods could moderate them and their uncalled for comments. After all, people have been taken to court for calling people more pleasant things. This may not be twitter or facebook but it's still in writing and the mods would have to give up a username's home address, ip address etc if instructed to by legal people. We don't generally ban people, or bring people into line, whatever that means. Gashead Gaz wasn't moderated. Not sure why all the 'stop moderating/don't ban people/hands off our threads' crowd are calling for moderator action suddenly. No one knows why GG deleted his account. Only he can tell us and as he's deleted it's reasonable to assume he won't be engaging on this forum again. Having participated in this thread and following research I floated the idea he may have decided to delete his account following a completely unwarranted and over the top volley of abuse because he cracked a weak joke about Middle Eastern men and terrorism. If someone had so roundly abused another poster for any other reason, the mods would have issued warnings re future conduct. The aggressor, on reflection, may even have issued an apology. Not so when it comes to charges of racism. In thes circumstances anything goes. The PC medal polishers consider it their right and sacred duty to treat their victim as a heretic for whom burning at the stake is the least they deserve. No one challenges them, and if someone does, others rush in to justify the accusers. Its a sad reflection of the times we live in. I am firmly of the belief that anyone under the age of 40 has had the ability to think for themselves "educated" out of them. The Liberal Left have held sway in this country for too many years. It's now a right-on paradise for the trendy left wing collective It it used to be called Brain Washing. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 25, 2017 19:28:10 GMT
Looks to me like a handful of people are intent on destroying Gaschat.
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Post by You can call me Al. on Sept 25, 2017 19:36:27 GMT
We don't generally ban people, or bring people into line, whatever that means. Gashead Gaz wasn't moderated. Not sure why all the 'stop moderating/don't ban people/hands off our threads' crowd are calling for moderator action suddenly. No one knows why GG deleted his account. Only he can tell us and as he's deleted it's reasonable to assume he won't be engaging on this forum again. Having participated in this thread and following research I floated the idea he may have decided to delete his account following a completely unwarranted and over the top volley of abuse because he cracked a weak joke about Middle Eastern men and terrorism. If someone had so roundly abused another poster for any other reason, the mods would have issued warnings re future conduct. The aggressor, on reflection, may even have issued an apology. Not so when it comes to charges of racism. In thes circumstances anything goes. The PC medal polishers consider it their right and sacred duty to treat their victim as a heretic for whom burning at the stake is the least they deserve. No one challenges them, and if someone does, others rush in to justify the accusers. Its a sad reflection of the times we live in. I am firmly of the belief that anyone under the age of 40 has had the ability to think for themselves "educated" out of them. The Liberal Left have held sway in this country for too many years. It's now a right-on paradise for the trendy left wing collective It it used to be called Brain Washing. Another good post. I don't agree with all of it, but respectful debate is good. Interesting points made. |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Sept 25, 2017 19:36:59 GMT
Don't want to fall out with you mods but this is exactly my point. You did exactly what I thought someone would. Pull me up for "knob", which was deliberate, but show no interest in resolving the "vile racist scum" issue. I think that proves the point I've tried to make. Just my opinion, of course. I actually hate the fact that I've got myself caught up in all of this but a stand has to be taken. I sympathise with your thoughts. Yesterday a shall we say innappropriate post was made, it was replied to with an insulting name-calling, by the time this was spotted a few replies were added and we left it there because it was being discussed in fairly good taste. I really do get some of the posts like your own and i assure you i will moderate it unbiased if i see it. I actually would love to see these things discussed (without abuse). My only point in my last post was your own good self lowering yourself, you have now said that was intentional so not sure what you expected. Good points raised tho Scooby, no issue at all with your thoughts. I put "knobs" purely to test the strength of reaction. I wouldn't normally do that but I felt it the only way to bring out some of the point I was trying to make. Anyway, this is very draining and Mrs Scoobydoo is tutting at me being on here so long so I'm gonna call it a night. Hope you and Mr Fargas enjoy the rest of your evening. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 19:49:27 GMT
Looks to me like a handful of people are intent on destroying Gaschat. The new influx of members over the last year or two - or maybe old members posting about irrelevant topics - have managed that themselves. At least people spoke about relevant stuff (like - shock - football) when it started up, now its gone the way of the old forum. Exactly what it was supposed to be an antidote to, funnily enough  |
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Post by BrightonGas on Sept 25, 2017 20:22:48 GMT
We don't generally ban people, or bring people into line, whatever that means. Gashead Gaz wasn't moderated. Not sure why all the 'stop moderating/don't ban people/hands off our threads' crowd are calling for moderator action suddenly. No one knows why GG deleted his account. Only he can tell us and as he's deleted it's reasonable to assume he won't be engaging on this forum again. Having participated in this thread and following research I floated the idea he may have decided to delete his account following a completely unwarranted and over the top volley of abuse because he cracked a weak joke about Middle Eastern men and terrorism. If someone had so roundly abused another poster for any other reason, the mods would have issued warnings re future conduct. The aggressor, on reflection, may even have issued an apology. Not so when it comes to charges of racism. In thes circumstances anything goes. The PC medal polishers consider it their right and sacred duty to treat their victim as a heretic for whom burning at the stake is the least they deserve. No one challenges them, and if someone does, others rush in to justify the accusers. Its a sad reflection of the times we live in. I am firmly of the belief that anyone under the age of 40 has had the ability to think for themselves "educated" out of them. The Liberal Left have held sway in this country for too many years. It's now a right-on paradise for the trendy left wing collective It it used to be called Brain Washing. I will warn the kids in the morning before school of the dangers you have highlighted Oldgas. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 25, 2017 20:31:53 GMT
We don't generally ban people, or bring people into line, whatever that means. Gashead Gaz wasn't moderated. Not sure why all the 'stop moderating/don't ban people/hands off our threads' crowd are calling for moderator action suddenly. No one knows why GG deleted his account. Only he can tell us and as he's deleted it's reasonable to assume he won't be engaging on this forum again. Having participated in this thread and following research I floated the idea he may have decided to delete his account following a completely unwarranted and over the top volley of abuse because he cracked a weak joke about Middle Eastern men and terrorism. If someone had so roundly abused another poster for any other reason, the mods would have issued warnings re future conduct. The aggressor, on reflection, may even have issued an apology. Not so when it comes to charges of racism. In thes circumstances anything goes. The PC medal polishers consider it their right and sacred duty to treat their victim as a heretic for whom burning at the stake is the least they deserve. No one challenges them, and if someone does, others rush in to justify the accusers. Its a sad reflection of the times we live in. I am firmly of the belief that anyone under the age of 40 has had the ability to think for themselves "educated" out of them. The Liberal Left have held sway in this country for too many years. It's now a right-on paradise for the trendy left wing collective It it used to be called Brain Washing. What a load of nonsense being spoken about PC mind control. This isn't the CIA or North Korea. Its just a minor football forum where people express their views and others express other views. Gashead Gas made a remark about people of middle eastern appearance being spotted, and then linked that to a remark about terrorists. Some laughed at it. Some took offence. No one was banned. No one was controlling the agenda. It seems to me that everyone is pretty much free to say what they like. Certainly as soon as any poster dares to suggest that a post is rascist, a host of others are quick to post an opposing view, so all sides of the "argument" are being aired. You could flip the discussion just as easily, and suggest that the views of liberal lentil munching do gooder dishcloths are being suppressed by the intolerant right wingers who jump on any comment which might not be considered acceptable by them. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 25, 2017 20:41:41 GMT
We don't generally ban people, or bring people into line, whatever that means. Gashead Gaz wasn't moderated. Not sure why all the 'stop moderating/don't ban people/hands off our threads' crowd are calling for moderator action suddenly. No one knows why GG deleted his account. Only he can tell us and as he's deleted it's reasonable to assume he won't be engaging on this forum again. Having participated in this thread and following research I floated the idea he may have decided to delete his account following a completely unwarranted and over the top volley of abuse because he cracked a weak joke about Middle Eastern men and terrorism. For the record, GG was warned by moderators. I wasn't aware of this when I posted the above. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2017 20:42:05 GMT
For the record, some of the mod team discussed the comment that was made GG behind closed doors. Some thought a ban others thought a warning would sufffice.
I contacted Gaz this morning via PM and explained the situation. I issued him with a warning as if to say, don't do it again as the whole subject at the moment is becoming inflammatory. He PM me back saying he was leaving.
So no one banned GG.
It was only mentioned a couple of days ago that we have to take a consistent stance on anything posted that may contain a racial slur or stereo type, regardless of how small or insignificant it may seem to be, even if you disagree with it, and if ones continued to do it there would be warnings or bans issued. The whole mod team aren't asking for much, after all this is a football forum about BRFC.
Thing is, whatever us mods do or don't do, it is going to be unpopular with someone.
This stance doesn't mean we are all of a certain opinion as some posters are implying but we are tying to be all things to all sorts. I'm not sure if we have any Asian gas heads, I'm sure we must have as Bristol as a city is extremely multicultural, so how do you think they would feel if they came here and saw that kind of posting? This is the kind of thing we have to think about when modding, our own opinions do not come in to it.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 25, 2017 20:47:16 GMT
I have to say the standard of your average poster on here has dropped. To the extent where I keep on rising!
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 25, 2017 20:52:09 GMT
I have to say the standard of your average poster on here has dropped. To the extent where I keep on rising! Goals!! |
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