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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 8, 2019 16:39:27 GMT
I agree. I’d say as many as 5 of today’s starters aren’t good enough at this level. But we're probably two wins short of being mid table so it's hardly half the team not good enough, we just lack attack minded players with Rodman & THD out injured, Lines out of favour/form. In my opinion, Kelly, Ogogo, Upson, Sinclair and Reilly are all out of their depth in this division. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 16:53:56 GMT
I agree. I’d say as many as 5 of today’s starters aren’t good enough at this level. But we're probably two wins short of being mid table so it's hardly half the team not good enough, we just lack attack minded players with Rodman & THD out injured, Lines out of favour/form. And lose a few and we could be a league 2 side |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 8, 2019 17:07:13 GMT
But we're probably two wins short of being mid table so it's hardly half the team not good enough, we just lack attack minded players with Rodman & THD out injured, Lines out of favour/form. And lose a few and we could be a league 2 side But that's true of any team o/s the top 10, Div 1 is starting to go the way of the Premiership 6, possibly 8, strong sides, the rest could as easily be involved in a promotion push as a relegation battle next season. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 8, 2019 17:16:02 GMT
But we're probably two wins short of being mid table so it's hardly half the team not good enough, we just lack attack minded players with Rodman & THD out injured, Lines out of favour/form. In my opinion, Kelly, Ogogo, Upson, Sinclair and Reilly are all out of their depth in this division. Why don't we just tear up every players contract and start again, lets see what that does for team (& fans) spirit when 20 Payne's turn up next summer. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Apr 8, 2019 17:47:15 GMT
I said I'd take a point and after that 1st half performance I was more than happy! Two different team setups (Us and Coventry) and on a pitch that was almost as wide as it was long, they were set up to play with width and we just didn't have anyone that could/would. Didn't GC do his homework on the Ricoh pitch/Coventry, or is it because we are so short of players who can make use of the width. Looked better when Jak & TN came on playing a 4-3-3 and giving us far more width with Jak playing right and TN left (Although TN's best/only effort came from the right) and giving JCH more support. We cannot play Sincs and Ogogo together as neither of them, or Upson, has the pace to support the front two. That's why Coventry kept coming back at us when the front two were 'muscled' out of it, plus some very poor passing by Kelly and the midfield. Kelly had a bit of a nightmare and the sooner we get THD back the better, either to support him, or to support the front two. I am one of O Clarke's worst critics, but there are times when he has the pace to support the front men. I assume he was injured, otherwise he would have a least been on the bench. I don't think Linesy was the solution either. Gone are the days of his 'driving runs' from midfield at the opposition. He spends more time behind the back four nowadays and trying 'Hollywood balls' to wide players (if we've got one?) NO question about MOM yesterday.........Jack Bonham saved us and made sure we kept the point, closely followed by Locks and TC. Rant over! Lets get back to winning form on Saturday! UTG. Good 'controlled rant' Jester, you be lucky not to get a bollocking from the punctuation and grammar police on here though!! |
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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 8, 2019 18:14:12 GMT
In my opinion, Kelly, Ogogo, Upson, Sinclair and Reilly are all out of their depth in this division. Why don't we just tear up every players contract and start again, lets see what that does for team (& fans) spirit when 20 Payne's turn up next summer. But we know it’s not that simple. I was just giving my opinion that those players mentioned aren’t good enough, if we don’t want another tough season next time around. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Apr 8, 2019 18:18:35 GMT
We need a good clear out this summer and a smaller, but a better quality squad for next season. If I was in charge to go would be O. Clarke; Lines; Sinclair: Bennett: Secombe: Mathews: Payne; Jackubiac (End of loan): Mensah: Nichols: Partington: Mayonases: Leadbitter; Smith: Slocombe. I would try to sign Bonham. I put these names forward because some are now naturally coming to the end of their careers. Some are always injured. Some are slow. Some are not good enough. Some play like they don't want to be here. And finally, of all of those mentioned, if they were on the bench and came on, they wouldn't make much difference I wish we could apply your theory in practice to some of our fellow posters on here with special relevance to the slow and not good enough....  |
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Post by skyblue1968 on Apr 8, 2019 18:24:26 GMT
Hi Lads and lasses,Thought we deserved to win yesterday had enough chances trying to walk it in as usual instead of shooting.
Thought your defence did well and it was like watching JCH when he played for us,Always moaning and spent most of the game on his arse.
Anyway decent support from you,Only Pompey,Blunerland and Oxford bought more supporters.Hope to see you next season all the best from Weston super mare Skyblues!!!
Not sure where were playing yet though!!!
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 8, 2019 18:46:17 GMT
Hi Lads and lasses,Thought we deserved to win yesterday had enough chances trying to walk it in as usual instead of shooting. Thought your defence did well and it was like watching JCH when he played for us,Always moaning and spent most of the game on his arse. Anyway decent support from you,Only Pompey,Blunerland and Oxford bought more supporters.Hope to see you next season all the best from Weston super mare Skyblues!!! Not sure where were playing yet though!!! I would agree mate. We should have lost that 4/0. JCH was not at his usual best and he’s had much better games. Hoping we might be in for Luke Thomas in the summer. Cracking midfielder. All the best for the rest of the season! |
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Post by bluegas on Apr 8, 2019 18:47:13 GMT
In my opinion, Kelly, Ogogo, Upson, Sinclair and Reilly are all out of their depth in this division. Why don't we just tear up every players contract and start again, lets see what that does for team (& fans) spirit when 20 Payne's turn up next summer. Wow!!! Brilliant idea! But this is it - it's so bloody easy to manage a football club. Can't understand why guys like DC & GC make it look so hard. |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 8, 2019 19:13:21 GMT
Yeah even though he’s scored some great goals he’s done it because Nichols has played the killer pass or dragged defenders away with his movement. Reilly no where near good enough for this level. Yet Reilly has scored more goals in the fleeting appearances he's made this season than Nichols has scored in his 2 and a half years at the club. Good player though and he's on now so lets hope he's the saviour that we need. Come on axegas, it might seem like it but I think it’s only 1 and a half years. 😉 So far, but to be honest we always look a better team when Tom N plays. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 8, 2019 19:23:00 GMT
Wasn’t at Coventry so cant comment on performance but the stick UPson has taken on here seems a bit unfair. Yes he isn’t the most creative but he never has been and I presume we signed him to be our defensive midfielder. The problem has been all our other midfielders have been non creative and Sercombe hasn’t turned up for the whole season and Lines isn’t picked. Put Upson into a better balanced midfield and I reckon he’d get less criticism.
Without some creativity we will struggle against Bradford and Rochdale so whilst I think we will just about survive I’m not confident about beating those two, even at home. I’m hoping that we don’t lose those and drop behind them. Still squeaky bum time!
UTG!
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Post by oldtoteender on Apr 8, 2019 19:25:59 GMT
I thought Qgogo was awful yesterday (Bad signing in my opinion does not offer anything different than what we already had) and Secombe keeps drifting inside leaving JC stranded, many times they had loads of space on each wing doubling up on us and also we give teams far too much space and time on the ball.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 8, 2019 20:15:03 GMT
Wasn’t at Coventry so cant comment on performance but the stick UPson has taken on here seems a bit unfair. Yes he isn’t the most creative but he never has been and I presume we signed him to be our defensive midfielder. The problem has been all our other midfielders have been non creative and Sercombe hasn’t turned up for the whole season and Lines isn’t picked. Put Upson into a better balanced midfield and I reckon he’d get less criticism. Without some creativity we will struggle against Bradford and Rochdale so whilst I think we will just about survive I’m not confident about beating those two, even at home. I’m hoping that we don’t lose those and drop behind them. Still squeaky bum time! UTG! For me, Upson isn’t good enough on the ball or quick enough to get around. It seemed that every time he got the ball yesterday, he had four or five more touches than necessary before having it pinched off him. |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 8, 2019 20:24:04 GMT
Fair enough Gas-Ed. You were there I wasn’t. Our midfield has been so out of balance this year that Im just thankful we’re not relegated already. I think GC has done wonders with what he’s got in that area of the team.
UTG!
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Post by axegas on Apr 8, 2019 21:08:10 GMT
I said in another thread Upson is inconsistent and he proved that yesterday after generally playing quite well in recent games, obviously must have something about him to have played most of career in L1 and the Championship but we need to see it from him more often . It seems like we have a lot of depth in the midfield area but not a lot of quality, something to look at in the summer.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 8, 2019 23:09:40 GMT
Wasn’t at Coventry so cant comment on performance but the stick UPson has taken on here seems a bit unfair. Yes he isn’t the most creative but he never has been and I presume we signed him to be our defensive midfielder. The problem has been all our other midfielders have been non creative and Sercombe hasn’t turned up for the whole season and Lines isn’t picked. Put Upson into a better balanced midfield and I reckon he’d get less criticism. Without some creativity we will struggle against Bradford and Rochdale so whilst I think we will just about survive I’m not confident about beating those two, even at home. I’m hoping that we don’t lose those and drop behind them. Still squeaky bum time! UTG! Upson has been relegation fodder for L1 teams for the past 3 years and we can see for ourselves why. He is no longer good enough for this league. No disrespect, he was once a championship midfielder, but those days are gone. Not strong enough in the tackle to be a DCM. Can’t do the simple things quick enough in a flat CM role and is in no way creative enough with the ability to deliver a constant spray of good balls either to feet or into space. He is also neither quick enough, technical enough or has the footballing brain to run and create space for himself to be a CAM. IMO he’s not as good as Lines is even though Lines is having an off year, perhaps he is no longer good enough either, but I see no positives to having Upson sat in front of the back 4 not winning balls and giving it away constantly. |
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Post by oddsongas on Apr 9, 2019 3:30:21 GMT
Wasn’t at Coventry so cant comment on performance but the stick UPson has taken on here seems a bit unfair. Yes he isn’t the most creative but he never has been and I presume we signed him to be our defensive midfielder. The problem has been all our other midfielders have been non creative and Sercombe hasn’t turned up for the whole season and Lines isn’t picked. Put Upson into a better balanced midfield and I reckon he’d get less criticism. Without some creativity we will struggle against Bradford and Rochdale so whilst I think we will just about survive I’m not confident about beating those two, even at home. I’m hoping that we don’t lose those and drop behind them. Still squeaky bum time! UTG! For me, Upson isn’t good enough on the ball or quick enough to get around. It seemed that every time he got the ball yesterday, he had four or five more touches than necessary before having it pinched off him. For me he has these touches because he’s one of the few players who had the balls to try and control a football and find a pass instead of smashing it first time out of play like most of the team. Yes this will mean he loses it sometimes but you need people, especially in midfield to try and control the game and play to your own pace. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Apr 9, 2019 5:52:41 GMT
Watching Upson on Saturday he was way better than the rest of the Midfield and way better than the disaster that was The Beard.
Sorry but the Beard is no way near good enough anymore and i think upson would make a good replacement for him next season coming of the Bench to close a game down
Just need to get rid of some more dead wood like Lines and co and draft in some Quality Midfield players like Coventry had on Saturday
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 6:39:35 GMT
For me, Upson isn’t good enough on the ball or quick enough to get around. It seemed that every time he got the ball yesterday, he had four or five more touches than necessary before having it pinched off him. For me he has these touches because he’s one of the few players who had the balls to try and control a football and find a pass instead of smashing it first time out of play like most of the team. Yes this will mean he loses it sometimes but you need people, especially in midfield to try and control the game and play to your own pace. This! He is forced to hang onto the ball because there is nobody in the side creative enough to do anything with it! |
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