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Post by Hudson1883 on Apr 9, 2019 7:48:34 GMT
Upson has pulled in some decent performances this second half of the season. Particularly the last month or two. I often wonder what game people are watching, whilst they stand beside me lambasting him during what is actually a decent showing.
We’ve come up against Luton, Doncaster & Coventry the last couple of weeks. By far superior opposition, the league table/performances by both sides and results show this, I just think people have lost their minds a little bit & too quickly forgetting the way we applied ourselves (and took decent wins/draw) against Southend, Scunthorpe, Blackpool, Charlton & Plymouth etc...
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 9, 2019 8:10:57 GMT
Upson has pulled in some decent performances this second half of the season. Particularly the last month or two. I often wonder what game people are watching, whilst they stand beside me lambasting him during what is actually a decent showing. We’ve come up against Luton, Doncaster & Coventry the last couple of weeks. By far superior opposition, the league table/performances by both sides and results show this, I just think people have lost their minds a little bit & too quickly forgetting the way we applied ourselves (and took decent wins/draw) against Southend, Scunthorpe, Blackpool, Charlton & Plymouth etc... Hes also had more than his fair share of terrible performances. You highlighted superior opposition with teams that sit 1st, 6th and 9th in L1. Luton are having a cracking year, no doubt about it, but we should be competing with Luton, Donny and Coventry, not seeing them as superior. We should be looking to sign players similar to them. Compare Upson with Luke Thomas at Coventry, or Ben Whiteman at Donny, who would you rather have? Far superior players but ones within our grasp. Even a 38 year old James Coppinger out battled us the other week. That is why we need a good clear out. The halcyon days of having a squad full of players who rely on team spirit to power them through are gone. L1 is getting ever more technical footballing wise and you can't rely on what we had previously in this league. You get outplayed. |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 9, 2019 11:52:26 GMT
Wasn’t at Coventry so cant comment on performance but the stick UPson has taken on here seems a bit unfair. Yes he isn’t the most creative but he never has been and I presume we signed him to be our defensive midfielder. The problem has been all our other midfielders have been non creative and Sercombe hasn’t turned up for the whole season and Lines isn’t picked. Put Upson into a better balanced midfield and I reckon he’d get less criticism. Without some creativity we will struggle against Bradford and Rochdale so whilst I think we will just about survive I’m not confident about beating those two, even at home. I’m hoping that we don’t lose those and drop behind them. Still squeaky bum time! UTG! Upson has been relegation fodder for L1 teams for the past 3 years and we can see for ourselves why. He is no longer good enough for this league. No disrespect, he was once a championship midfielder, but those days are gone. Not strong enough in the tackle to be a DCM. Can’t do the simple things quick enough in a flat CM role and is in no way creative enough with the ability to deliver a constant spray of good balls either to feet or into space. He is also neither quick enough, technical enough or has the footballing brain to run and create space for himself to be a CAM. IMO he’s not as good as Lines is even though Lines is having an off year, perhaps he is no longer good enough either, but I see no positives to having Upson sat in front of the back 4 not winning balls and giving it away constantly. Your opinion ok. Against Luton I thought he was one of our better players. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 9, 2019 12:09:29 GMT
Upson has pulled in some decent performances this second half of the season. Particularly the last month or two. I often wonder what game people are watching, whilst they stand beside me lambasting him during what is actually a decent showing. We’ve come up against Luton, Doncaster & Coventry the last couple of weeks. By far superior opposition, the league table/performances by both sides and results show this, I just think people have lost their minds a little bit & too quickly forgetting the way we applied ourselves (and took decent wins/draw) against Southend, Scunthorpe, Blackpool, Charlton & Plymouth etc... Hes also had more than his fair share of terrible performances. You highlighted superior opposition with teams that sit 1st, 6th and 9th in L1. Luton are having a cracking year, no doubt about it, but we should be competing with Luton, Donny and Coventry, not seeing them as superior. We should be looking to sign players similar to them. Compare Upson with Luke Thomas at Coventry, or Ben Whiteman at Donny, who would you rather have? Far superior players but ones within our grasp. Even a 38 year old James Coppinger out battled us the other week. That is why we need a good clear out. The halcyon days of having a squad full of players who rely on team spirit to power them through are gone. L1 is getting ever more technical footballing wise and you can't rely on what we had previously in this league. You get outplayed.Probably right about the standard in L1 but having a good clear out seems to be the default position taken when we have a bad season and it rarely ends up being a good thing for Rovers. PTs clear out was a disaster the earlier clear outs after Ollie went led to a disastrous decline in our fortunes in the early noughties. We have not been beaten heavily this season by too many teams, Doncaster being the exception, and many of the losses have been by fine margins. Rather than generalising about a “clear out” we need to strengthen certain areas and were we to do that we would compete in this league. A keeper, a RB who can attack and be a better version of Dan L, some creativity in midfield and some width and a back up striker to help JCH and Tom N. Our defence has been very good and whilst our attack has been mediocre they haven’t been provided with many chances with that midfield. Our team has been so out of balance for the whole season but GC has concentrated on making us a hard team to beat and has done the best he can with what he’s got, too much mediocrity and not enough quality. UTG! |
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 9, 2019 13:15:15 GMT
Hes also had more than his fair share of terrible performances. You highlighted superior opposition with teams that sit 1st, 6th and 9th in L1. Luton are having a cracking year, no doubt about it, but we should be competing with Luton, Donny and Coventry, not seeing them as superior. We should be looking to sign players similar to them. Compare Upson with Luke Thomas at Coventry, or Ben Whiteman at Donny, who would you rather have? Far superior players but ones within our grasp. Even a 38 year old James Coppinger out battled us the other week. That is why we need a good clear out. The halcyon days of having a squad full of players who rely on team spirit to power them through are gone. L1 is getting ever more technical footballing wise and you can't rely on what we had previously in this league. You get outplayed.Probably right about the standard in L1 but having a good clear out seems to be the default position taken when we have a bad season and it rarely ends up being a good thing for Rovers. PTs clear out was a disaster the earlier clear outs after Ollie went led to a disastrous decline in our fortunes in the early noughties. We have not been beaten heavily this season by too many teams, Doncaster being the exception, and many of the losses have been by fine margins. Rather than generalising about a “clear out” we need to strengthen certain areas and were we to do that we would compete in this league. A keeper, a RB who can attack and be a better version of Dan L, some creativity in midfield and some width and a back up striker to help JCH and Tom N. Our defence has been very good and whilst our attack has been mediocre they haven’t been provided with many chances with that midfield. Our team has been so out of balance for the whole season but GC has concentrated on making us a hard team to beat and has done the best he can with what he’s got, too much mediocrity and not enough quality. UTG! Yes, I can see all sides of this conundrum. The old 'we can have a clear out' phrase is usually the sign of a crap manager, and even crap fans. The problem with quality over quantity is that our quality players always then leave, and replacing them messes us up, and takes time and effort and possibly money. Until we become a well run and well resourced club that will happen every bloody time. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 9, 2019 14:21:54 GMT
Upson has pulled in some decent performances this second half of the season. Particularly the last month or two. I often wonder what game people are watching, whilst they stand beside me lambasting him during what is actually a decent showing. We’ve come up against Luton, Doncaster & Coventry the last couple of weeks. By far superior opposition, the league table/performances by both sides and results show this, I just think people have lost their minds a little bit & too quickly forgetting the way we applied ourselves (and took decent wins/draw) against Southend, Scunthorpe, Blackpool, Charlton & Plymouth etc... Hes also had more than his fair share of terrible performances. You highlighted superior opposition with teams that sit 1st, 6th and 9th in L1. Luton are having a cracking year, no doubt about it, but we should be competing with Luton, Donny and Coventry, not seeing them as superior. We should be looking to sign players similar to them. Compare Upson with Luke Thomas at Coventry, or Ben Whiteman at Donny, who would you rather have? Far superior players but ones within our grasp. Even a 38 year old James Coppinger out battled us the other week. That is why we need a good clear out. The halcyon days of having a squad full of players who rely on team spirit to power them through are gone. L1 is getting ever more technical footballing wise and you can't rely on what we had previously in this league. You get outplayed. We're really paying now for DC having a shocker last January/in the summer with recruitment, Mensah, Bennett, Payne, Mathews are all not good enough and Rodman & THD seem to have missed more games than they've played ditto Leadbitter. That's really 7 players wages wasted, 9 if you include the 2 goalies doing zilch all season. Reilly also seems a gamble when Nichols wasn't scoring and the only other striker was loanee Jakubiak |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 14:29:17 GMT
Hes also had more than his fair share of terrible performances. You highlighted superior opposition with teams that sit 1st, 6th and 9th in L1. Luton are having a cracking year, no doubt about it, but we should be competing with Luton, Donny and Coventry, not seeing them as superior. We should be looking to sign players similar to them. Compare Upson with Luke Thomas at Coventry, or Ben Whiteman at Donny, who would you rather have? Far superior players but ones within our grasp. Even a 38 year old James Coppinger out battled us the other week. That is why we need a good clear out. The halcyon days of having a squad full of players who rely on team spirit to power them through are gone. L1 is getting ever more technical footballing wise and you can't rely on what we had previously in this league. You get outplayed. We're really paying now for DC having a shocker last January/in the summer with recruitment, Mensah, Bennett, Payne, Mathews are all not good enough and Rodman & THD seem to have missed more games than they've played ditto Leadbitter. That's really 7 players wages wasted, 9 if you include the 2 goalies doing zilch all season. Reilly also seems a gamble when Nichols wasn't scoring and the only other striker was loanee Jakubiak Yeah and don’t forget partington,Sinclair taking up valuable wages who aren’t good enough for league one. |
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Post by markczgas on Apr 9, 2019 14:30:35 GMT
Hes also had more than his fair share of terrible performances. You highlighted superior opposition with teams that sit 1st, 6th and 9th in L1. Luton are having a cracking year, no doubt about it, but we should be competing with Luton, Donny and Coventry, not seeing them as superior. We should be looking to sign players similar to them. Compare Upson with Luke Thomas at Coventry, or Ben Whiteman at Donny, who would you rather have? Far superior players but ones within our grasp. Even a 38 year old James Coppinger out battled us the other week. That is why we need a good clear out. The halcyon days of having a squad full of players who rely on team spirit to power them through are gone. L1 is getting ever more technical footballing wise and you can't rely on what we had previously in this league. You get outplayed. We're really paying now for DC having a shocker last January/in the summer with recruitment, Mensah, Bennett, Payne, Mathews are all not good enough and Rodman & THD seem to have missed more games than they've played ditto Leadbitter. That's really 7 players wages wasted, 9 if you include the 2 goalies doing zilch all season. Reilly also seems a gamble when Nichols wasn't scoring and the only other striker was loanee Jakubiak So Topper you want a clear out ? You don't seem to have time for many of our players  |
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Post by markczgas on Apr 9, 2019 14:41:26 GMT
But we're probably two wins short of being mid table so it's hardly half the team not good enough, we just lack attack minded players with Rodman & THD out injured, Lines out of favour/form. In my opinion, Kelly, Ogogo, Upson, Sinclair and Reilly are all out of their depth in this division. I can understand you naming these players - and in some games thet have been out of their depth. I'd counter that Kelly and Reilly are playing in their first seasons at L1 - and I'd say in a good handful of games they've shown promise - could they improve next season ? Upson (has been our best midfielder this season - really impressed in 3 or 4 Home games but sometimes, especially Away hasn't looked so good. Ogogo, has toughened up our midfield - strong in the tackle and gets about the pitch - a younger/slightly better version of Sinclair !? re: Reilly, Jakubiak is not our player - has he done enough to be signed by us (if that's possible) ? for me he's been about the same level as Reilly. So that's why I'd keep Reilly as a back up and sign one striker who hopefully can be the main partner for JCH. So of those 5, I think Rovers should persevere with 4 of them and only release Sincs - sad for me to say as he bleeds Blue but think he's on the decline now. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Apr 9, 2019 14:44:52 GMT
I blame the manager myself
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Post by Marshy on Apr 9, 2019 14:59:22 GMT
I blame the manager myself I blame Nichols  |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 9, 2019 15:24:03 GMT
Hes also had more than his fair share of terrible performances. You highlighted superior opposition with teams that sit 1st, 6th and 9th in L1. Luton are having a cracking year, no doubt about it, but we should be competing with Luton, Donny and Coventry, not seeing them as superior. We should be looking to sign players similar to them. Compare Upson with Luke Thomas at Coventry, or Ben Whiteman at Donny, who would you rather have? Far superior players but ones within our grasp. Even a 38 year old James Coppinger out battled us the other week. That is why we need a good clear out. The halcyon days of having a squad full of players who rely on team spirit to power them through are gone. L1 is getting ever more technical footballing wise and you can't rely on what we had previously in this league. You get outplayed.Probably right about the standard in L1 but having a good clear out seems to be the default position taken when we have a bad season and it rarely ends up being a good thing for Rovers. PTs clear out was a disaster the earlier clear outs after Ollie went led to a disastrous decline in our fortunes in the early noughties. We have not been beaten heavily this season by too many teams, Doncaster being the exception, and many of the losses have been by fine margins. Rather than generalising about a “clear out” we need to strengthen certain areas and were we to do that we would compete in this league. A keeper, a RB who can attack and be a better version of Dan L, some creativity in midfield and some width and a back up striker to help JCH and Tom N. Our defence has been very good and whilst our attack has been mediocre they haven’t been provided with many chances with that midfield. Our team has been so out of balance for the whole season but GC has concentrated on making us a hard team to beat and has done the best he can with what he’s got, too much mediocrity and not enough quality. UTG! Fair points Wareham, and a good clear out and mass signings also can sting other clubs. Bury last year, Scunny and Bradford this year. However when i say clear out, we look at the ones that currently see them as no good enough for L1 on a week in week out basis. Players like Upson (IMO), Parts, Craig, Nichols, for example. Look at the ones where you know that over a season they wouldn't be good enough in their own right, but they can do a job as a sub in any circumstances or have a potential to improve, those are the ones to keep, players like Micheal Kelly, Sinclair, Reilly. Add those to the natural departures that will be Slocombe, Smith, Bennett, Jakubiak and theres 8 players to find, and there are players out there, as Wes will tell you, that we could get in that will be a vast improvement on what we already have that would make us a much better and well balanced side. DC got the last few windows wrong, trying to find the next Billy Bodin going for depth over quality. Thats ok when you have a strong spine but when you lose players like Bodin and Harrison in 2 consecutive windows then you will be in trouble. Basically we did what Ipswich have done in the championship this year. Gone for the cheap lower league options hoping they could all step up. |
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