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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 3, 2020 10:36:11 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club?
At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it!
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Post by alanrg on Jul 3, 2020 10:40:59 GMT
Yet another thread about Ben Garner give it a rest and get a life
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 10:43:43 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! No, in my opinion he's completely out of his depth and should have gone prior to lockdown. I find it odd that people are so passive towards how poorly he's done. -Rovers were fourth in League One when Garner was appointed on 35 points (23/12/2020), Rovers ended the season in fourteenth on 45 points. No EFL club slid more places in 2020. -In League games Rovers have averaged a goal scored every 160 minutes while conceding every 53 minutes. -Rovers are bottom of the League One form table since Garner's appointment on goal difference from Bolton. P16 W2 D5 L9 GF9 GA25 GD-16 Pts11 Relegated Southend managed 2 more points with one less game. -Rovers with 9 goals have the fewest goals scored by any Football League and Premier League team in their last 16 games (league games since Garner took over). Norwich - 10 Bournemouth - 11 Stevenage - 12 Macclesfield - 13 -Since Ben Garner took over as Bristol Rovers manager, Rovers have average 45.9% possession in the League. They have only had over 50% in 5 games out of 16. -Garner 12.5% has the second worst win percentage of any manager in Bristol Rovers history, only better than Martin Dobson 8.3%. -Garner 0.69 has the third worst PPG of any manager in Bristol Rovers history (based on 3 points for a win), only better than Martin Dobson 0.41 and Dave Penney 0.61. -Given a full season at his current rate Rovers would earn 31.6 points. That's enough to get us relegated as the bottom League One club every season bar 2000/01 Oxford United, 2004/05 and 2009/10 Stockport County. This would equate to the worst season since 1980/81 when Rovers were relegated from the 2nd tier with 23 points. -Ben Garner has never won an away match. -Rovers were in 2 cup competitions when Garner took over, 22 days later the club had been knocked out of both at the first hurdle. -Rovers were knocked out of the EFL Trophy by Stevenage who would later be relegated out of the Football League. That win was one of Stevenage's 6 in 45 games. -Garner's Rovers went 558 minutes without a goal, the second longest period in the clubs history and longest for 99 years. They came within 60 seconds of beating it. (Stolen from a little thread I'd made on twitter talking about how appalling he's been).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 10:54:24 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! No, in my opinion he's completely out of his depth and should have gone prior to lockdown. I find it odd that people are so passive towards how poorly he's done. -Rovers were fourth in League One when Garner was appointed on 35 points (23/12/2020), Rovers ended the season in fourteenth on 45 points. No EFL club slid more places in 2020. -In League games Rovers have averaged a goal scored every 160 minutes while conceding every 53 minutes. -Rovers are bottom of the League One form table since Garner's appointment on goal difference from Bolton. P16 W2 D5 L9 GF9 GA25 GD-16 Pts11 Relegated Southend managed 2 more points with one less game. -Rovers with 9 goals have the fewest goals scored by any Football League and Premier League team in their last 16 games (league games since Garner took over). Norwich - 10 Bournemouth - 11 Stevenage - 12 Macclesfield - 13 -Since Ben Garner took over as Bristol Rovers manager, Rovers have average 45.9% possession in the League. They have only had over 50% in 5 games out of 16. -Garner 12.5% has the second worst win percentage of any manager in Bristol Rovers history, only better than Martin Dobson 8.3%. -Garner 0.69 has the third worst PPG of any manager in Bristol Rovers history (based on 3 points for a win), only better than Martin Dobson 0.41 and Dave Penney 0.61. -Given a full season at his current rate Rovers would earn 31.6 points. That's enough to get us relegated as the bottom League One club every season bar 2000/01 Oxford United, 2004/05 and 2009/10 Stockport County. This would equate to the worst season since 1980/81 when Rovers were relegated from the 2nd tier with 23 points. -Ben Garner has never won an away match. -Rovers were in 2 cup competitions when Garner took over, 22 days later the club had been knocked out of both at the first hurdle. -Rovers were knocked out of the EFL Trophy by Stevenage who would later be relegated out of the Football League. That win was one of Stevenage's 6 in 45 games. -Garner's Rovers went 558 minutes without a goal, the second longest period in the clubs history and longest for 99 years. They came within 60 seconds of beating it. (Stolen from a little thread I'd made on twitter talking about how appalling he's been). I was having a good day...
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Jul 3, 2020 10:59:37 GMT
He's not even managed for half a season, bored of reading these posts, they're for the people who love to wallow in depression.
Who knows, maybe he'll be the worst we've ever seen but at least give the guy a half season with the team he produces before we start slagging him off
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 3, 2020 11:09:22 GMT
He's not even managed for half a season, bored of reading these posts, they're for the people who love to wallow in depression. Who knows, maybe he'll be the worst we've ever seen but at least give the guy a half season with the team he produces before we start slagging him off Not at all. It's for those that can face the reality of where we currently are. I'm guessing you can't think of anyone? I'm genuinely interested if someone can come up with an answer or a few answers, might give me something to cling on to!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 3, 2020 11:10:19 GMT
Thing is, he came in, had a half-season luxury bedding-in period, which was awful. So now we've squandered that luxury, we still have, effectively, a new manager with a newish team that we need to back for this season. I don't see anything to gain by not giving the guy a clean slate, even if I had had enough of him by Shrewsbury.
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 11:10:35 GMT
He's not even managed for half a season, bored of reading these posts, they're for the people who love to wallow in depression. Who knows, maybe he'll be the worst we've ever seen but at least give the guy a half season with the team he produces before we start slagging him off I've clearly stated he's not the worst we've ever seen, probably the second worst.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 3, 2020 11:11:33 GMT
Not sure if any manager has recovered to be a success from such a long period, however there are examples of managers that have started poorly before going on to be a success. Philippe Cocu at Derby this season. Thomas Frank had a dire start at Brentford before going onto stabilise them and they've gone from strength to strength.
I eventually fell into the "Garner Out" camp after the Southend game, but now that we've had this enforced extended break, it could have been a blessing in disguise for us, and particularly for BG. I'm all for giving him an opportunity with his own squad and having had a pre-season under his belt. I'm excited to see what we can do under him once next season eventually starts.
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 3, 2020 11:21:31 GMT
Relax peeps , I reckon we will be in the Championship next season. Wigan is just the beginning. Wot no gap 🤪
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Jul 3, 2020 11:22:58 GMT
We had an incredible first half of the season, but can you honestly look back on it without thinking "hang on ... we were so lucky and at times punching WAY Above our expectations" we went through three different managers all with differing styles and the team were meant to adjust every time, its little wonder things went south eventually, if we're talking realistic, we're realistically in a good place, what with all the changes that have happened, financially, training ground, and PLEASE a stadium with amazing transport links that will make the red half green. realistically we've got money in the bank and probably the best players available that have been seen since god knows when, If we get them is a different story. For the first time in so many years we have so much to be positive about, let's be negative when we have need to be, when we have reasons
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 3, 2020 11:23:03 GMT
Thing is, he came in, had a half-season luxury bedding-in period, which was awful. So now we've squandered that luxury, we still have, effectively, a new manager with a newish team that we need to back for this season. I don't see anything to gain by not giving the guy a clean slate, even if I had had enough of him by Shrewsbury. True and he will be giving a clean slate to an extent. I think the start of next season will be massive for him though. Fans will soon remember this/last season if we don't start well.
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 11:24:46 GMT
Thing is, he came in, had a half-season luxury bedding-in period, which was awful. So now we've squandered that luxury, we still have, effectively, a new manager with a newish team that we need to back for this season. I don't see anything to gain by not giving the guy a clean slate, even if I had had enough of him by Shrewsbury. True and he will be giving a clean slate to an extent. I think the start of next season will be massive for him though. Fans will soon remember this/last season if we don't start well. He's about the only person in the world given more job security during the Pandemic.
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Post by oldgas on Jul 3, 2020 11:24:48 GMT
I remember driving home from the New Year’s Day thrashing wondering where all the fight and spirit from Coughlins team had gone, and roundly cursing the man for kicking us in the teeth and going to Mansfield. Subsequent performances and results were underwhelming, but I walked out of the Mem after the Sunderland game wondering if perhaps a corner had been turned as there had been indications that the players were starting to ‘get’ Garners style, Noticeable were the performances of The Beast and Jayson Lawson. Rodders had been effective and young Hargreaves had come on and run them ragged.
Then Covid struck and we will never know.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 3, 2020 11:25:54 GMT
I’m going to turn this into the Ben Garner out of his depth obsessed thread.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jul 3, 2020 11:27:45 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! How about a guy called Alex Ferguson? He did okay as I recall, after a rocky start... 😉
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 3, 2020 11:27:56 GMT
We had an incredible first half of the season, but can you honestly look back on it without thinking "hang on ... we were so lucky and at times punching WAY Above our expectations" we went through three different managers all with differing styles and the team were meant to adjust every time, its little wonder things went south eventually, if we're talking realistic, we're realistically in a good place, what with all the changes that have happened, financially, training ground, and PLEASE a stadium with amazing transport links that will make the red half green. realistically we've got money in the bank and probably the best players available that have been seen since god knows when, If we get them is a different story. For the first time in so many years we have so much to be positive about, let's be negative when we have need to be, when we have reasons I think people confuse realism with negativity. We might have reasons to be positive but those reasons are down to Wael not Garner. I really hope we turn it around. I just struggle to see how such a bad start can be turned around. This break could be a blessing in disguise but that is pure hope not expectation.
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Post by Russgas on Jul 3, 2020 11:28:46 GMT
Alex ferguson. EDIT.. Ha beat me too it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 3, 2020 11:28:47 GMT
Not sure if any manager has recovered to be success from such a long period, however there are examples of managers that have started poorly before going on to be a success. Philippe Cocu at Derby this season. Thomas Frank had a dire start at Brentford before going onto stabilise them and they've gone from strength to strength. I eventually fell into the "Garner Out" camp after the Southend game, but now that we've had this enforced extended break, it could have been a blessing in disguise for us, and particularly for BG. I'm all for giving him an opportunity with his own squad and having had a pre-season under his belt. I'm excited to see what we can do under him once next season eventually starts. Wilder at Sheff U, 1 point from four games, and out of all the cups early. He did ok in the end.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 3, 2020 11:30:57 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! How about a guy called Alex Ferguson? He did okay as I recall, after a rocky start... 😉 Did think about him but how bad was he at the start?
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