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Post by yattongas on Jul 3, 2020 14:13:40 GMT
No denying his record has been appalling so far . He was lucky in the fact we had enough points in the bag to survive relatively easily.
But...... he’s here now and has a clean slate as far as I’m concerned. He can get in his own players , to play his style . I’d give him to November time and if we’re in the bottom 6 I’d sack him. Let’s give him a ( second )chance .
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 14:18:51 GMT
No denying his record has been appalling so far . He was lucky in the fact we had enough points in the bag to survive relatively easily. But...... he’s here now and has a clean slate as far as I’m concerned. He can get in his own players , to play his style . I’d give him to November time and if we’re in the bottom 6 I’d sack him. Let’s give him a ( second )chance . Why though? Genuine question.
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Post by graceyboy on Jul 3, 2020 14:25:10 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! Darrell Clarke took us out of the football league in his first season and I seem to remember that he redeemed himself pretty well
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 3, 2020 14:33:37 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! Darrell Clarke took us out of the football league in his first season and I seem to remember that he redeemed himself pretty well 12 games with a side that had already collapsed. Then he got a chance to make his own squad which needed time to gel. DC was proven at non league level and had contacts ready to build up a squad and players he’d worked with before. Garner took over a squad sat in 4th with terrific form and turned it on it’s head, tanking us with relegation form. We’re fortunate for the headroom GC had bought us. His players that he’s bought in, handy they may be on their own have not turned our form around. BG has no experience of first team management. Can we turn this around? Can those who support BG give us a reason as to what they’ve actually seen consistently (not just in a single match vs Sunderland which for whatever reason is an outlier) as to what credentials he has which mean he’s going to make it as a manager.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 3, 2020 14:34:25 GMT
No denying his record has been appalling so far . He was lucky in the fact we had enough points in the bag to survive relatively easily. But...... he’s here now and has a clean slate as far as I’m concerned. He can get in his own players , to play his style . I’d give him to November time and if we’re in the bottom 6 I’d sack him. Let’s give him a ( second )chance . Why though? Genuine question. Quite. At least Widdrington is looking after recruitment and has an eye for a player as we’ve already seen.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 14:44:05 GMT
absolute nonsense being written on here and a lot of u r clueless Do u hav a cntr argmnt 2 ppl or r u jus going 2 b rude? BGs rcrd so far isnt that gr8 is it?
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Post by CrispPusher on Jul 3, 2020 14:50:34 GMT
The scary thing is Mr 0.6875ppg has seen us lose both the captain and de facto captain from the squad that had us up to 4th in the league, which he still managed to fail miserably with. Believe BG would've been relieved of his duties had the season continued so very concerning that he's going to be given the job of putting together a squad.
Hoping it all works out but I've not seen a shred of evidence that it will, particularly as 3 of the best performers on the night against Sunderland are no longer with us (Craig, Clarke, JML).
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 14:51:53 GMT
As an interesting aside, here's the record compared to DC's last 16 games... DC P 16 W 3 D 5 L 8 GF 9 GA 16 Pts 14 PPG 0.875 W% 18.17 BG P 16 W 2 D 5 L 9 GF 9 GA 25 Pts 11 PPG 0.647 W% 12.5 Yet, most agreed on here that it was time for DC to go.
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Post by yattongas on Jul 3, 2020 14:53:01 GMT
No denying his record has been appalling so far . He was lucky in the fact we had enough points in the bag to survive relatively easily. But...... he’s here now and has a clean slate as far as I’m concerned. He can get in his own players , to play his style . I’d give him to November time and if we’re in the bottom 6 I’d sack him. Let’s give him a ( second )chance . Why though? Genuine question. He should of been sacked before the Sunderland win . He’s obviously a highly rated coach but as we know great coaches often don’t make great managers but Wael seems to want to keep him and it’s his money and head on the block backing his horse (donkey?) So rather than rail against him ( garner) I prefer to get behind him from the start of this new season and see how well he can do with his own players.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 3, 2020 14:54:27 GMT
As an interesting aside, here's the record compared to DC's last 16 games... DC P 16 W 3 D 5 L 8 GF 9 GA 16 Pts 14 PPG 0.875 W% 18.17 BC P 16 W 2 D 5 L 9 GF 9 GA 25 Pts 11 PPG 0.647 W% 12.5 Yet, most agreed on here that it was time for DC to go. If we have DC's record by December the 15th it will defintiely be time for BG to go. If anything DC had a few games too many coz of his record with us. For the same reason, BG will get a few games less. In any case, it's fair to say the majority of us were all for sticking with DC after a relegation and only a couple of wins the previous season, so the new season clean slate isn't a thing we've just invented.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 14:55:01 GMT
Why though? Genuine question. He should of been sacked before the Sunderland win . He’s obviously a highly rated coach but as we know great coaches often don’t make great managers but Wael seems to want to keep him and it’s his money and head on the block backing his horse (donkey?) So rather than rail against him ( garner) I prefer to get behind him from the start of this new season and see how well he can do with his own players. No one is suggesting we dont get behind him, just that hes been a bit sh** so far.
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Post by CrispPusher on Jul 3, 2020 14:55:19 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! Darrell Clarke took us out of the football league in his first season and I seem to remember that he redeemed himself pretty well Darrell Clarke had already proven himself to be a very competent manager at Salisbury however, so incomparable to Mr 0.6875ppg.
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Post by yattongas on Jul 3, 2020 14:57:52 GMT
He should of been sacked before the Sunderland win . He’s obviously a highly rated coach but as we know great coaches often don’t make great managers but Wael seems to want to keep him and it’s his money and head on the block backing his horse (donkey?) So rather than rail against him ( garner) I prefer to get behind him from the start of this new season and see how well he can do with his own players. No one is suggesting we dont get behind him, just that hes been a bit sh** so far. Yep I’m not arguing that as the evidence is overwhelming! But he’s not going anywhere by the looks of things , so let’s look forwards not backwards
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Post by badengas on Jul 3, 2020 15:11:56 GMT
What would be an acceptable finish next season ? Stay up, mid table, just miss the play offs, promotion ? I want the latter but wouldn't sack BG if we sat mid table.
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Post by yattongas on Jul 3, 2020 15:18:23 GMT
What would be an acceptable finish next season ? Stay up, mid table, just miss the play offs, promotion ? I want the latter but wouldn't sack BG if we sat mid table. I’d be happy with top half but only if there was genuine signs of improvement in playing style / excitement! Seems a long time since we rocked up at the Mem to watch some exciting attacking football. I miss that feeling 😥
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 15:18:57 GMT
What would be an acceptable finish next season ? Stay up, mid table, just miss the play offs, promotion ? I want the latter but wouldn't sack BG if we sat mid table. Depends on the budget I guess. If he signs kids then mid table will be ok. If he puts together a reasonable squad for this level then top 10 would be good. Anything below 15th would probably be a failure.
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Post by yattongas on Jul 3, 2020 15:23:12 GMT
What would be an acceptable finish next season ? Stay up, mid table, just miss the play offs, promotion ? I want the latter but wouldn't sack BG if we sat mid table. Depends on the budget I guess. If he signs kids then mid table will be ok. If he puts together a reasonable squad for this level then top 10 would be good. Anything below 15th would probably be a failure. Are you going to go next season ( if allowed) Hugo? I remember reading you were thinking of jacking it in as you were so disillusioned
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 3, 2020 15:25:40 GMT
Darrell Clarke took us out of the football league in his first season and I seem to remember that he redeemed himself pretty well 12 games with a side that had already collapsed. Then he got a chance to make his own squad which needed time to gel. DC was proven at non league level and had contacts ready to build up a squad and players he’d worked with before. Garner took over a squad sat in 4th with terrific form and turned it on it’s head, tanking us with relegation form. We’re fortunate for the headroom GC had bought us. His players that he’s bought in, handy they may be on their own have not turned our form around. BG has no experience of first team management. Can we turn this around? Can those who support BG give us a reason as to what they’ve actually seen consistently (not just in a single match vs Sunderland which for whatever reason is an outlier) as to what credentials he has which mean he’s going to make it as a manager. There's three things, firstly, Wael (& MS?) must see something in his management style that they think he can be a success, and BG's somehow, seemingly, convinced Wael he needs to spend £2m+ on a training ground and you also assume build a new squad, which in truth probably really needed doing two season's ago. Secondly, what else can fans do but back BG and hope he's a success, it's not like shopping at Tesco's etc where if you don't like the store manager you can shop elsewhere. What good is continually hoping he's a failure going to achieve if you actually watch Rovers play. Thirdly, there's no signs our best players want to leave, Jaakkola, Kilgour and JCH, not yet anyway as far as the latter two players are concerned.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 15:29:39 GMT
Depends on the budget I guess. If he signs kids then mid table will be ok. If he puts together a reasonable squad for this level then top 10 would be good. Anything below 15th would probably be a failure. Are you going to go next season ( if allowed) Hugo? I remember reading you were thinking of jacking it in as you were so disillusioned I haven't renewed either of my STs for the first time in 5 or 6 seasons. I probably won't go much next year if at all. We were poor under DC at the end, Coughlanball was horrible to watch and Garner has been pathetic so far. I remain disillusioned with football in general to be honest. I don't really know why I still use the forum lol. One of the reasons I quit modding. Didnt seem fair to mod a forum for something I've lost interest in.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 3, 2020 15:39:52 GMT
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