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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 3, 2020 21:40:28 GMT
Just my opinion of course but I think it was more than just two good finishes that separated the two sides tonight. I was disappointed with our performance, we started brightly but for long periods of that game we passed the ball around slowly, not really creating anything that would pose too much of a threat to the Peterborough defence. We were in the game but it feels like just a couple of goals is enough to defeat us at the moment, we don’t score enough ourselves. Agreed, but it took them two quality attacks to make it stick and hit the back of the net. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 3, 2020 21:40:56 GMT
Every game has the same pattern = good first 10 mins, have a chance, fade badly. HT. Good first 10 mins, maybe have a chance, fade badly. FT.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 3, 2020 21:45:21 GMT
Every game has the same pattern = good first 10 mins, have a chance, fade badly. HT. Good first 10 mins, maybe have a chance, fade badly. FT. I've noticed this, we have a brief period of intensity where we look dangerous, then the players either run out of steam or ideas or both. |
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Post by LJG on Nov 3, 2020 21:45:31 GMT
We just lost 2-0 to a team who bought OUR best asset for 1 million- a fee which we’ve never paid even half as much for a player. No surprise we struggle to live with them in terms of final third domination. Granted JCH may not have been the pick today, but undoubtedly we spent time thinking about how to keep him quiet, which in turn probably gave space to other players to do the damage. Not to mention they also have Dembele who will be shredding teams all season. Beaten by a better team, but over all not beaten by all that much.
When we get a run against a few of the lesser teams I’m confident we will be sat upper mid table. Probably about right. UTG VIrtually beaten 3-0 by a team who hardly seemed to get out of first gear and who also missed a few chances. Is mid table really good enough when BG apparently has a decent wage budget/GC had us inside the top 6. What is "virtually beaten 3-0"? Do they go in the dressing room afterwards and put headsets on to pretend they scored a third? |
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Post by james246 on Nov 3, 2020 21:47:49 GMT
The Posh looked an accomplished team and are going places, I think they will win the league.
From the Rovers perspective Ehmer was very good playing in his natural position (centrally in the back three).
I must say I liked the look of Koiki, I think he can be a real player and Oztumer must now start games not simply come on when the match is lost, our strikers will get better service with him on the field for 90 minutes.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 3, 2020 21:58:28 GMT
Garner’s lack of proactive management in matches like tonight is starting to concern me.
We looked toothless & ineffective in the second half, barely created a chance, and yet all BG could muster was a few like-for-like subs (again).
If a game was getting away from us under DC, he’d change the shape, give the opposition something completely new to deal with & often swing the momentum of the match in our favour. That’s management.
Why not take off a CB and go 4-3-3 for the last 30 minutes tonight? At least Posh would have been caught off guard by it.
But no, we just carried on in the exact same pattern as the rest of the game, with Posh getting more and more on top, and went down with a whimper.
Inspiring stuff.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 3, 2020 22:00:12 GMT
We lost because my match day thread was hijacked, simple as.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Nov 3, 2020 22:02:36 GMT
Garner’s lack of proactive management in matches like tonight is starting to concern me. We looked toothless & ineffective in the second half, barely created a chance, and yet all BG could muster was a few like-for-like subs (again). If a game was getting away from us under DC, he’d change the shape, give the opposition something completely new to deal with & often swing the momentum of the match in our favour. That’s management. Why not take off a CB and go 4-3-3 for the last 30 minutes tonight? At least Posh would have been caught off guard by it. But no, we just carried on in the exact same pattern as the rest of the game, with Posh getting more and more on top, and went down with a whimper. Inspiring stuff. Don’t worry though, cos it was a top team and no one expected us to get anything from the game, so really it doesn’t actually count . . . |
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Post by justin blue on Nov 3, 2020 22:06:40 GMT
Bit disappointed tonight to be honest. I was hoping we could be competitive and at least give them a game. Tonight showed how far we still have to go to compete with the likes of Peterborough United.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Nov 3, 2020 22:08:22 GMT
Garner’s lack of proactive management in matches like tonight is starting to concern me. We looked toothless & ineffective in the second half, barely created a chance, and yet all BG could muster was a few like-for-like subs (again). If a game was getting away from us under DC, he’d change the shape, give the opposition something completely new to deal with & often swing the momentum of the match in our favour. That’s management. Why not take off a CB and go 4-3-3 for the last 30 minutes tonight? At least Posh would have been caught off guard by it. But no, we just carried on in the exact same pattern as the rest of the game, with Posh getting more and more on top, and went down with a whimper. Inspiring stuff. I agree with the fact Garner dosent change shape and i agree that sometimes you need to take a gamble and take a centre back off if we are losing and have ago. 433 would have left us more vulnerable on the break but we were 2 down and losing so why not roll the dice. Maybe it's inexperience maybe it's a fear of losing 4 or 5 nil and getting absolutely slaughtered by everyone. |
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 3, 2020 22:09:15 GMT
Garner’s lack of proactive management in matches like tonight is starting to concern me. We looked toothless & ineffective in the second half, barely created a chance, and yet all BG could muster was a few like-for-like subs (again). If a game was getting away from us under DC, he’d change the shape, give the opposition something completely new to deal with & often swing the momentum of the match in our favour. That’s management. Why not take off a CB and go 4-3-3 for the last 30 minutes tonight? At least Posh would have been caught off guard by it. But no, we just carried on in the exact same pattern as the rest of the game, with Posh getting more and more on top, and went down with a whimper. Inspiring stuff. Interesting point. Who would you have taken off and brought on to change it up bud? |
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Nov 3, 2020 22:13:09 GMT
Not seen or heard the after match interview...
Who is Garner blaming it on this week?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 3, 2020 22:15:02 GMT
Not seen or heard the after match interview... Who is Garner blaming it on this week? The boogie. |
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 3, 2020 22:29:17 GMT
The highlights don’t paint it as evenly as I would have liked it. Thought we may have made something other than Hanlan effort in the second half.
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Post by clockendgas on Nov 3, 2020 22:31:38 GMT
Not seen or heard the after match interview... Who is Garner blaming it on this week? Bloody students |
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Post by barumgas on Nov 3, 2020 22:44:45 GMT
Training ground projects for this week:
1. Westbrooke to learn how to take corners
2. Back 3 to learn how to pass the ball forward.
3. Ben to learn how to take his finger out of his ar*e and make substitutions when tactics are clearly not working
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 3, 2020 23:04:23 GMT
Garner’s lack of proactive management in matches like tonight is starting to concern me. We looked toothless & ineffective in the second half, barely created a chance, and yet all BG could muster was a few like-for-like subs (again). If a game was getting away from us under DC, he’d change the shape, give the opposition something completely new to deal with & often swing the momentum of the match in our favour. That’s management. Why not take off a CB and go 4-3-3 for the last 30 minutes tonight? At least Posh would have been caught off guard by it. But no, we just carried on in the exact same pattern as the rest of the game, with Posh getting more and more on top, and went down with a whimper. Inspiring stuff. Interesting point. Who would you have taken off and brought on to change it up bud? Bringing on JML for Daly & putting him down the middle seemed pointless to me - he’s not a striker. ____________Jaakkola Hare___Ehmer______Kilgour___Tutonda _____________Grant _____Westbrooke___Oztumer ____JML______Hanlan______Nicholson Or something similar. What did we have to lose? That second half was only heading one way with both teams playing 352 and them being much better at it than us. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 3, 2020 23:26:03 GMT
Haven’t read the thread. FWIW.
Individuals played well tonight, I thought Grant had a good game, possibly his best and ZW played very well in the midfield but again he was too deep. Nicholson was completely off the pace. When Oztumer came on the match was effectively over but he started to run at Posh with the ball and created a few openings. We really need him in the match from the off. Others played ok but the main reason we lost the match was Posh played very well and had some very talented players who were playing in a system that suited them. When they attacked they had options to pass to. Players were trying to get into the box or onto the edge of the box to support. Hanlan and Daly were feeding off scraps all night. Hare got some really good crosses in but apart from Hanlan I’m not sure players often got in the box. Hanlan gets balls played to him with his back to goal all the time and teams now stay close and have a player close enough to take him if he beats his first man. The guy’s not got a chance. Ehmer had another good game and with Alfie and Harries kept JCH and Dembele relatively quiet.
I’ve moaned about the midfield sitting too deep yet they somehow allowed Posh plenty of space to score the two goals from outside the box! Kilgour might get blamed but he actually stuck with Dembele but the problem was no one was anywhere near Taylor, the same for the Butler goal, too much space.
BG has a big job to get that midfield into an attacking unit because at the moment teams will be happy to let them play in our own half and show off their passing and technical skills. It needs to be advanced to give us a chance. Tonight it was completely ineffective. Oztumer needs to start with ZW. BG also has to be more decisive over his substitutions. Against Ipswich at home, Hull and again tonight we changed things too late. We were getting overrun and changes were needed yet he waited until the opposition scored before making them. Too late, by that time we had lost. Earlier changes might have got us extra points. Perhaps not tonight but certainly against the other two teams. I think we’ll still be around midtable but I hope BG learns how to use what I think are some talented players. At the moment he’s coming over as too negative to me. He gives teams too much respect or he feels scared that they will beat us easily. Tonight we started well and played the ball around in the right areas but we were pushed back by a more attacking team with perhaps better players. BG is not setting other managers too much to think about, we’re easy to play against.
Our defence played well and kept JCH and Dembele fairly contained but Posh have a quality team and were able to score from others. We don’t have that at the moment. We’re not a long way away from being a better team but Sunderland, Hull, Ipswich, Posh and the other top teams will find a way to score, we don’t at the the moment. It’s why I think the dropped two points to Rochdale was a missed opportunity, after Posh scored we looked unlikely to get back into it so we are going to have to take our opportunities against the bottom half teams because at the moment we play neat, technical but ineffective football against the top teams. Teams will know that and I bet we’re a pretty easy team to play against at the moment. But get the best combination in midfield and we will look ten times better.
UTG!
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Post by socrates on Nov 3, 2020 23:32:15 GMT
Bit disappointed tonight to be honest. I was hoping we could be competitive and at least give them a game. Tonight showed how far we still have to go to compete with the likes of Peterborough United. Thing is any team should be able to compete over 90 minutes with any team from their division. This wasn’t a cup game against a Prem side , if we had more fight and looked to get it forward and get players forward and have a go there’s no reason we couldn’t have competed. Instead we played tippy tappy in our own half and gave it away in their half because we didn’t have enough players forward and they had plenty back because we play so slow. It’s pretty clear where we have gone wrong so far this season , ok we’ve done ok so far but you should always look for new things to improve the team’s performances as manager and never changing formation or style is very narrow minded way of managing, that’s what worries me most. I think we’ve got some decent players but I don’t think the tactic works and it seems to be the only tactic. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 3, 2020 23:35:28 GMT
P’Boro are a very strong side. They didn’t destroy us but deserved the win. No huge defensive blunders, ok could have defended better but how often do you get punished twice by such amazing strikes from distance? We were poor in the final third, both wingbacks were disappointing and our most attacking theee players didn’t perform well at all on the night. A few calls for early subs but the brief cameos from Oztumer so far have been a bit disappointing, I fear he may not be the player of 5 years everyone thought we were signing but need to see him with more time on the pitch before making judgement. Grant, Westbrooke and Ehmer all very good. Agree eric, except for Oztumer comment. You may be right because we’ve only seen him in small bursts and he may not be as good. But I thought tonight his small burst was his best. He actually runs with the ball and creates something. We need him to start imo so we can actually see if he’s as good as we hope he is. And of course Liddell must be coming into contention. I can’t believe he’s another Johnny Burn, we sign him from Middlesbrough but never play him! UTG! |
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