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I guess the working example is in America.
3,000 people a day dying, State Health authorities saying their hospitals are dangerously close to capacity. Jan and Feb is their normal "peak" respiratory disease period.
The economic hit has been pretty uniform whether a State went into full lockdown, or not.

There is no perfect answer to this, but I would say this to you mate. We can make a mistake and overkill on the economy. But we can build that back.
If we undercall the Health response you cannot resurrect the dead.

I would rather be wrong about the economy than life.

It's sh**, but here we are.
Meeting at work today and some glum faces. I told them we get through this together and we start planning for Spring now.
Lots to do....but they saw that light.
Going on and on over a non black and white situation absolutely does not help.

Reading this thread has been funny, ironic, head-shaking at some of the moronic it-will-be-alright views, but finally it got to what is pretty near the base of the need for health care, people being treated equally and most things.
Gassy, you're right to stop us going back to discussing racism so I won’t. But oldie is right to support a meritocracy (which I think he’s doing if I’m correct) and equality begins at day 1. Until you have equality of opportunity as in education, housing, a closing of the poverty gap and health care then those most vulnerable will always suffer. Unfortunately those inequalities are growing all the time currently.
UTG!

It does resonate, but unfortunately this is life. The fear has manifested in many ways, one other example being people afraid to seek medical care because of Covid fears. Its a sad and difficult situation, but people should be made aware of the risks and dangers and then its up to them to live their life as they wish. On that note, “There is no specific power under the Act to confine or control the movements of healthy people....such a power would ...be inconsistent with the principle of legality" says Lord Sumption, the former Supreme Court Judge.

If I had my way Grover abusers would be encouraged to take responsibility and change otherwise be removed from society. That includes abusers of all people and all animals.

Don't get me wrong wareham - I think everyone here knows my views on racism in the UK, I just feel that there are a few threads in GC where we've gone round in circles on racism and Covid already. 

Professor John Ashton, a former regional director of public health for North West England, accused No 10 of relying on a ‘little clique’ of researchers and failing to consult a wider pool of academics.

I don't personally "have it in for Ferguson", but with his record for modelling and predictions, I found it strange how they were following and so trusting of him again.

It's not just Ferguson's predictions of up to 50,000 people dieing from 'mad cow disease' (increasing to 150,000 if the epidemic expanded to include sheep), that were wrong. The reality was only 178 people in the UK have died from CJD, according to the National CJD Research & Surveillance Unit at the University of Edinburgh (2017).

Other 'Professor Doom' predictions include:

In 2005, Ferguson claimed that up to 200 million people would be killed by bird-flu or H5N1. By early 2006, the WHO had only linked 78 deaths to the virus, out of 147 reported cases.

In 2009, Ferguson and his team at Imperial College advised the Government that swine flu or H1N1 would probably kill 65,000 people in the UK. In the end, swine flu claimed the lives of 457 people in the UK.

As for the Spanish Flu of 1918, as the BBC noted "It is dangerous to draw too many parallels between coronavirus and the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic...Covid-19 is an entirely new disease, which disproportionately affects older people."

No, every academic with a brain didn't say we should lock down earlier, but the medical experts with a different view point countering the narrative are being censored, removed and pushed out of the conversation, or in your little world are smeered as a "conspiracy theorist". As the website off-guardian put it: "When the last dissenting voice is finally shut down, the establishment will claim the “science is settled.”

The award winning Epidemiologist from University of Oxford, professor Sunetra Gupta, argued against the lockdown and questioned the data produced by Professor Neil Ferguson.

One of the world's top Epidemiologists from Stanford University, Professor John Ioannidis, argued against lockdowns and said we are “once-in-a-century evidence fiasco” and "lockdown is a nuclear weapon that destroys everything". Professor Ioannidis was essentially ostracised for presenting early data that put the infection fatality rate lower than the merchants of doom were saying. And now? The World Health Organisation has published a peer-reviewed paper by Professor Ioannidis that states: “the inferred infection fatality rates tended to be much lower than estimates made earlier in the pandemic.”

Dr Jean-François Toussaint is a French doctor and professor of physiology at the Université Paris-Descartes and is also director of the Institute for Biomedical Research and Sports Epidemiology (IRMES) and a former member of the High Council of Public Health, he argued:

"[The Lockdown] was guided by estimates that were proposed on March 12…In this work, however, many things were wrong: the models were wrong, the projections were wrong; the simulations are still not reproducible, the justifications remain unfounded. And the studies currently published repeat the same errors: naive and outdated models, unstable algorithms, useless predictions…Yet it is on such simulations that the paralysis of half of humanity was played out."

"In addition to those directly linked to the essential measures to combat SARS-CoV-2, the social, economic and health consequences of generalized confinement will be considerable. It is to be expected that all of these effects will lead to a decline in life expectancy in the coming years."

As I've said previously, the lockdowns are disproportionate and do more harm than good for a virus that isn't as deadly as we were led to believe.