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Theyre only over 80’s so sod them or just lock them away 🙄

I mean, you literally didn't answer the same question put to you 2 or 3 times, I'd say thats ignoring it. Wouldn't you? I've acknowledged some of your points and answered others;

I acknowledged your article and admitted the data seems interesting and will require further reading. I previously acknowledged your points on being sceptical about the vaccine. I've challenged that the government only chose Ferguson as the sole advisor, you have provided zero evidence to suggest I am wrong.

In the mean time, I have asked you to give us your opinion on the virus, which you have finally just done. I've asked you to comment on other countries locking down too, is Ferguson to blame for them too?

I think the part I don't understand with some of your argument is that you chop and change what you deem to be a good source. One day the WHO isn't credible as an organisation, the next day you use it to further your agenda. I do think some of your points are valid, but the issue is that you've got your blinkers on and refuse to believe that everything you think isn't 100% correct. 

You post that lockdowns are disproportionate. I can understand that point of view, I wouldn't really begin to know where to start to measure whether one if proportionate or not. But then you refuse to concede that actual people on here work for the NHS and have a far better understanding of being overrun than you do. It's very easy to slate the government (most people on here know I do it more than most people), but what would you suggest then is the perfect mix of lockdowns vs letting the virus run free? You must surely have an idea? 

And please, if possible, without 3 paragraphs of 'Doctor X, the most well known scientist in the history of the world (that no one has ever actually heard of) told us in the Daily Mail whilst he was part of X university 20 years ago'. 

Sweden's king has said his country "failed" to save lives with its relatively relaxed approach to the coronavirus pandemic.

King Carl XVI Gustaf made the remarks as part of an annual TV review of the year with the royal family.

Sweden, which has never imposed a full lockdown, has seen nearly 350,000 cases and more than 7,800 deaths - a lot more than its Scandinavian neighbours.

Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said he agreed with the king's remarks.

"Of course the fact that so many have died can't be considered as anything other than a failure," Mr Lofven told reporters.

Referring to the government's strategy, Mr Lofven added that "it's when we are through the pandemic that the real conclusions can be drawn".

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In the programme, the king says: "I think we have failed. We have a large number who have died and that is terrible.

"The people of Sweden have suffered tremendously in difficult conditions. One thinks of all the family members who have happened to be unable to say goodbye to their deceased family members. I think it is a tough and traumatic experience not to be able to say a warm goodbye."

When asked if he was afraid of being infected with Covid-19, the king - who is 74 - said: "Lately, it has felt more obvious, it has crept closer and closer. That's not what you want."


Video caption Ros Atkins looks at one country that's been an outlier since the start of the pandemic: Sweden
Instead of relying on legal sanctions, Sweden appeals to citizens' sense of responsibility and civic duty, and issues only recommendations. There are no sanctions if they are ignored.

Sweden has never imposed a nationwide lockdown or the wearing of masks, and bars and restaurants have remained open.

However, earlier this week, schools across the Stockholm region were asked to switch to distance learning for 13 to 15-year-olds for the first time as soon as possible. The measure was announced in response to rising Covid-19 cases.

This came a week after a nationwide decision on 7 December to switch to remote learning for those over 16.

And on Monday, new nationwide social-distancing recommendations for the Christmas period came into force, replacing similar region-specific guidelines.

Swedes are advised to meet a maximum of eight people, gather outdoors if possible and avoid travelling by train or bus.

A formal ban on public gatherings of more than eight people remains, affecting events such as concerts, sports matches and demonstrations.

'Voluntary'

Sweden's state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, in November explained the strategy relied on a combination of legal and voluntary measures.

He told the BBC that this was, in the Swedish context, "the combination that we really believe is the best one".


Video caption Tegnell: "Not yet possible to say which country has right strategy" (November 2020 interview)
According to an official report released earlier this week, the strategy failed in its effort to protect the elderly in care homes - for which the government has admitted responsibility.

Over 90% of Covid-related deaths have been among those aged 70 and over, and nearly half of all Covid deaths have been in care homes, the government says.

Mr Tegnell said his agency (Sweden's Public Health Agency) was not responsible for directing the elderly care system, and added all stakeholders needed to help to improve the situation to make sure the elderly did not get infected.

He said he thought Sweden had become better at protecting older people, and that no country had succeeded entirely in that area - even Germany was being hit hard right now, he told Swedish radio on Wednesday .

Sweden is also said to have one of the highest per capita Covid-19 death rates in the world, and has had more deaths than the rest of the Nordic countries combined. This has led to criticism from the country's neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Finland, that its less strict approach is putting their own measures at risk.

On Tuesday, Prime Minister Lofven also said he felt many experts had underestimated the second wave.

"I think most in the profession did not see such a wave incoming. There was instead talk of different clusters," he said in an interview with daily Aftonbladet.

General Chat isn't a place to have a debate it seems to me its just a place where one person is trying to convince the rest they are right. I suppose someone will post 'no it isnt' and off we go again for another 200 pages. Debate would be more interesting imho.

the take away is same number of deaths as last year SO FAR (December data isn't in this years total). So a month to go. So add on another 8% = more deaths than last year. He's proving the opposite point to the one he's making but he's just looking at the coloured bar.

Griptmedia is another version of Guido as far as I can see.

Tbf I think the statistic is correct, but as OB says - its incomplete.

A quick google already shows the deaths are now higher than 2019 and on course to be the highest the bar shows - most likely around the 94k mark.

And thats if you consider the virus only really started in March in Europe. So if you were to add 3 months worth of data you'd be probably around the 120k mark.

March-March would be an interesting (and sad) comparison. But none of this sadly backs up the point Pirate is trying to make. Quite the opposite.

My god, even when you've been proven completely wrong - you can't even get close to admitting you might be wrong.

It's just excuse after excuse. Concede a point man.

*Waels phone rings*

Hi it's pirate, I've spotted this young lad playing on the grassy knoll, he plays in bare foot so could be the real McCartney. He can play positions 9/11 and he hits the ball so hard it can melt steel crossbars.

I believe MK Ultra dons are interested, his agent George Soros is a tight negotiator but if you offer him the flat earth you should be in the Area (51).