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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2023 19:04:34 GMT
Agreed. No chance he’d be here if not for the injuries. Not sure what Topper is seeing! He only sees opportunities for an argument !!! You must have lived a very sheltered life if you think suggesting that Gibson isn't as good at present as Craig or Tom Davies were under GC is trying to argue with anybody. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jan 15, 2023 19:25:27 GMT
He only sees opportunities for an argument !!! You must have lived a very sheltered life if you think suggesting that Gibson isn't as good at present as Craig or Tom Davies were under GC is trying to argue with anybody. Craig and Tom D were very good defenders under Graham, however Gibson is asked to play football and be comfortable on the ball which leads to pressure sometimes. It’s a totally different ask from two totally different managers. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 15, 2023 19:26:48 GMT
How will anybody on here know what Stoke would accept and how much we can afford to pay? Although given how poor McCormick's been on his return then perhaps looking elsewhere is a better option. I wasn’t asking people in here what Stoke would accept, lol. 😂 Strange interpretation of my post. I’m saying they don’t want to loan him out, so if we wanted him the club would need to see if they can offer enough to buy him if we want him back. The fee is always a combination of how much he means to his current club and how much the interested party will pay, which unless made public, nobody knows apart from the decision makers. Hopefully that’s a tad clearer for a pretty simple statement that is actually about a scenario that’s massively unlikely to happen anyway! 🤣 I reckon a decent young defender with loads of potential on the bench at a championship club such as Taylor would command upwards of half a million. |
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Post by RD on Jan 15, 2023 20:22:55 GMT
Barton Thomas: "Not only that, I’ll level with you, we’ve had enough of him as well. He is a young player and he came in and did well, but virtually a goal a game and he was causing a lot of issues" "Bob goes with our thanks for the loan. Could they have done it differently? Yeah, absolutely, but it fits with the characters" Thomas seems like a bad egg from that and probably just as well he is gone. Just a shame it clearly disrupted our plans for the game. If that is the case, good riddance! Agree.... But... If he's really such a bad egg, why was he still here - let alone starting every game! Can you really see Joey tolerating that? Seems more like sour grapes to me personally as really cannot see JB accepting that sort of character / behaviour irrespective of talent (and let's be honest, he wasn't/isn't even fit to lace Taylor's boots). |
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Post by pirate on Jan 15, 2023 20:26:02 GMT
If that is the case, good riddance! Agree.... But... If he's really such a bad egg, why was he still here - let alone starting every game! Can you really see Joey tolerating that? Seems more like sour grapes to me personally as really cannot see JB accepting that sort of character / behaviour irrespective of talent (and let's be honest, he wasn't/isn't even fit to lace Taylor's boots). Who knows, but either way we can probably do better anyway. The linked Liverpool CB Quansah is a good defender and would be a welcome addition for me. |
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Post by RD on Jan 15, 2023 20:27:59 GMT
Agree.... But... If he's really such a bad egg, why was he still here - let alone starting every game! Can you really see Joey tolerating that? Seems more like sour grapes to me personally as really cannot see JB accepting that sort of character / behaviour irrespective of talent (and let's be honest, he wasn't/isn't even fit to lace Taylor's boots). Who knows, but either way we can probably do better anyway. The linked Liverpool CB Quansah is a good defender and would be a welcome addition for me. Agreed. Don't think he was terrible (and more the accumulation of a group of average at best defenders as a whole), but when you compare him to Taylor the gulf is immeasurable. For that reason, we know there is better out that and for that reason I'm not too fussed. |
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Post by wallywalters on Jan 15, 2023 20:50:20 GMT
Who knows, but either way we can probably do better anyway. The linked Liverpool CB Quansah is a good defender and would be a welcome addition for me. Agreed. Don't think he was terrible (and more the accumulation of a group of average at best defenders as a whole), but when you compare him to Taylor the gulf is immeasurable. For that reason, we know there is better out that and for that reason I'm not too fussed. It's clear that Connelly cannot defend long balls, he is very uncomfortable dealing with them so needs a big commanding centre half next to him like Taylor was last year. Thomas didn't turn out to be that man even though his stature appeared to suggest he would be. We need a big tall ugly centre half that loves heading the ball to line up in the middle of him and Gibson. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2023 21:00:56 GMT
Who knows, but either way we can probably do better anyway. The linked Liverpool CB Quansah is a good defender and would be a welcome addition for me. Agreed. Don't think he was terrible (and more the accumulation of a group of average at best defenders as a whole), but when you compare him to Taylor the gulf is immeasurable. For that reason, we know there is better out that and for that reason I'm not too fussed. To be fair to Thomas we never saw Taylor play against L1 strikers, whilst JB is content to slag off Thomas now he's gone there seemed no suggestions he was intending cutting short his loan spell with us. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2023 21:04:37 GMT
Agree.... But... If he's really such a bad egg, why was he still here - let alone starting every game! Can you really see Joey tolerating that? Seems more like sour grapes to me personally as really cannot see JB accepting that sort of character / behaviour irrespective of talent (and let's be honest, he wasn't/isn't even fit to lace Taylor's boots). Who knows, but either way we can probably do better anyway. The linked Liverpool CB Quansah is a good defender and would be a welcome addition for me. Does he really know the dark arts of the game at 19 or is he going to be another one who gets bullied by experienced L1 strikers, watch Coburn and opposition defenders continually man handle him, with refs just turning a blind eye to shirt pulling etc if he played against our defence he'd probably have his easiest game of the season. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2023 21:09:33 GMT
Agreed. Don't think he was terrible (and more the accumulation of a group of average at best defenders as a whole), but when you compare him to Taylor the gulf is immeasurable. For that reason, we know there is better out that and for that reason I'm not too fussed. It's clear that Connelly cannot defend long balls, he is very uncomfortable dealing with them so needs a big commanding centre half next to him like Taylor was last year. Thomas didn't turn out to be that man even though his stature appeared to suggest he would be. We need a big tall ugly centre half that loves heading the ball to line up in the middle of him and Gibson. Stoke are looking to off load Aden Flint to a L1 club, at 33 he's probably got at least 18 months left in his legs and knows the area from his time at City and Cardiff. He might be out of our price range but only if one of the bigger L1 clubs are looking to sign him. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 15, 2023 21:39:28 GMT
Who knows, but either way we can probably do better anyway. The linked Liverpool CB Quansah is a good defender and would be a welcome addition for me. Does he really know the dark arts of the game at 19 or is he going to be another one who gets bullied by experienced L1 strikers, watch Coburn and opposition defenders continually man handle him, with refs just turning a blind eye to shirt pulling etc if he played against our defence he'd probably have his easiest game of the season. He's obviously not going to have the same level of dark arts nous that an experienced defender has, but he has the physical presence and defensive skills needed to succeed and we are talking about one of the best defenders in his age group in the entire country. |
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Post by phillistine on Jan 15, 2023 22:48:12 GMT
Who knows, but either way we can probably do better anyway. The linked Liverpool CB Quansah is a good defender and would be a welcome addition for me. Agreed. Don't think he was terrible (and more the accumulation of a group of average at best defenders as a whole), but when you compare him to Taylor the gulf is immeasurable. For that reason, we know there is better out that and for that reason I'm not too fussed. i thought that Thomas was terrible in the last game as both goals were down to him and even the chance that Plymouth missed for their third was also down to him. in the past games he has been commanding in the air but weak on the floor and my son confirmed after watching him just twice that he was not good enough. I tend to be less judgmental but because of my sons comments i became aware of his slip ups and there were a lot. The defence needs an overhaul as that will build confidence in the rest of the team. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jan 16, 2023 0:35:32 GMT
If that is the case, good riddance! Agree.... But... If he's really such a bad egg, why was he still here - let alone starting every game! Can you really see Joey tolerating that? Seems more like sour grapes to me personally as really cannot see JB accepting that sort of character / behaviour irrespective of talent (and let's be honest, he wasn't/isn't even fit to lace Taylor's boots). Here's what Barton said, in full, which is a bit more balanced. Thomas' short-notice departure left the Gas short on numbers for Saturday's League One defeat to Accrington Stanley, and speaking after that game, Barton confirmed the 21-year-old pushed to leave the club. The manager added: "Not only that, I’ll level with you, we’ve had enough of him as well. He is a young player and he came in and did well, but virtually a goal a game and he was causing a lot of issues. "He was fantastic for us and he gave us everything he’s got. We just feel that in the market there is an opportunity to maybe take a permanent or a loan that can help us. "Football is a strange-old game and Bobby and his agent will have been aware of us trying to move centre-backs on in the background to replace him, so we can’t sit here and cry that he has done the dirty on us and gone to Barnsley because we were actively looking to recruit and replace him and use a valuable loan spot because we felt we had seen what Bob could do for us and we felt we could find, certainly in the second half of the season, a bit more of a different structure defensively. "Him and Beefy (James Connolly) wasn’t the partnership we were looking for and outside centre-back where Bobby ended up playing is probably not his best position. "He goes with our good wishes and hopefully, he plays as well for Barnsley as he did for us." |
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Post by RD on Jan 16, 2023 5:31:25 GMT
Agree.... But... If he's really such a bad egg, why was he still here - let alone starting every game! Can you really see Joey tolerating that? Seems more like sour grapes to me personally as really cannot see JB accepting that sort of character / behaviour irrespective of talent (and let's be honest, he wasn't/isn't even fit to lace Taylor's boots). Here's what Barton said, in full, which is a bit more balanced. Thomas' short-notice departure left the Gas short on numbers for Saturday's League One defeat to Accrington Stanley, and speaking after that game, Barton confirmed the 21-year-old pushed to leave the club. The manager added: "Not only that, I’ll level with you, we’ve had enough of him as well. He is a young player and he came in and did well, but virtually a goal a game and he was causing a lot of issues. "He was fantastic for us and he gave us everything he’s got. We just feel that in the market there is an opportunity to maybe take a permanent or a loan that can help us. "Football is a strange-old game and Bobby and his agent will have been aware of us trying to move centre-backs on in the background to replace him, so we can’t sit here and cry that he has done the dirty on us and gone to Barnsley because we were actively looking to recruit and replace him and use a valuable loan spot because we felt we had seen what Bob could do for us and we felt we could find, certainly in the second half of the season, a bit more of a different structure defensively. "Him and Beefy (James Connolly) wasn’t the partnership we were looking for and outside centre-back where Bobby ended up playing is probably not his best position. "He goes with our good wishes and hopefully, he plays as well for Barnsley as he did for us." Thanks Tilly - you're correct, that reads very different! So if I'm reading that right we were looking to replace him anyway? Interesting. Hopefully we may have one lined up sooner rather than later then by the sounds of it. |
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Post by westfieldgas on Jan 16, 2023 11:31:21 GMT
Thomas was solid 60% of the season but recent performances (past 3 games) he's looked like a National League level defender, worse than Kilgour has ever been for the Gas. Hardie made him look like a child vs Argyle. Replace and move on.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 16, 2023 11:38:14 GMT
Crewe have had their keeper recalled by Arsenal at short notice and it seems only to be loaned out to another club.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jan 16, 2023 12:20:25 GMT
“hopefully, he plays as well for Barnsley as he did for us."
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Post by toggsy2 on Jan 16, 2023 15:35:36 GMT
“hopefully, he plays as well for Barnsley as he did for us." 😂 Or he ends up warming the bench for them |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 16, 2023 15:39:23 GMT
I wasn’t asking people in here what Stoke would accept, lol. 😂 Strange interpretation of my post. I’m saying they don’t want to loan him out, so if we wanted him the club would need to see if they can offer enough to buy him if we want him back. The fee is always a combination of how much he means to his current club and how much the interested party will pay, which unless made public, nobody knows apart from the decision makers. Hopefully that’s a tad clearer for a pretty simple statement that is actually about a scenario that’s massively unlikely to happen anyway! 🤣 I reckon a decent young defender with loads of potential on the bench at a championship club such as Taylor would command upwards of half a million. Yeah I said similar a while ago . A.bid of 400-450k and we might get him. Not gonna happen though ! |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 16, 2023 15:57:34 GMT
I reckon a decent young defender with loads of potential on the bench at a championship club such as Taylor would command upwards of half a million. Yeah I said similar a while ago . A.bid of 400-450k and we might get him. Not gonna happen though ! No way would we pay a fee like that for a player unproven above L2. Seeing as Evans and Macca seem to be struggling at this level plus Beefy to a degree then no chance is Taylor worth that sort of money. |
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