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Post by stapletongas on Sept 3, 2023 12:18:46 GMT
Points I think need consideration
1. A lot of new players, needs bedding in
2. Possibly/probably the best squad Barton has had here, ability, cover, balance of experience and youth
3. Best training facilities this club has probably ever had
On the pitch, I don't think we go forward quick enough and on too many occasions, not always, the opposition have had time to get in position and be set. Yesterday's possession stats only tell half the story, a lot of possession was recycling the ball back and across the back line to switch sides, probing and trying to find a way through a Lincoln side with a flat 5 across the back and a solid midfield blocking all routes through. Phil Bater used to say you have to get the opposition on the turn ie trying to defend while also trying to get back and still trying to get in position. To an extent, we gave Lincoln too much time to to get into the set position and from there it was training ground routine, ie keeping the opposition out and soaking it in your final third.
If that sounds familiar, look at the home game v Wycombe, similar problem. This needs to change because if the visiting team get in front, it's a frustrating up hill battle.
Away from home opposition are more likely to come forward and take the initiative, that opens them up for the counter. Maybe that's why we sometimes look better away?
Also are we good enough to be following the coaching manual of Pep? It's a big trend, playing out from very deep at the back, risky possession across our own box, which until very recently was a footballing cardinal sin.
Ultimately, taking on the changes we have and now having passed the deadline, we have what we have till January and now it's for the coaching staff to shape this squad and get performances and results.
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Post by adrian301 on Sept 3, 2023 12:35:28 GMT
I'm beginning to have my doubts about JB and his signings and tactics. Let's face it, we only got promoted because of a young lad who was head and shoulders above anything else in Lg 2. Without him we would have struggled to make the play offs.
He has been backed in way DC and GC could only have dreamed of, and he still hasn't out performed them.
Of course, bigger budgets bring bigger expectations.
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 3, 2023 12:41:02 GMT
I'm beginning to have my doubts about JB and his signings and tactics. Let's face it, we only got promoted because of a young lad who was head and shoulders above anything else in Lg 2. Without him we would have struggled to make the play offs. He has been backed in way DC and GC could only have dreamed of, and he still hasn't out performed them. Of course, bigger budgets bring bigger expectations. Anderson wouldn’t have been promoted on his own. Back to front we were the best TEAM in the league January to May. |
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 3, 2023 13:06:34 GMT
I'm beginning to have my doubts about JB and his signings and tactics. Let's face it, we only got promoted because of a young lad who was head and shoulders above anything else in Lg 2. Without him we would have struggled to make the play offs. He has been backed in way DC and GC could only have dreamed of, and he still hasn't out performed them. Of course, bigger budgets bring bigger expectations. 🤔 Not really, our expectations are big regardless of budget. If we didn't have investment our fans here would be talking about how we get 8k fans and X team get 4k. It doesn't matter what division or squad we have, the energy comes from promotion or relegation predictions at stupid points of the season without much patience or reflection. The season we did get promoted from div4(due to 1 player according to you..) JB was being hounded, called a fraud, our home crowd was toxic and attendances were down. Then, with some key signings snd some momentum it all changed and it was a fantastic story. We are 6 games in. |
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Post by eastgas on Sept 3, 2023 14:17:11 GMT
Whilst I agree the last three games we haven’t produced very good performances, we still need to look at it as it is. The conversations and beliefs were a lot different after the first three. Everyone was positive and believed we should have won all three, against very good sides. We were great the first three and below par the last three. It’s still very early and if we replicate the first three games we will be there or there aboits at the end of the season. The whole JCH saga has really dampened the mood of lots of rovers fans. If the signing had be completed I’m not sure some of the current conversations would be happening
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Post by Quarters on Sept 3, 2023 14:43:03 GMT
I'm beginning to have my doubts about JB and his signings and tactics. Let's face it, we only got promoted because of a young lad who was head and shoulders above anything else in Lg 2. Without him we would have struggled to make the play offs. He has been backed in way DC and GC could only have dreamed of, and he still hasn't out performed them. Of course, bigger budgets bring bigger expectations. Anderson wouldn’t have been promoted on his own. Back to front we were the best TEAM in the league January to May. Very doubtful we would have been promoted without him. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2023 14:53:18 GMT
Whilst I agree the last three games we haven’t produced very good performances, we still need to look at it as it is. The conversations and beliefs were a lot different after the first three. Everyone was positive and believed we should have won all three, against very good sides. We were great the first three and below par the last three. It’s still very early and if we replicate the first three games we will be there or there aboits at the end of the season. The whole JCH saga has really dampened the mood of lots of rovers fans. If the signing had be completed I’m not sure some of the current conversations would be happening The point is we needed a striker, clearly JCH would have been perfect but not to sign anybody is just as bad as BG & PT failing to sign a striker. It's not like we have a youngster who can step up and it's clear Collins, Marquis and Brown aren't JCH, or even Coburn, type CF's. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 3, 2023 15:27:18 GMT
Anderson wouldn’t have been promoted on his own. Back to front we were the best TEAM in the league January to May. Very doubtful we would have been promoted without him. Or Belly’s stops, the relationship between Taylor & Beefy, Coutts captaincy, Finley’s dogged displays, the Rhino, Collins, Evans… Talented kid & he gave us an edge but only getting promoted because of him alone is just nonsense. |
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Post by RD on Sept 3, 2023 15:29:11 GMT
Very doubtful we would have been promoted without him. Or Belly’s stops, the relationship between Taylor & Beefy, Coutts captaincy, Finley’s dogged displays, the Rhino, Collins, Evans… Talented kid & he gave us an edge but only getting promoted because of him alone is just nonsense. Maybe not entirely because of him, but entirely possible it may not have happened without him. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 3, 2023 16:34:54 GMT
Or Belly’s stops, the relationship between Taylor & Beefy, Coutts captaincy, Finley’s dogged displays, the Rhino, Collins, Evans… Talented kid & he gave us an edge but only getting promoted because of him alone is just nonsense. Maybe not entirely because of him, but entirely possible it may not have happened without him. His displays were so outrageously better than the other 21 players on the pitch, they took us from "potential" play off contenders to auto promotion. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 3, 2023 16:38:47 GMT
We really are up and down like a bride’s nightie on here!
One minute we are almost guaranteed promotion with our recruitment, next we are woeful and sack the manager!
In my eyes JB is far from the finished article, but he has enormous passion and no doubt wants us to play the football we (mostly) like to watch. It’s not going to happen instantly and with so many new faces it may take a good 10 games more to get his best 11 flowing
We now have our squad in place, and for me he has to play Collins through the middle and trust that he can start terrorising defences with his runs, and hopefully a few shots!!
For me he’s wasted hugging the left wing
I haven’t seen enough live action yet to fully assess, but would you say Brown is more of a winger or a No 10? We could do with him hitting form.
This division for me is wide open this season, everyone beating everyone and it’s far too early to start writing anyone off.
Keep the faith people, once we start to fire we will all be on the big Richie bus chugging towards the top of League One!!
UTG
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Post by bobbyjones on Sept 3, 2023 16:41:38 GMT
Remember it was Barton who took us down. No danger of relegation and then he arrived and bang we were down, bottom of the table.
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 3, 2023 16:46:18 GMT
Remember it was Barton who took us down. No danger of relegation and then he arrived and bang we were down, bottom of the table. And DC. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2023 16:55:11 GMT
Remember it was Barton who took us down. No danger of relegation and then he arrived and bang we were down, bottom of the table. Pretty certain PT was sacked as we looked to be heading for relegation, the defeat at Accrington being one of the worst we've suffered in recent years. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2023 16:56:24 GMT
Very doubtful we would have been promoted without him. Or Belly’s stops, the relationship between Taylor & Beefy, Coutts captaincy, Finley’s dogged displays, the Rhino, Collins, Evans… Talented kid & he gave us an edge but only getting promoted because of him alone is just nonsense. If EA hadn't played v Scunthorpe then we wouldn't have been promoted. |
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Post by eastgas on Sept 3, 2023 17:43:17 GMT
Whilst I agree the last three games we haven’t produced very good performances, we still need to look at it as it is. The conversations and beliefs were a lot different after the first three. Everyone was positive and believed we should have won all three, against very good sides. We were great the first three and below par the last three. It’s still very early and if we replicate the first three games we will be there or there aboits at the end of the season. The whole JCH saga has really dampened the mood of lots of rovers fans. If the signing had be completed I’m not sure some of the current conversations would be happening The point is we needed a striker, clearly JCH would have been perfect but not to sign anybody is just as bad as BG & PT failing to sign a striker. It's not like we have a youngster who can step up and it's clear Collins, Marquis and Brown aren't JCH, or even Coburn, type CF's. Don’t agree with this at all. Those you mentioned there plus Sinclair, Thomas and evans should be more than capable of scoring enough goals. JCH would have been the icing on the cake. No one was calling the signings up to that point negligent or comparing it to garner or tisdale |
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 3, 2023 17:44:27 GMT
Or Belly’s stops, the relationship between Taylor & Beefy, Coutts captaincy, Finley’s dogged displays, the Rhino, Collins, Evans… Talented kid & he gave us an edge but only getting promoted because of him alone is just nonsense. If EA hadn't played v Scunthorpe then we wouldn't have been promoted. Oh? What about the points dropped elsewhere in the season? If we hadn't have thrown away points we might have gone up as Champs. |
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Post by bobbyjones on Sept 3, 2023 17:54:37 GMT
Remember it was Barton who took us down. No danger of relegation and then he arrived and bang we were down, bottom of the table. Pretty certain PT was sacked as we looked to be heading for relegation, the defeat at Accrington being one of the worst we've suffered in recent years. We were out of the relegation zone by quite a few points, he came and we went down bottom of the table. He done nothing in the games we had left to play apart from lose, many times, and draw. Well done to the manager. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2023 18:12:48 GMT
Pretty certain PT was sacked as we looked to be heading for relegation, the defeat at Accrington being one of the worst we've suffered in recent years. We were out of the relegation zone by quite a few points, he came and we went down bottom of the table. He done nothing in the games we had left to play apart from lose, many times, and draw. Well done to the manager. I sense you are trying to rewrite history, if we were clear of the drop zone then why was PT sacked, when he was most likely appointed just to keep us in L1? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2023 18:13:48 GMT
If EA hadn't played v Scunthorpe then we wouldn't have been promoted. Oh? What about the points dropped elsewhere in the season? If we hadn't have thrown away points we might have gone up as Champs. The fact is we did drop points and only beating Scunthorpe secured promotion. |
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