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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 25, 2023 8:58:19 GMT
I am not a Joey Hater like many on here It was very clear to me last night that this group of players are not playing for Barton. Just after Stevenage scored and we lined up for the kick off, NO players where encouraging each other by either clapping or back slapping or even shouting at each other to "get going" He has to go and go now Were you even at the game? Bet i go to more home games than you
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 25, 2023 8:59:13 GMT
Were you even at the game? Bet i go to more home games than you Cat fest
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Post by Quarters on Oct 25, 2023 8:59:49 GMT
The ref gave a foul for a lesser foul in the second half? The ref last night was like a fan trying to do the job, seemingly just booking players at random for both sides. but it's not a foul if two of our players get in each others way Topper. He is referring to an occasion in second half when Cox came out to punch and the ref gave a free kick in his favour. No idea who he collided with. As with the goal there was contact by their player and Cox. Not saying either were fouls just appeared inconsistent
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 25, 2023 9:00:30 GMT
Bet i go to more home games than you Cat fest i bet my four cats against any furry things......
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Oct 25, 2023 10:58:13 GMT
In what possible way can Stevenage be called spoilers tonight? They played more football than we did, hoofed it less than we did, attacked more than we did even when already winning, and didnât waste time with any gamesmanship nonsense (remember Steve Cottrellâs Shrewsbury last season?) As you say Cox was your MoM so they must have played with attacking intent. We were awful, Stevenage were not awful and nor were they spoilers. We got lucky. Iâll take that. Iâm more concerned that the manager thinks we played well second half and deserved more! They had less possession, less shots and gave away more fouls. They did waste time on every set play once they were 1 up. People see things differently. People have pre conceived ideas of what a Steve Evans team is more like, likewise people are already saying we know what to expect from Northampton on Saturday based upon how previous Northampton teams (with totally different players and managers) have set up against us!
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 25, 2023 11:21:07 GMT
First half awful. Second half poor.
The first 45 seriously tested my patience. What was it? 4 goal attempts. Zero on target. We've got to do better than that at home against sides like Stevenage.
Second half saw a slight improvement but we were still very lucky to draw the game. Stevenage had 3 great chances they failed to take. A close range header in the first half parried by Cox, a free header in the second half that came back off the post, and a simple ball forward that put their striker clean through on goal.
Plus our goal should have been disallowed. Offside, handball, take your pick.
I've noticed this in a number of games this season. Opposition teams aren't having many attacks but are creating glorious chances to score. We conceded 4 at Burton and it could easily have been 4 last night. Defence nowhere near good enough.
No quality in midfield last night either. The only player who looked capable of creating something was Vale.
Good finish from Martin but that aside he barely had a kick.
We're just not good enough to play the style JB wants against sides like Stevenage.
I'm not sure where we go from here.
Next 6 games all look winnable on paper. Unless we see some positive performances and results in those fixtures I think JB will be under serious pressure; if he isn't already.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 25, 2023 11:29:35 GMT
Burton should have had a penalty for Gibbons blatant hand ball. We also had a blatant handball in the build up to our goal. Itâs swings and round abouts with this stuff Yes, Mr Evans is bemoaning about that....even though the ball hits the hand, his injured hand, the ref is entitled to not call the hand ball judgement. It was ball hit hand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 11:36:29 GMT
We also had a blatant handball in the build up to our goal. Itâs swings and round abouts with this stuff Yes, Mr Evans is bemoaning about that....even though the ball hits the hand, his injured hand, the ref is entitled to not call the hand ball judgement. It was ball hit hand. For me we gained an advantage after the ball touched a players hand. Hand ball but as I said. This stuff evens itself out.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 25, 2023 12:12:49 GMT
Were you even at the game? Bet i go to more home games than you I saw George Friend and Finlay giving lots of encouragement ! đutg
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 25, 2023 12:25:34 GMT
Yes, Mr Evans is bemoaning about that....even though the ball hits the hand, his injured hand, the ref is entitled to not call the hand ball judgement. It was ball hit hand. For me we gained an advantage after the ball touched a players hand. Hand ball but as I said. This stuff evens itself out. It does even itself out as there player gained an advantage when he accidentally sliced the ball into his hand and not out for a corner and then has control to clear the ball. The ref said he didn't mean it so didn't give a penalty so I'm pretty sure Marquis didn't mean it.
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Post by kylegas on Oct 25, 2023 12:33:56 GMT
didn't think he was fouled at the time and still don't watching it back. Comes for a ball and clatters Taylor and possibly also the Stevenage player, but no foul for me. Keepers get to much protection as it is. you can't just come out to get a ball and get a foul everytime you are bumped. Part of the art of goalkeeping isn't it to be able to deal with it The ref gave a foul for a lesser foul in the second half? The ref last night was like a fan trying to do the job, seemingly just booking players at random for both sides. I thought consistency was shown where it mattered at one point tho as from my view there was a clear handball which should have been our penalty right before a clear handball from Marquis leading to our goal đ
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Post by baggins on Oct 25, 2023 13:45:08 GMT
Coming back from 1 nil against a team that were what, 6th? Did we play well? Not really, Cox had to make a few decent saves, they hit the post, more than a few bookings, but we took a point and moved up the table with a game in hand on some around us.
Quite happy.
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 25, 2023 13:47:03 GMT
My take on last night fwiw
Il start by saying again that I back Barton and the style of football he has brought to our club.
Where I'm conflicted at the minute is it's quite clear that 3/4 of this division play low blocks , hit the ball long and are strong, athletic,compact decent sides.
Unfortunately for us we just cannot play our natural game against these sides. Barton has built a very pleasing on the eye squad but it just seems a bit weak when we come up against these strong powerful sides.
Finley,Bogarde, grant got absolutely bullied last night just not good enough.
It's a strange thing to say but I almost think we'd get better results in the championship against probably 22 out of 24 footballing sides.
When we went long last night in the second half we created numerous chances and looked far more dangerous.
I honestly don't know the answer as I don't want us to play that way but it seems we may have to against a lot of the sides in the division if we want to challenge. I'm not sure how we find the happy medium.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2023 14:18:25 GMT
My take on last night fwiw Il start by saying again that I back Barton and the style of football he has brought to our club. Where I'm conflicted at the minute is it's quite clear that 3/4 of this division play low blocks , hit the ball long and are strong, athletic,compact decent sides. Unfortunately for us we just cannot play our natural game against these sides. Barton has built a very pleasing on the eye squad but it just seems a bit weak when we come up against these strong powerful sides. Finley,Bogarde, grant got absolutely bullied last night just not good enough. It's a strange thing to say but I almost think we'd get better results in the championship against probably 22 out of 24 footballing sides. When we went long last night in the second half we created numerous chances and looked far more dangerous. I honestly don't know the answer as I don't want us to play that way but it seems we may have to against a lot of the sides in the division if we want to challenge. I'm not sure how we find the happy medium. I just think most of our players just arenât good enough (consistently) to move the ball quick enough to break sides down. Obvs it works on occasions and when it does we look bloody good. ButâŚ. too often passes go astray or we fail to control the ball often leading to giving away chances . Cut down the amount of passes by about 25% , mostly those risky passes at the back. Get the ball to the front guys quicker. Just needs mixing up a little .
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 25, 2023 14:19:53 GMT
First half awful. Second half poor. The first 45 seriously tested my patience. What was it? 4 goal attempts. Zero on target. We've got to do better than that at home against sides like Stevenage. Second half saw a slight improvement but we were still very lucky to draw the game. Stevenage had 3 great chances they failed to take. A close range header in the first half parried by Cox, a free header in the second half that came back off the post, and a simple ball forward that put their striker clean through on goal. Plus our goal should have been disallowed. Offside, handball, take your pick. I've noticed this in a number of games this season. Opposition teams aren't having many attacks but are creating glorious chances to score. We conceded 4 at Burton and it could easily have been 4 last night. Defence nowhere near good enough. No quality in midfield last night either. The only player who looked capable of creating something was Vale. Good finish from Martin but that aside he barely had a kick. We're just not good enough to play the style JB wants against sides like Stevenage. I'm not sure where we go from here. Next 6 games all look winnable on paper. Unless we see some positive performances and results in those fixtures I think JB will be under serious pressure; if he isn't already. The Stevenage player controlled the ball and then blasted it into Marquis. How could that be offside?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 25, 2023 14:25:56 GMT
Coming back from 1 nil against a team that were what, 6th? Did we play well? Not really, Cox had to make a few decent saves, they hit the post, more than a few bookings, but we took a point and moved up the table with a game in hand on some around us. Quite happy. Sense - at last! đđutg
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 25, 2023 14:54:54 GMT
First half awful. Second half poor. The first 45 seriously tested my patience. What was it? 4 goal attempts. Zero on target. We've got to do better than that at home against sides like Stevenage. Second half saw a slight improvement but we were still very lucky to draw the game. Stevenage had 3 great chances they failed to take. A close range header in the first half parried by Cox, a free header in the second half that came back off the post, and a simple ball forward that put their striker clean through on goal. Plus our goal should have been disallowed. Offside, handball, take your pick. I've noticed this in a number of games this season. Opposition teams aren't having many attacks but are creating glorious chances to score. We conceded 4 at Burton and it could easily have been 4 last night. Defence nowhere near good enough. No quality in midfield last night either. The only player who looked capable of creating something was Vale. Good finish from Martin but that aside he barely had a kick. We're just not good enough to play the style JB wants against sides like Stevenage. I'm not sure where we go from here. Next 6 games all look winnable on paper. Unless we see some positive performances and results in those fixtures I think JB will be under serious pressure; if he isn't already. The Stevenage player controlled the ball and then blasted it into Marquis. How could that be offside? When we play the ball forward Marquis is well offside, maybe 10 yards. He doesn't get the ball but immediately challanges the player in possession and blocks his clearance. I may not be up to date on the current rules but I would have thought he should have been given offside. Glad he wasn't though.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 25, 2023 15:26:26 GMT
The Stevenage player controlled the ball and then blasted it into Marquis. How could that be offside? When we play the ball forward Marquis is well offside, maybe 10 yards. He doesn't get the ball but immediately challanges the player in possession and blocks his clearance. I may not be up to date on the current rules but I would have thought he should have been given offside. Glad he wasn't though. No, once a player takes a controlled touch then everything resets. From Law 11 "A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. *âDeliberate playâ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of: passing the ball to a team-mate; gaining possession of the ball; or clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it) If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player âdeliberately playedâ the ball. The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have âdeliberately playedâ the ball: The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it The ball was not moving quickly The direction of the ball was not unexpected The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air"
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Post by bidefordgas on Oct 25, 2023 15:41:13 GMT
When we play the ball forward Marquis is well offside, maybe 10 yards. He doesn't get the ball but immediately challanges the player in possession and blocks his clearance. I may not be up to date on the current rules but I would have thought he should have been given offside. Glad he wasn't though. No, once a player takes a controlled touch then everything resets. From Law 11 "A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. *âDeliberate playâ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of: passing the ball to a team-mate; gaining possession of the ball; or clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it) If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player âdeliberately playedâ the ball. The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have âdeliberately playedâ the ball: The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it The ball was not moving quickly The direction of the ball was not unexpected The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air" Spot on. Their player clearly controlled the ball by bringing it down and then blasting a clearance hitting Marquis on the hand at very close range. No way could he get out of the way and therefore was not handball or offside.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 25, 2023 15:46:27 GMT
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