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Post by socrates on Dec 23, 2023 23:01:11 GMT
I think Collins needs 3-4 games benched , might come back better. Although this obviously isn’t a good time to do it as if Taylor does it now then he’s looking at a transfer request going in to the window and we don’t get much money as Collins is out of form. So he’s kind of buggered if he does or if he doesn’t really which is why I get Taylor is still starting him. Barton should have dropped him for 3-4 games months ago to see if it kickstarted him but then Barton’s management was questionable at times. Looking at the bench today the only replacement for Collins was Brown, is he really going to be an improvement? I've no idea how Brown had such an impressive start to last season, as he's hardly done anything this season. I don’t see brown as being a replacement for Collins in a 352 . Brown is Evans substitute in my opinion in that formation. I think we could play Sinclair as right wing back and put Thomas up front alongside Marquis though. Thomas is arguably our best attacking player and he’s done a decent job this season wherever he’s played but he’s quick , skilful and has an eye for goal , get him up front. |
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Post by rovers78 on Dec 23, 2023 23:09:11 GMT
Finley hasn't said that all you have spun to fit your boring agenda. Haven't heard from you since your pathetic Crewe statement and the fact we won 2 games on the trot but bang we lose one and here we go again back on spouting rubbish. Now let's think clearly here usually when a new man comes in they bring there own staff with them but due to the fact Wayne Carlisle was still employed by Rotherham and running the team and even trying to throw his hat into the ring to get the job he didn't come with Taylor. It's unusual that a manager gets sacked and walks into another job straight away so it will take time to recruit a backroom team. For the other coaches to walk out/leave get sacked whatevver happened was quite obvious as soon as Mangan didn't get the job. I don't know what you are trying to achieve by causing unrest in here and why all of a sudden after a loss you pipe back up. He said “its hard for him, he’s on his own, I feel sorry for him, needs to be sorted by the club, it’s difficult for the manager” So let’s gets this right, Sam has just taken on assumed all this? Taylor could say to him, what you on about Sam, why are you saying all this?! And of course he’s not, and I know this as well. Why has Finley become the spokesman on this, he’s a paid employee, he’s said the board need to sort it out. If it wasn’t a problem, Sam Finley wouldn’t have said this would he? I ask you Bridgewater, why did you think Sam felt the need to say this in an interview? Our manager needs supporting, Sam Finely defended him brilliantly and I’m glad he did as well I had said my bit, went to Bolton, all I had said before was spot on, I piped up because Finley said what I already knew, keep up pal. I said at the time but got shot down for it, so let me say it again for those who thought I was negative. The Barton to MT shift is probably the most expensive in the clubs history. Barton was given the keys to the kingdom. Sacking him & all his wise men will have been eye watering for the new men. Taylor will be on a huge wage, and gifted a very long deal. I honestly think the new owners massively don’t understand how football works, and tbh think a manager or head coach can do everything so ‘why do we need these other expensive people to help him’ hence no staff have come with him. Carlisle may well come in weeks / months, but I won’t hold my breath. January will be very intriguing as for what I’ve heard, on top of now Finley coming out and saying the new manager needs help (already!!!) and being very scathing of the club that’s really not a good sign. adds up with what a few of us on here have heard in that the owners are pumping in a lot more money than they initially thought they would, or even wanted to, just to keep ticking over, let alone push for promotion. If they think Taylor can do it all on his own, we’re all in for a very long winter and maybe even MT giving a bit of an ultimatum to the board. |
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Post by eric on Dec 23, 2023 23:13:23 GMT
Forgive anyone for giving a flying feck about your analysis of CB’s. Your favourite “Undroppable Tom” went on to do ok. Didn’t he? Well well well my stalker is back. Even though he said he would leave it alone. Grant isn't a Centre Back, never has been,never will be. You could always admit you got it wrong on Lockyer before moving on to new targets? Go on. You know you want to. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Dec 23, 2023 23:16:30 GMT
Looking at the bench today the only replacement for Collins was Brown, is he really going to be an improvement? I've no idea how Brown had such an impressive start to last season, as he's hardly done anything this season. I don’t see brown as being a replacement for Collins in a 352 . Brown is Evans substitute in my opinion in that formation. I think we could play Sinclair as right wing back and put Thomas up front alongside Marquis though. Thomas is arguably our best attacking player and he’s done a decent job this season wherever he’s played but he’s quick , skilful and has an eye for goal , get him up front. Completely different role and not sure he’d have the same effect up front, personally. Keep him doing what he’s doing. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Dec 23, 2023 23:42:57 GMT
Brilliant! I was 3 months old and never a chance of being there but that video has me beaming from ear to ear. Think we need another day like that! It was an amazing time. The previous match we beat 82 to win promotion and then days later we went up as Champions at Blackpool. We also had our first Wembley appearance to look forward too. One of the things about that team was how well balanced it was with very strong characters. A reason why they were so consistent and effective was because each player knew what they were supposed to be doing. |
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Post by socrates on Dec 23, 2023 23:44:50 GMT
I don’t see brown as being a replacement for Collins in a 352 . Brown is Evans substitute in my opinion in that formation. I think we could play Sinclair as right wing back and put Thomas up front alongside Marquis though. Thomas is arguably our best attacking player and he’s done a decent job this season wherever he’s played but he’s quick , skilful and has an eye for goal , get him up front. Completely different role and not sure he’d have the same effect up front, personally. Keep him doing what he’s doing. Fair enough , I’d try him there for one game at least. Nothing ventured nothing gained. He reminds me of Billy Bodin and I think he could be a 10 goals 10 assists player for us but he’s in danger of becoming a utility player for us whilst we’re not really utilising his expertise fully. Also as you say it’s a completely different role than playing as a wing back but do you really see Thomas as a wing back ? I see him as an attacking player who can potentially create and score many goals and he’s not doing that as a wing back is he ? |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Dec 23, 2023 23:46:54 GMT
Amazing times - thanks for posting, can go to sleep with a smile ! 😊💙 Utg
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Post by socrates on Dec 23, 2023 23:51:39 GMT
Brilliant! I was 3 months old and never a chance of being there but that video has me beaming from ear to ear. Think we need another day like that! It was an amazing time. The previous match we beat 82 to win promotion and then days later we went up as Champions at Blackpool. We also had our first Wembley appearance to look forward too. One of the things about that team was how well balanced it was with very strong characters. A reason why they were so consistent and effective was because each player knew what they were supposed to be doing. They say football is a simple game made complicated by tacticians and there’s never a better example. That Rovers side was the most balanced and effective side I’ve seen in my 40 odd years supporting us. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Dec 24, 2023 0:07:21 GMT
Completely different role and not sure he’d have the same effect up front, personally. Keep him doing what he’s doing. Fair enough , I’d try him there for one game at least. Nothing ventured nothing gained. He reminds me of Billy Bodin and I think he could be a 10 goals 10 assists player for us but he’s in danger of becoming a utility player for us whilst we’re not really utilising his expertise fully. Also as you say it’s a completely different role than playing as a wing back but do you really see Thomas as a wing back ? I see him as an attacking player who can potentially create and score many goals and he’s not doing that as a wing back is he ? Absolutely, there’s no other way of finding out other than playing him there. WB is not ideal for him but it’s hopefully short term and he’s shown he can still be a threat as well as carrying out defensive duties. I just feel that having seen the treatment given to our strikers over years, he wouldn’t offer the same attributes that make him the player he is. I’ve always thought of him as a tricky player who breaks lines and drives from deeper and out wide |
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Post by socrates on Dec 24, 2023 0:22:16 GMT
Fair enough , I’d try him there for one game at least. Nothing ventured nothing gained. He reminds me of Billy Bodin and I think he could be a 10 goals 10 assists player for us but he’s in danger of becoming a utility player for us whilst we’re not really utilising his expertise fully. Also as you say it’s a completely different role than playing as a wing back but do you really see Thomas as a wing back ? I see him as an attacking player who can potentially create and score many goals and he’s not doing that as a wing back is he ? Absolutely, there’s no other way of finding out other than playing him there. WB is not ideal for him but it’s hopefully short term and he’s shown he can still be a threat as well as carrying out defensive duties. I just feel that having seen the treatment given to our strikers over years, he wouldn’t offer the same attributes that make him the player he is. I’ve always thought of him as a tricky player who breaks lines and drives from deeper and out wide He’s best on the right of a 433 or 4231 I reckon , cutting in on his left like Bodin did. But in the 352 he’s normally too deep to be a 10 + goals and 10+ assists player for us as a wing back although he’s playing well there. Thing is he’s quality so he’ll put a shift in and play well pretty much everywhere. Going back to brown as I think you or another poster brought him up earlier I see Evans as our first choice attacking midfielder and I’d probably play Thomas there ahead of brown also. Haven’t been impressed with Brown at all and at times this season when him and Collins are both on the pitch we rarely look like scoring more than one goal which usually means we end up with a draw or defeat. Too pedestrian and reactive not proactive and Thomas makes us proactive when he’s in a forward role. Taylor can see these things I reckon , I feel he’s more on a realistic level than Barton who was bizarre all of the time and rarely got it tactically right. I’ve been impressed with our new manager so far in terms of his selection and tactics and it’s very early days he hasn’t even got his own staff on the door yet. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Dec 24, 2023 0:54:14 GMT
It was an amazing time. The previous match we beat 82 to win promotion and then days later we went up as Champions at Blackpool. We also had our first Wembley appearance to look forward too. One of the things about that team was how well balanced it was with very strong characters. A reason why they were so consistent and effective was because each player knew what they were supposed to be doing. They say football is a simple game made complicated by tacticians and there’s never a better example. That Rovers side was the most balanced and effective side I’ve seen in my 40 odd years supporting us. Down the left we had Vaughan Jones at left-back who rarely went past the half-way line whilst Phil 'Percy' Purnel stayed forward and wide so drawing-out the oppo right-back. On the right we had Ian 'Jocky' Alexander at right-back who got forwards (he had previously been a winger) whilst David 'Boris' Mayhew would cut inside to become a 3rd striker.
In central defence Steve Yates on the right had the pace to cover for Jocky and Boris whilst Geoff Twentyman on the left wasn't as quick but didn't need to be as left-back Vaughan Jones didn't go far forwards and Yates was quick cover.
In the middle Ollie would hunt down the opposition into making mistakes whilst Andy Reece made himself available.
Up front Big Devon White unsettled defenders being awkward to play against whilst Gary Penrice was quick to react. Penrice was sold and replaced by the experinced Carl Saunders who created movement linking with central midfield.
If that team was around these days then some people would be complaining that Devon White isn't fast, that Vaughan Jones doesn't get forwards etc. without understanding that they didn't need too because of the great balance of the team.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Dec 24, 2023 1:23:53 GMT
Which is funny because apparently JCH is too old, and Rhodes is 4 years older. (and Norburn) Didn't get to watch the match, so gonna skim the comments to see how we did even though we lost. Couldn't help the JCH comment though. Marquis is older than JCH but still JCH is too old for us. 😂 I don't think we were as bad as the comments on here will suggest. 1st half pretty even and a really good watch. Norburn with a worldie and a smart finish from Marquis saw honours even and probably a fair reflection of the first 45. 2nd half Cox made a poor attempt at a really easy chance to clear and we were punished 45 seconds in. We looked really shakey for a spell after that but it wasn't like Blackpool were all over us for long periods of the game. But for a very lucky offside decision, we could have have pulled it back to 2-2. After that it was Blackpool in control and they ran out deserved winners but it wasn't a hammering by any standards. Agreed. I took my sister and nephew (Gasheads) and my eldest niece’s husband (neutral…northern Irish Charlton fan). Consensus was both teams tried to produce a decent game despite the wind, we made a sloppy mistake just as the second half started and then got caught on the break chasing the equaliser which Thomas’s disallowed goal and Collins foiled one-on-one suggested we might get. Ultimately they had more players performing at par or above than we did, you can win games in L1 with a couple of substandard performers but only if the opposition has either equally as many, or more misfiring individuals and Blackpool didn’t. Thomas and Finley were our most prominent performers and there were at least two Blackpool players who achieved a higher level of performance than them. |
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Post by gashead79 on Dec 24, 2023 8:17:15 GMT
One win we are contenders for promotion, one loss, doom and gloom We are not good enough to go up- we are not bad enough to go down Looks like middle of table ish 🤔? 💙Utg 😄 Open the garage for Richs bus please? It's away until our next win. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 24, 2023 8:23:22 GMT
He said “its hard for him, he’s on his own, I feel sorry for him, needs to be sorted by the club, it’s difficult for the manager” So let’s gets this right, Sam has just taken on assumed all this? Taylor could say to him, what you on about Sam, why are you saying all this?! And of course he’s not, and I know this as well. Why has Finley become the spokesman on this, he’s a paid employee, he’s said the board need to sort it out. If it wasn’t a problem, Sam Finley wouldn’t have said this would he? I ask you Bridgewater, why did you think Sam felt the need to say this in an interview? Our manager needs supporting, Sam Finely defended him brilliantly and I’m glad he did as well I had said my bit, went to Bolton, all I had said before was spot on, I piped up because Finley said what I already knew, keep up pal. I said at the time but got shot down for it, so let me say it again for those who thought I was negative. The Barton to MT shift is probably the most expensive in the clubs history. Barton was given the keys to the kingdom. Sacking him & all his wise men will have been eye watering for the new men. Taylor will be on a huge wage, and gifted a very long deal. I honestly think the new owners massively don’t understand how football works, and tbh think a manager or head coach can do everything so ‘why do we need these other expensive people to help him’ hence no staff have come with him. Carlisle may well come in weeks / months, but I won’t hold my breath. January will be very intriguing as for what I’ve heard, on top of now Finley coming out and saying the new manager needs help (already!!!) and being very scathing of the club that’s really not a good sign. adds up with what a few of us on here have heard in that the owners are pumping in a lot more money than they initially thought they would, or even wanted to, just to keep ticking over, let alone push for promotion. If they think Taylor can do it all on his own, we’re all in for a very long winter and maybe even MT giving a bit of an ultimatum to the board. Why will Taylor be on a "huge" wage, he was hardly going to be in demand as an Exeter manager who'd just been sacked by the lowest paying Championship club, I'd imagine all he could demand is an average L1 manager's wage. We've no idea what compensation, if any, was paid to JB & co, if the owners found a way to dismiss them for gross misconduct, which seems possible, they may have not had to pay them anything. The owners could have dismissed the previous management regime for very little money and replaced them with just MT's wages so far. I've an uneasy feeling about the owners, as all the signs so far are that they are cutting costs not putting additional finances into the club. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 8:57:02 GMT
He said “its hard for him, he’s on his own, I feel sorry for him, needs to be sorted by the club, it’s difficult for the manager” So let’s gets this right, Sam has just taken on assumed all this? Taylor could say to him, what you on about Sam, why are you saying all this?! And of course he’s not, and I know this as well. Why has Finley become the spokesman on this, he’s a paid employee, he’s said the board need to sort it out. If it wasn’t a problem, Sam Finley wouldn’t have said this would he? I ask you Bridgewater, why did you think Sam felt the need to say this in an interview? Our manager needs supporting, Sam Finely defended him brilliantly and I’m glad he did as well I had said my bit, went to Bolton, all I had said before was spot on, I piped up because Finley said what I already knew, keep up pal. I said at the time but got shot down for it, so let me say it again for those who thought I was negative. The Barton to MT shift is probably the most expensive in the clubs history. Barton was given the keys to the kingdom. Sacking him & all his wise men will have been eye watering for the new men. Taylor will be on a huge wage, and gifted a very long deal. I honestly think the new owners massively don’t understand how football works, and tbh think a manager or head coach can do everything so ‘why do we need these other expensive people to help him’ hence no staff have come with him. Carlisle may well come in weeks / months, but I won’t hold my breath. January will be very intriguing as for what I’ve heard, on top of now Finley coming out and saying the new manager needs help (already!!!) and being very scathing of the club that’s really not a good sign. adds up with what a few of us on here have heard in that the owners are pumping in a lot more money than they initially thought they would, or even wanted to, just to keep ticking over, let alone push for promotion. If they think Taylor can do it all on his own, we’re all in for a very long winter and maybe even MT giving a bit of an ultimatum to the board. Very good post 78, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here. We will still be paying Barton and his team, cash flow wise with a window coming up, those wages are in the budget, paying out say £250k-£500k doesn’t make sense when you need to use this cash on signings. I would also add re FRP, if we paid them all off before the end of December, this would all go against 2023, we can load some of this into 2024. Topper mentions Taylor’s wage, I think he will be on a decent one, he took our job, he wasn’t unemployed, he could have sat on his wage for a year. Barton isn’t unemployed now, you are this when you are not paid a wage, you could still apply for a mortgage and be accepted! The new owners have taken on a top 8 budget at a major loss making business, £3 million in previous accounts. Energy gone through the roof and inflation, we’ve never had bigger overheads or playing budget. This new lot have soon found it sobering, adding on additional 2/3 management wages is only going to compound to the losses. We can’t find a thing re them on the net, do they have real football money? All we can do is stand back and support the side (which I do) but Finley took it on himself yesterday to go against the club. If it was close with Wayne Carlisle, why would he call out the club and say he feels sorry for the manager? We should have players coming in early in January if we are serious about having a go for 6th place shouldn’t we? Its watch this space stuff, I don’t think Finely was a sh**ter yesterday stirring up trouble, there is something in this. |
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Post by socrates on Dec 24, 2023 10:48:13 GMT
They say football is a simple game made complicated by tacticians and there’s never a better example. That Rovers side was the most balanced and effective side I’ve seen in my 40 odd years supporting us. Down the left we had Vaughan Jones at left-back who rarely went past the half-way line whilst Phil 'Percy' Purnel stayed forward and wide so drawing-out the oppo right-back. On the right we had Ian 'Jocky' Alexander at right-back who got forwards (he had previously been a winger) whilst David 'Boris' Mayhew would cut inside to become a 3rd striker.
In central defence Steve Yates on the right had the pace to cover for Jocky and Boris whilst Geoff Twentyman on the left wasn't as quick but didn't need to be as left-back Vaughan Jones didn't go far forwards and Yates was quick cover.
In the middle Ollie would hunt down the opposition into making mistakes whilst Andy Reece made himself available.
Up front Big Devon White unsettled defenders being awkward to play against whilst Gary Penrice was quick to react. Penrice was sold and replaced by the experinced Carl Saunders who created movement linking with central midfield.
If that team was around these days then some people would be complaining that Devon White isn't fast, that Vaughan Jones doesn't get forwards etc. without understanding that they didn't need too because of the great balance of the team.
Spot on. I can still see that team playing the way we played when I close my eyes now. |
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Post by tbonegas on Dec 24, 2023 11:38:41 GMT
Rotherham have a new boss and Wayne Carlisle has left the club. A reunion with Taylor is now a possibility.
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Post by Quarters on Dec 24, 2023 11:40:17 GMT
It was an amazing time. The previous match we beat 82 to win promotion and then days later we went up as Champions at Blackpool. We also had our first Wembley appearance to look forward too. One of the things about that team was how well balanced it was with very strong characters. A reason why they were so consistent and effective was because each player knew what they were supposed to be doing. They say football is a simple game made complicated by tacticians and there’s never a better example. That Rovers side was the most balanced and effective side I’ve seen in my 40 odd years supporting us. That was probably our most tactically aware manager. Every player in the squad knew their role. Francis made the game simple for us because the team was not the most gifted but could follow the tactics with heart and passion. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 24, 2023 11:50:31 GMT
It was an amazing time. The previous match we beat 82 to win promotion and then days later we went up as Champions at Blackpool. We also had our first Wembley appearance to look forward too. One of the things about that team was how well balanced it was with very strong characters. A reason why they were so consistent and effective was because each player knew what they were supposed to be doing. They say football is a simple game made complicated by tacticians and there’s never a better example. That Rovers side was the most balanced and effective side I’ve seen in my 40 odd years supporting us. Yes it was. Few, if any real stars, but a team who knew exactly what they had to do and did it. A true ‘team’. Perhaps before your time socrates but the promotion team of 73/74 was also a real team. Like the 89/90 team it rarely changed, Don M knew his best team and played it. Warboys and Bannister were perhaps the poster boys of that team but it was a real team based on defenders who could defend. Despite the 8-2 thrashing of Brighton it wasn’t a very attacking team, that win gave an impression we blew teams away. We didn’t, we wore them down and had a very good defence more than a very good attack. You're spot on about a simple game made complicated. Those two teams epitomised that saying. True teams who knew what they had to do supported by a true team spirit. UTG! |
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Post by socrates on Dec 24, 2023 12:30:28 GMT
They say football is a simple game made complicated by tacticians and there’s never a better example. That Rovers side was the most balanced and effective side I’ve seen in my 40 odd years supporting us. Yes it was. Few, if any real stars, but a team who knew exactly what they had to do and did it. A true ‘team’. Perhaps before your time socrates but the promotion team of 73/74 was also a real team. Like the 89/90 team it rarely changed, Don M knew his best team and played it. Warboys and Bannister were perhaps the poster boys of that team but it was a real team based on defenders who could defend. Despite the 8-2 thrashing of Brighton it wasn’t a very attacking team, that win gave an impression we blew teams away. We didn’t, we wore them down and had a very good defence more than a very good attack. You're spot on about a simple game made complicated. Those two teams epitomised that saying. True teams who knew what they had to do supported by a true team spirit. UTG! You’re right I was born in 78 starting supporting in 86 but love watching videos of that mid 70s side. UTG |
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