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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Jan 14, 2024 10:21:50 GMT
Hello. An Optimistic fan here. 😂 A winning run now can put us in a challenging position. Will it be tough. Yes. Is it possible? Yes. Has the club come from mid-table and been promoted? Yes. It’s not over. Never stop dreaming gasheads. I might be a dreamer but I know I’m not the only one. For me we are the best side I've seen this season. No doubt about that. We havnt played anyone and I've thought bloody hell they are really good like we saw last season with Ipswich , Plymouth and Bolton at times. Where we will fall short is that for us to be promotion contenders we had to keep hunt, Taylor,Wilson,ward,Finley ,Evans all fit. If either of them drops we just don't have the quality in depth to sustain a challenge. We are playing well against these top teams with depleted ranks but just can't match them with our silly errors from the squad players costing us. There is no chance whatsoever we finish top 6 this season. However if we can beat Norwich and get the million or so from the trip to anfield I honestly think under Taylor with a healthy budget next season we could do something special. I agree , that Norwich game is looking like the pinnacle of our season ,and a lucrative tie. |
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Post by gasify on Jan 14, 2024 10:43:11 GMT
Watching the extended highlights back there wasn't a lot between the teams, in fact we had decent chances to make it 2-1 just before Barnsley got the winner. Both Barnsley goals came as we looked weak down our left side, we desperately need Friend to get fit, and stay fit, or an experienced replacement to be signed, as I doubt Gordon is the answer this season and Grant always seems to be needed as a CB. McCormick looked to have a decent game but Brown a wasteful one, it's hard to see what MT sees in him over JM & AC. The difference was the goal keeper and the attack. They scored more from less chances. There were at least two goal mouth scrambles in their box, their goal keeper reacted quicker than anyone else. When Cole hot the post, it looked like we had already conceded the goal in our heads and turned off. Both Cox and Grant. The difference between being in top 6 and mid table in this league is pretty much down to very fine margins and a little bit of luck. We have benefitted from those fine margins and luck this season and we have lost to them. Blackpool and Barnsley, neither team played us off the pitch and both away commentators applauded they way we played and that we were one of the best teams this season to visit. We are nearly there, just not quite there. |
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Post by rovers78 on Jan 14, 2024 10:45:36 GMT
Hello. An Optimistic fan here. 😂 A winning run now can put us in a challenging position. Will it be tough. Yes. Is it possible? Yes. Has the club come from mid-table and been promoted? Yes. It’s not over. Never stop dreaming gasheads. I might be a dreamer but I know I’m not the only one. For me we are the best side I've seen this season. No doubt about that. We havnt played anyone and I've thought bloody hell they are really good like we saw last season with Ipswich , Plymouth and Bolton at times. Where we will fall short is that for us to be promotion contenders we had to keep hunt, Taylor,Wilson,ward,Finley ,Evans all fit. If either of them drops we just don't have the quality in depth to sustain a challenge. We are playing well against these top teams with depleted ranks but just can't match them with our silly errors from the squad players costing us. There is no chance whatsoever we finish top 6 this season. However if we can beat Norwich and get the million or so from the trip to anfield I honestly think under Taylor with a healthy budget next season we could do something special. Sorry, are you saying you think we are the best side you’ve seen so are the best side in the league this season?? Come on now let’s not be silly OTT here The reason we’ve looked good with those players fit is because they are good for the level. However the reason they came here is because we are paying them very well as we are very reliant on them, when in reality there’s no way in hell Hunt Wilson Friend could ever consistently play three games a week throughout the season, especially once we got to October onward. We can thank Joey for that 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Next season maybe yes but it’s yet another rebuild job with probably another 15 out and 15 in type scenario. At least we have an actual Grown up in charge to do it this time tho. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jan 14, 2024 10:59:52 GMT
No, what gashead would be? You’ll have to forgive us for being mistaken given your enthusiastic booming of a post predicting we’d lose 2-1. Personally, I was gutted we lost yesterday as for me it pretty much put a nail in our chances of a play off push. There’s no way I’d be so enthusiastic about getting a negative score right. Saved me the trouble of writing exactly the same thing |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 14, 2024 11:16:07 GMT
Too many changes of tack and internal struggles seems to be why, at least that is how I see it. Our lack of an in-house recruitment and a scouting team has not helped. I look at the teams who we used to play and how many of them have been promoted and yet I always saw us as the bigger club. You are right, it is shameful. For a bit of balance there are a lot of our old foes in league two and the national league 😁 Yes, and some that have gone up, down, and back again! Blackpool, Leyton Orient... |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 14, 2024 11:16:14 GMT
Think it's another game which confirms what most of us believe, we are good ,comfortable in the division but not quite there as far as a challenge at the top goes , it's good progress, may be frustrating for some as we seem so close but.... that's the reality .I think MT virtually has a free hit for rest of season and will be able to fine tune the squad and tactics ready for next season without being overly concerned if we lose now and again, yes we and he will wan to win every game but don't think we need to be that concerned about results as we aint going anywhere, we have a huge cup replay to look forward to with all that victory brings with it so still plenty to enthuse over, fans of the likes of Pompey have much more to worry about given their alarming slump in form!
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 14, 2024 11:17:14 GMT
Cox let in two goals neither of which he could have been expected to save. We missed six gilt edged chances all of which would probably have ended in the net with a striker like JCH. If not JCH we would have to pay similar amounts to get any other striker who scores goals regularly. Agents are going to try to get the best deal for their man-thats not being greedy-that is their job. If you want a decent striker ten you have to pay a decent amount. Be fair we paid a record fee for Tilson in 1989 and in 2024 we are expecting to pay less to get a goalscoring forward- we are in cloud cuckoo land.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jan 14, 2024 11:20:12 GMT
Is he going to get the money, tho ? 🤔🤔🤔💙
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 14, 2024 11:22:37 GMT
Considering the situation with injuries I hope we will have enough cover as we still have some way to go to achieve enough points to avoid relegation.
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 14, 2024 11:29:45 GMT
Cox let in two goals neither of which he could have been expected to save. We missed six gilt edged chances all of which would probably have ended in the net with a striker like JCH. If not JCH we would have to pay similar amounts to get any other striker who scores goals regularly. Agents are going to try to get the best deal for their man-thats not being greedy-that is their job. If you want a decent striker ten you have to pay a decent amount. Be fair we paid a record fee for Tilson in 1989 and in 2024 we are expecting to pay less to get a goalscoring forward- we are in cloud cuckoo land. There's people on this forum that would also have put those chances away. However you need to get there first and there's no guarantee that JCH gets into the same positions as Thomas or Brown because he's a different player! He would also create other types of chances but tackle back less.. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 14, 2024 11:33:22 GMT
Cox let in two goals neither of which he could have been expected to save. We missed six gilt edged chances all of which would probably have ended in the net with a striker like JCH. If not JCH we would have to pay similar amounts to get any other striker who scores goals regularly. Agents are going to try to get the best deal for their man-thats not being greedy-that is their job. If you want a decent striker ten you have to pay a decent amount. Be fair we paid a record fee for Tilson in 1989 and in 2024 we are expecting to pay less to get a goalscoring forward- we are in cloud cuckoo land. How much did Barnsley pay for Devante Cole? As far as yesterday's game, like most games, the chances don't all fall to the main striker, Brown(x2), McCormick and Thomas missed all the chances, Martin took one and nearly took the second one. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 14, 2024 11:35:48 GMT
Too many changes of tack and internal struggles seems to be why, at least that is how I see it. Our lack of an in-house recruitment and a scouting team has not helped. I look at the teams who we used to play and how many of them have been promoted and yet I always saw us as the bigger club. You are right, it is shameful. For a bit of balance there are a lot of our old foes in league two and the national league 😁 You’re both right. We really should be better than we are and you feel given really good ownership such as a ‘man or woman with a plan’ that we could have been Brentford, AFCB or Brighton esp given our names starts with a B! I think the nearest comparison is Bournemouth given we both had very rich foreign owners. One who planned his spending strategically (Denim) the other (AQ) liked the celebrity of it all but really didn’t have a workable plan. Especially given the potential that so many talk about.🤔 But you’re right eric, York, Chesterfield, Southend, Oldham and even Grimsby and many, many others have done worse and are reminders of what we could have been. So definitely a real balance out there. In the end we are just about where we are when I started supporting us in ‘66. Then we were promotion challengers now we’re just a tad below, same division but not really challenging. UTG! |
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Post by phillistine on Jan 14, 2024 11:47:50 GMT
For a bit of balance there are a lot of our old foes in league two and the national league 😁 You’re both right. We really should be better than we are and you feel given really good ownership such as a ‘man or woman with a plan’ that we could have been Brentford, AFCB or Brighton esp given our names starts with a B! I think the nearest comparison is Bournemouth given we both had very rich foreign owners. One who planned his spending strategically (Denim) the other (AQ) liked the celebrity of it all but really didn’t have a workable plan. Especially given the potential that so many talk about.🤔 But you’re right eric, York, Chesterfield, Southend, Oldham and even Grimsby and many, many others have done worse and are reminders of what we could have been. So definitely a real balance out there. In the end we are just about where we are when I started supporting us in ‘66. Then we were promotion challengers now we’re just a tad below, same division but not really challenging. UTG! i started supporting in the early 60's and was fortunate to do some consultancy work for he club for about 10 years. Whilst you can argue that a snapshot of the footballing side is comparable to that period , the changes in the structure of the club are vastly different. Those were completely different times and we rightly earned the reputation of rag bag Rovers as we were getting along on a wing and a prayer . Credit to the managers at that time because they were maximising the potential of what was available to them. Now however we seem to have a much more solid foundation with proper trainng facilities and an improving ground that we own- debt free. We are now correctly geared to moving upwards playing wise - which is not something that you could have said for the 60's |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 14, 2024 11:53:53 GMT
Cox let in two goals neither of which he could have been expected to save. We missed six gilt edged chances all of which would probably have ended in the net with a striker like JCH. If not JCH we would have to pay similar amounts to get any other striker who scores goals regularly. Agents are going to try to get the best deal for their man-thats not being greedy-that is their job. If you want a decent striker ten you have to pay a decent amount. Be fair we paid a record fee for Tilson in 1989 and in 2024 we are expecting to pay less to get a goalscoring forward- we are in cloud cuckoo land. There's people on this forum that would also have put those chances away. However you need to get there first and there's no guarantee that JCH gets into the same positions as Thomas or Brown because he's a different player! He would also create other types of chances but tackle back less.. The problem with both the chances, presuming they are the chances I’m thinking of, is that both players are very left footed. They were much easier to convert had they gone with their right. Thomas (first half) had to cut back inside onto his left and Brown (second half) had to snatch at it to hit it with his preferred foot. A quality finisher, even at this level, would have had enough confidence in his weaker foot. |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Jan 14, 2024 12:20:34 GMT
Yesterday was nothing new, another game we had the better of but still lost. Players playing out of position, lack of experience and injuries is really hurting us. Vale gets caught out of position in a back four, another goal from his mistake, great player but not sure it's his position? . For what it's worth, Grant has improved massively the last few games, hope it continues. With hindsight we really should of started the season with an experienced keeper, it would make so much difference to our young back line, talking and marshelling the defence. After reading some of the comments about Brown on here, I thought he'd had a terrible game, but again thought he looked really dangerous, just missing that bit of luck, definitely didn't get much help from the ref. Just needs a goal and a bit of belief. On another day stick Wilson and Grant in the team and we win that game comfortably.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 14, 2024 12:32:50 GMT
You’re both right. We really should be better than we are and you feel given really good ownership such as a ‘man or woman with a plan’ that we could have been Brentford, AFCB or Brighton esp given our names starts with a B! I think the nearest comparison is Bournemouth given we both had very rich foreign owners. One who planned his spending strategically (Denim) the other (AQ) liked the celebrity of it all but really didn’t have a workable plan. Especially given the potential that so many talk about.🤔 But you’re right eric, York, Chesterfield, Southend, Oldham and even Grimsby and many, many others have done worse and are reminders of what we could have been. So definitely a real balance out there. In the end we are just about where we are when I started supporting us in ‘66. Then we were promotion challengers now we’re just a tad below, same division but not really challenging. UTG! i started supporting in the early 60's and was fortunate to do some consultancy work for he club for about 10 years. Whilst you can argue that a snapshot of the footballing side is comparable to that period , the changes in the structure of the club are vastly different. Those were completely different times and we rightly earned the reputation of rag bag Rovers as we were getting along on a wing and a prayer . Credit to the managers at that time because they were maximising the potential of what was available to them. Now however we seem to have a much more solid foundation with proper trainng facilities and an improving ground that we own- debt free. We are now correctly geared to moving upwards playing wise - which is not something that you could have said for the 60's Thank you. Im sure you’re correct about many things. I was commenting on specific posts and a bottom line that more or less says we’re in the same position now as we were then. Of course things have changed and I’m sure you’re right about some of the improvements. And from my memory, which may not be the best, but I’m pretty sure we weren’t known then (the 60s) as ‘ragbag Rovers’. That was a name given to us by SC this century. Of course we suffered having only a rented ground, Eastville, but we had proper scouting and recruiting staff, a ground (in the 60s) that was superior to the Mem and better than many grounds then. We actually paid transfer fees in the 70s and we were considered a comparably well run club. You only have to see some of the personnel then, Tann, Dodgin, Ford, Campbell even some of the Chairmen (unexciting perhaps but people who ran a tight ship). Of course after the fire Eastville deteriorated rapidly through the late 70s and 80s and we suffered. So whilst I can appreciate what you’ve said, I’m not sure that I can agree that we have more ‘solid foundation’ now. Yes we have training facilities but I’m struggling to see anything else specifically that we didn’t have then. And as to your last sentence, that is completely misleading, imo. After promotion in ‘74 we lasted some years until ‘81 in Division 2 comfortably, albeit in the bottom half. Now, without a lot of expenditure and a re-set every single season it seems we are light years away from a 7 year stint in the Championship or even a one year stay, and even probably some distance away from a serious challenge in League 1. Which is why everybody on here gets excited when we have an away win in this league and start talking about promotion. I wish it would and I’m an optimist but realistically we need more to make a sustained challenge. And are we debt free? I’m not sure. Of course football has changed but I’m sure that we’ve really not kept up with the changes that have happened. Some, our previous rivals, have changed and adapted well and are doing better in the leagues above us and no longer think about us. Other rivals have not done so well which were the points others made and are far lower down the chain than us and that was the point I was commenting on. League-wise were in a similar position to the 60s but remain light years away from the Championship or being comfortable there. (Probably the MDT is not the place to be discussing this so apologies to those who just wanted to read about yesterday!! 😉) UTG! |
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Post by wallywalters on Jan 14, 2024 12:45:43 GMT
For me we are the best side I've seen this season. No doubt about that. We havnt played anyone and I've thought bloody hell they are really good like we saw last season with Ipswich , Plymouth and Bolton at times. Where we will fall short is that for us to be promotion contenders we had to keep hunt, Taylor,Wilson,ward,Finley ,Evans all fit. If either of them drops we just don't have the quality in depth to sustain a challenge. We are playing well against these top teams with depleted ranks but just can't match them with our silly errors from the squad players costing us. There is no chance whatsoever we finish top 6 this season. However if we can beat Norwich and get the million or so from the trip to anfield I honestly think under Taylor with a healthy budget next season we could do something special. Sorry, are you saying you think we are the best side you’ve seen so are the best side in the league this season?? Come on now let’s not be silly OTT here The reason we’ve looked good with those players fit is because they are good for the level. However the reason they came here is because we are paying them very well as we are very reliant on them, when in reality there’s no way in hell Hunt Wilson Friend could ever consistently play three games a week throughout the season, especially once we got to October onward. We can thank Joey for that 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Next season maybe yes but it’s yet another rebuild job with probably another 15 out and 15 in type scenario. At least we have an actual Grown up in charge to do it this time tho. That's exactly what I'm saying. Name me one side who have absolutely battered us off the park this season. You won't find one. When we have our first 11 out there we are more than a match for anyone. We have played the top 6 teams and been the better team against them in defeats against Oxford, barnsley and derby. Then we have beat Bolton and Portsmouth. The only side I thought may have been as good if not slightly better was posh but that's debatable and is a game we could of won. |
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Post by wallywalters on Jan 14, 2024 12:48:56 GMT
For me we are the best side I've seen this season. No doubt about that. We havnt played anyone and I've thought bloody hell they are really good like we saw last season with Ipswich , Plymouth and Bolton at times. Where we will fall short is that for us to be promotion contenders we had to keep hunt, Taylor,Wilson,ward,Finley ,Evans all fit. If either of them drops we just don't have the quality in depth to sustain a challenge. We are playing well against these top teams with depleted ranks but just can't match them with our silly errors from the squad players costing us. There is no chance whatsoever we finish top 6 this season. However if we can beat Norwich and get the million or so from the trip to anfield I honestly think under Taylor with a healthy budget next season we could do something special. Sorry, are you saying you think we are the best side you’ve seen so are the best side in the league this season?? Come on now let’s not be silly OTT here The reason we’ve looked good with those players fit is because they are good for the level. However the reason they came here is because we are paying them very well as we are very reliant on them, when in reality there’s no way in hell Hunt Wilson Friend could ever consistently play three games a week throughout the season, especially once we got to October onward. We can thank Joey for that 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Next season maybe yes but it’s yet another rebuild job with probably another 15 out and 15 in type scenario. At least we have an actual Grown up in charge to do it this time tho. Every side in that top 6 are paying their players well most more than us in fact. So that argument holds no value. As for it being Joey's fault they keep getting injured you are partially correct he took gambles on superb players who are prone to injury. It's extremely frustrating but we would struggle to afford that quality of player if they weren't injury prone. I don't think even the most fervent of Barton haters could argue he didn't recruit very good footballers. When fit they are a joy to watch. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 14, 2024 13:04:25 GMT
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Post by keygas on Jan 14, 2024 13:04:27 GMT
13 points off play offs. Think even the most optimistic of fan should kiss goodbye to any thought of that. Hello. An Optimistic fan here. 😂 A winning run now can put us in a challenging position. Will it be tough. Yes. Is it possible? Yes. Has the club come from mid-table and been promoted? Yes. It’s not over. Never stop dreaming gasheads. I might be a dreamer but I know I’m not the only one. I share your optimism, 21 matches to go, 12 at home,9 away, with the right recruitment in this transfer window, I still think we can mount a challenge in the second half of the season. |
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