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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 7, 2024 17:15:24 GMT
Those two wins papering over the cracks got me excited of a legendary climb to steal 6th place. After last night I'm just hoping we don't drop like a stone and have squeaky bums until may. Probably be more interesting than watching dead rubbers 🤔🙃💙Utg
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 7, 2024 18:58:56 GMT
Still can't understand why he plays a lone striker against a team nervously fighting relegation. Although our striker force is very limited . A more attacking style of play could of resulted in a different result. Still unsure about Taylor !. See all the pearl grasping, morally superior monotone Matt supporters are out in force, with a number seemly wanting to blame Joey for a diabolical performance last night which included a number of the players which had been brought into the team by "its their fault" Matty. In fairness to Tails the last two performances were really good, the four defeats previously not so; got to say last night getting drenched from head to toe I just could not understand why he decided to play all three loanees, why when we were two nil down he brought on defenders and why he waited so long to bring on "super Johnny Marquis". That said, I still currently believe the team can earn 12 more points to reach safety, providing we don't have to play in any driving rain. Utg. My sentiments exactly re; the loanees , and bringing on defenders 🤔🤔🤔🤔💙Utg
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Post by wertongas on Feb 7, 2024 19:01:03 GMT
Have been suffering from a virus so missed last nights game thank fully. But when i looked up the team sheet for last night online, and I thought after seeeing it, we have no chance of winning this game against a team that won 3-0 on Saturday and have recently loaned in players that have played in the Premier league. We had an inexperienced team as it was, so why drop some of our most experienced players stick them on the bench and replace them with players that have hardly played a dozen league games. Thing is players should be fit enough to play Sat, Tues, Sat and managers should be playing the strongest side possible, that side MT started with last nihgt handed victory to bottom of the table Fleetwwod .
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 7, 2024 19:03:42 GMT
Glad Barton went in the end , happy with the appointment of Taylor . But… he picked the wrong side last night , the tactics were poor and his substitutions were just baffling . Don’t agree with the first bit, he defo picked the wrong side, tactics were mysterious 🤔 substitutions were definitely baffling to put it mildly 🫣💙Utg
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 19:04:33 GMT
Here you go, your last sentence. Well it’s not his squad so let’s judge his football when it is, I mean he was left with so much pace wasn’t he up front! You ain’t interested, that’s fine, you were not interested at the start, your hero was sacked! Just had a look at who liked your posts, good old Betty! And before you mention, Dust, you mentioned him. You ain’t getting the wife beater back pal, move on, you sound not interested, Gas Girls or Mangos 👍 MT renewed CM contract, paid surprisingly big money by our standards for Conteh, and signed BA, Vaughan and El Kanon loan, plus picked Ward over Cox, I make that 6 out of the 11 players who started last night. You could just imagine the melt down on here today if JB had brought on 3 defenders last night when we were already losing 2-0 to a bottom 4 side. I won’t do what you do and ignore a poster. Proper 💩🏠 post by you again, I don’t remember anyone hammering the Messiah when he decided to take us out of Div1 without a fight playing Pab Martinez every week. Read my posts, the manager got it wrong but obviously feels he has to try his loan players because what he inherited isn’t good enough or can’t play twice in a week. Give the manager a chance, we gave the previous one a relegation first. Topper, best squad of the century, you hoping Aguilera can recommend us some Costa Rican players, make it a hat trick, anymore bright ideas or statements?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 7, 2024 19:04:58 GMT
Players have to carry some of the can for that performance too, mind. I might be well off the mark, but Wilson looked culpable for both goals to me and seemed quick to remonstrate with others after them. The substitutions did look odd, but without being arsed to analyse the before and after I just assumed it was a change of shape, not just replacing forwards with defenders. I've seen us chasing games under previous managers who end up with 6 forwards on the pitch to no avail too. I suppose I'm defending Taylor a bit here, but the tools at his disposal last night were lacking CT, GW and SF. I do think starting Vaughan was a mistake in those conditions against those opponents though. As for playing BA further up, I doubt it would have worked any better. He'd have been suffocated and bullied. I presume the idea was for him to get more time on the ball playing deeper, with Conteh cleaning up and feeding him. Ultimately, we were out fought and out thought, but some of the more experienced players let us down as they were either not completely fit or up for it enough I can't understand why MT rested LT, surely we needed to bag the 3 pts on offer last night rather than worry about Saturday, a win last night with Stevenage also losing would have kept the momentum going, now the season looks over once we get to 50 pts. Playing both Vaughan and BA seemed an odd move against such a physical side particularly given the conditions. What I can't understand is what happens after half time in virtually every game, as we go in at half time either winning or at least matching the opposition, then seem to get totally outplayed in the second half and fail to make any clear cut chances, even at Exeter we had to rely upon Ward making saves to win the game.
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 19:21:50 GMT
Players have to carry some of the can for that performance too, mind. I might be well off the mark, but Wilson looked culpable for both goals to me and seemed quick to remonstrate with others after them. The substitutions did look odd, but without being arsed to analyse the before and after I just assumed it was a change of shape, not just replacing forwards with defenders. I've seen us chasing games under previous managers who end up with 6 forwards on the pitch to no avail too. I suppose I'm defending Taylor a bit here, but the tools at his disposal last night were lacking CT, GW and SF. I do think starting Vaughan was a mistake in those conditions against those opponents though. As for playing BA further up, I doubt it would have worked any better. He'd have been suffocated and bullied. I presume the idea was for him to get more time on the ball playing deeper, with Conteh cleaning up and feeding him. Ultimately, we were out fought and out thought, but some of the more experienced players let us down as they were either not completely fit or up for it enough I can't understand why MT rested LT, surely we needed to bag the 3 pts on offer last night rather than worry about Saturday, a win last night with Stevenage also losing would have kept the momentum going, now the season looks over once we get to 50 pts. Playing both Vaughan and BA seemed an odd move against such a physical side particularly given the conditions. What I can't understand is what happens after half time in virtually every game, as we go in at half time either winning or at least matching the opposition, then seem to get totally outplayed in the second half and fail to make any clear cut chances, even at Exeter we had to rely upon Ward making saves to win the game. Not sure about Thomas, maybe there's a slight injury concern or something else we don't know about. As for getting worse in games, maybe we get found out a bit. We were poor 1st half then even worse 2nd. Fleetwood would have known how to beat us at half time and that would have been to keep doing what they were doing, getting men around the ball, pressing as a team in certain areas and winning their individual battles. Once they'd scored it was effectively game over as we hardly troubled them. A few goalmouth scrambles in the 1st half and a missed chance (which probably lost us the game). We wouldn't have scored if we were still playing now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 7, 2024 19:26:10 GMT
I can't understand why MT rested LT, surely we needed to bag the 3 pts on offer last night rather than worry about Saturday, a win last night with Stevenage also losing would have kept the momentum going, now the season looks over once we get to 50 pts. Playing both Vaughan and BA seemed an odd move against such a physical side particularly given the conditions. What I can't understand is what happens after half time in virtually every game, as we go in at half time either winning or at least matching the opposition, then seem to get totally outplayed in the second half and fail to make any clear cut chances, even at Exeter we had to rely upon Ward making saves to win the game. Not sure about Thomas, maybe there's a slight injury concern or something else we don't know about. As for getting worse in games, maybe we get found out a bit. We were poor 1st half then even worse 2nd. Fleetwood would have known how to beat us at half time and that would have been to keep doing what they were doing, getting men around the ball, pressing as a team in certain areas and winning their individual battles. Once they'd scored it was effectively game over as we hardly troubled them. A few goalmouth scrambles in the 1st half and a missed chance (which probably lost us the game). We wouldn't have scored if we were still playing now. Not sure we were that poor in the first half, the goalie got lucky with Martin's shot after a good move and with LT's shot he palmed around the post, we probably had a coupe of other chances, in the second had only Marquis had a chance and CM did nothing apart from pick up two needless yellows. LT played virtually all the match so it seems unlikely he had a slight injury.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 7, 2024 19:27:33 GMT
Bit tedious innit? We lost, it was sh**, next game anyone? In other news. My jeans dried by about 11:30 today. 🤣 my coat is still hanging in the bathroom dripping - not dried out by a long way - I literally poured the water out of my trainers ! Awful night ! 💙
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 7, 2024 19:30:42 GMT
Not sure about Thomas, maybe there's a slight injury concern or something else we don't know about. As for getting worse in games, maybe we get found out a bit. We were poor 1st half then even worse 2nd. Fleetwood would have known how to beat us at half time and that would have been to keep doing what they were doing, getting men around the ball, pressing as a team in certain areas and winning their individual battles. Once they'd scored it was effectively game over as we hardly troubled them. A few goalmouth scrambles in the 1st half and a missed chance (which probably lost us the game). We wouldn't have scored if we were still playing now. Not sure we were that poor in the first half, the goalie got lucky with Martin's shot after a good move and with LT's shot he palmed around the post, we probably had a coupe of other chances, in the second had only Marquis had a chance and CM did nothing apart from pick up two needless yellows. LT played virtually all the match so it seems unlikely he had a slight injury. Yeah, maybe not as bad as I remember. There were a few moments but we went in 1 nil down after conceding a poor goal against a fairly average (although organised and hard working) Fleetwood Town
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Post by heartofgas on Feb 7, 2024 21:35:56 GMT
Let's be fair. The conditions were awful and in hindsight maybe we would have been better calling it off.
Still it's no excuse for p*ss poor defending. It gave us an up hill battle. Not a great night but I think we needed the realism. Probably not in danger of the R word and not good enough to get anywhere near promotion.
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Post by RD on Feb 7, 2024 21:44:38 GMT
The league table says we're a midtable side.... my eyes tell me we're a midtable side.
As incredibly frustrating as it is, what to midtable sides do? They win some - they lose some. They're inconsistent - they're unpredictable. They can go toe-to-toe with the best side in the league one week, and get humiliated by the bottom team the next.
That's us. We're a midtable team.
As incredibly frustrating as it is, we need to try and remember that and avoid going from "promotion / playoff hunt" to "worse performance I've seen in years, we're going down" every 4-7 days.
Hopefully Taylor can re-build the club in the summer, and get us to a place where we have a much better balanced squad, with less injury prone players; then will be the time to review his performance. Until then, we need to accept that we will be in for a good number of jekyll and hyde performances.
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 7, 2024 21:46:26 GMT
Let's be fair. The conditions were awful and in hindsight maybe we would have been better calling it off. Still it's no excuse for p*ss poor defending. It gave us an up hill battle. Not a great night but I think we needed the realism. Probably not in danger of the R word and not good enough to get anywhere near promotion. Referees call off games I thought? The conditions were equal for both sides. We were at home which is supposed to be an advantage 🤐 They had a handful of supporters. We had enough chances and good enough players to beat teams at the bottom of the league. Need to stop looking for external excuses imo. The manager and the players need to take ownership for a huge fail.
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Post by wider on Feb 8, 2024 0:04:12 GMT
Last night was the first time ever that I wondered why I was at the game - just after Stockley scored, apparently unopposed. It’s taken me 62 years of support to reach that low.
I wasn’t optimistic when I saw the team sheet wondering why Vaughan and Baggott were starting. I then thought about who else did we have and realised too many are injured or at least needed resting. Sadly, I felt MT probably didn’t have many options. Then Jack Hunt is injured and LT didn’t get his planned rest after all.
We weren’t a cohesive unit - that was my main worry before the start - could we gel?I didn’t understand the second half substitutions, or agree but MT doesn’t claim to be perfect.] I felt we really missed Connor Taylor last night, I hope he is back again soon (but not taking any risks please, we have too many long term crocks). Like wise Sam Finley.
I travelled from Bath by motorcycle so was reasonably well protected against the weather. However, the damp had got in on the shoulder seams. It was that bit of damp and the second goal going in that made me wonder why I bothered when several mates were watching via iPlayer, dry and warm. It was still watering down all the way home. I was wet through to the underpants and my gear has only just stopped dripping. It won’t be dry till Friday at least, especially the leather bits.
Anyway, I’ll be there Saturday come what may cause that’s what we supporters do. UTG!
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 8, 2024 6:25:31 GMT
Last night was the first time ever that I wondered why I was at the game - just after Stockley scored, apparently unopposed. It’s taken me 62 years of support to reach that low. I wasn’t optimistic when I saw the team sheet wondering why Vaughan and Baggott were starting. I then thought about who else did we have and realised too many are injured or at least needed resting. Sadly, I felt MT probably didn’t have many options. Then Jack Hunt is injured and LT didn’t get his planned rest after all. We weren’t a cohesive unit - that was my main worry before the start - could we gel?I didn’t understand the second half substitutions, or agree but MT doesn’t claim to be perfect.] I felt we really missed Connor Taylor last night, I hope he is back again soon (but not taking any risks please, we have too many long term crocks). Like wise Sam Finley. I travelled from Bath by motorcycle so was reasonably well protected against the weather. However, the damp had got in on the shoulder seams. It was that bit of damp and the second goal going in that made me wonder why I bothered when several mates were watching via iPlayer, dry and warm. It was still watering down all the way home. I was wet through to the underpants and my gear has only just stopped dripping. It won’t be dry till Friday at least, especially the leather bits. Anyway, I’ll be there Saturday come what may cause that’s what we supporters do. UTG! Great commitment albeit its not great weather for 2 wheels.. Supporters loyally turning up to cheer on the team sounds admirable but what good does it do? Did it inspire Fleetwood more than our players? We had players hardly putting in a shift and making really poor decisions. We lose that game in front of 2000 or 20000 and the supporters just put money in the coffers. Our players at Rovers don't respond to the crowd imo. They do at some clubs but not ours sadly. We haven't got a relationship between squad and fanbase at all. Are any of our players Rovers fans or family associated?
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Post by gasify on Feb 8, 2024 7:46:02 GMT
Last night was the first time ever that I wondered why I was at the game - just after Stockley scored, apparently unopposed. It’s taken me 62 years of support to reach that low. I wasn’t optimistic when I saw the team sheet wondering why Vaughan and Baggott were starting. I then thought about who else did we have and realised too many are injured or at least needed resting. Sadly, I felt MT probably didn’t have many options. Then Jack Hunt is injured and LT didn’t get his planned rest after all. We weren’t a cohesive unit - that was my main worry before the start - could we gel?I didn’t understand the second half substitutions, or agree but MT doesn’t claim to be perfect.] I felt we really missed Connor Taylor last night, I hope he is back again soon (but not taking any risks please, we have too many long term crocks). Like wise Sam Finley. I travelled from Bath by motorcycle so was reasonably well protected against the weather. However, the damp had got in on the shoulder seams. It was that bit of damp and the second goal going in that made me wonder why I bothered when several mates were watching via iPlayer, dry and warm. It was still watering down all the way home. I was wet through to the underpants and my gear has only just stopped dripping. It won’t be dry till Friday at least, especially the leather bits. Anyway, I’ll be there Saturday come what may cause that’s what we supporters do. UTG! Great commitment albeit its not great weather for 2 wheels.. Supporters loyally turning up to cheer on the team sounds admirable but what good does it do? Did it inspire Fleetwood more than our players? We had players hardly putting in a shift and making really poor decisions. We lose that game in front of 2000 or 20000 and the supporters just put money in the coffers. Our players at Rovers don't respond to the crowd imo. They do at some clubs but not ours sadly. We haven't got a relationship between squad and fanbase at all. Are any of our players Rovers fans or family associated? There is usually an unspoken relationship between the players and the crowd. They are supposed to get each other going. The crowd noise on Tuesday was a little quiet, but the performance on the pitch engineerd the situation where you could hear 5 people signing in the away end from the Thatchers.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 8, 2024 9:45:54 GMT
The league table says we're a midtable side.... my eyes tell me we're a midtable side. As incredibly frustrating as it is, what to midtable sides do? They win some - they lose some. They're inconsistent - they're unpredictable. They can go toe-to-toe with the best side in the league one week, and get humiliated by the bottom team the next. That's us. We're a midtable team. As incredibly frustrating as it is, we need to try and remember that and avoid going from "promotion / playoff hunt" to "worse performance I've seen in years, we're going down" every 4-7 days. Hopefully Taylor can re-build the club in the summer, and get us to a place where we have a much better balanced squad, with less injury prone players; then will be the time to review his performance. Until then, we need to accept that we will be in for a good number of jekyll and hyde performances. Yep RD. frustrating though it is sometimes ,that's exactly where we are and probably have been for all my years of supporting Rovers, and that's a long time!
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Feb 8, 2024 10:11:46 GMT
If everyone could stop being so ruddy bi-polar after every match it would be a start.
We are ,and have been since August, a mid table third tier side. Nothing more, and certainly nothing less. We have yet to put together a run of three straight wins all season.
The previous permanent manager set us up to play pretty football, but forgot that at this level there are lots of teams who prefer to play a simpler, more physical game with a win at all costs approach. Especially those with less resources than us. We have struggled to compete in any of these games all season.
At the other end there are half a dozen teams with bigger resources, bigger fan bases and a lot more spending power. All of these have played in the Prem at some point. Bar gambling and potentially putting the club into administration (or as I like to call it, doing a Swindon) it’s going to be hard to compete financially with these. Also it has been historically hard to attract players to Bristol from places like London and the North West.
There have been faults from all three managers this season, as well as individual player errors. The seeming lack of desire against both Exeter and Fleetwood at home compared to opposition who a fighting to stay up I found worrying. The lack of an out and out goalscorer has hamstrung us all season. I genuinely don’t believe JCH is the magic solution to this, and Martin has done well to paper over the cracks, but this is the absolute priority this summer.
In conclusion let’s just accept we are where we are, and to progress it’s going to need a change in personnel and mindset through the off season. I trust Taylor totally in this, he has previous success with both Exeter and Rotherham to achieve this. But we as fans really need to temper our reactions, as it just becomes exhausting to be so up or down all the time. As someone who has Mental Health issues maybe we need some collective CBT?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 8, 2024 10:37:03 GMT
Very good post - true, it is absolutely exhausting jumping from elation to despair on a regular basis - a bit of ‘chill’ would be no bad thing !!!! UTG 💙
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 8, 2024 10:55:27 GMT
Very good post - true, it is absolutely exhausting jumping from elation to despair on a regular basis - a bit of ‘chill’ would be no bad thing !!!! UTG 💙 Perhaps the club itself needs to do similar, after Saturday's win MT was clearly suggesting a top 6 push was still on, that probably encourage a few of us to brave the weather on Tuesday night rather than just sit at home and watch the game on iFollow, then he criticised the players post match, so we all get deflated and let off steam by ranting on here. I'd imagine pre match MT will say something along the lines that Stevenage's defeat means a top 6 push is still not beyond us!!
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