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Post by singupgas on Mar 30, 2024 10:14:24 GMT
Interesting you mentioned Evans, I never given it a thought that he looking elsewhere, but I did think it strange when he was subbed yesterday he walked straight off without the normal hug/pat on the back from the manager. Probably nothing more than social media BS that has become Gaschat fact. Why wouldn't he be looking elsewhere, one of our best players and likely has ambition to play in the Championship. We are wayyy off being there. |
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Post by gasify on Mar 30, 2024 10:28:32 GMT
Probably nothing more than social media BS that has become Gaschat fact. Why wouldn't he be looking elsewhere, one of our best players and likely has ambition to play in the Championship. We are wayyy off being there. He won't be playing in the Championship if he keeps missing 'sitters' like the one presented to him on a plate in the opening exchanges of the 2nd half yesterday. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Mar 30, 2024 10:50:37 GMT
The players we have are well capable of getting promoted, matchs early in in his reign, like at Bolton where we were superb. So if the players ARE good enough then you have to question the managers capability to lead them Two managers have proved that this team is not good enough for promotion. I think you have to question the players. Players should be turning up to training with motivation and turning up to games with motivation. However one manager (Mangan) proved they were good enough. |
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Post by supergas on Mar 30, 2024 11:20:52 GMT
Two managers have proved that this team is not good enough for promotion. I think you have to question the players. Players should be turning up to training with motivation and turning up to games with motivation. However one manager (Mangan) proved they were good enough. The number of games was way to small to judge Mangan. Five league games, two wins and defeated by the only serious promotion-chasing team is not suggesting he was a tactical or coaching genius who we ditched too soon.... |
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Post by gasify on Mar 30, 2024 11:51:33 GMT
Two managers have proved that this team is not good enough for promotion. I think you have to question the players. Players should be turning up to training with motivation and turning up to games with motivation. However one manager (Mangan) proved they were good enough. The results happened, however looking back at the Matchday threads: Northampton home - Match 1Reading away - Match 2Carlise away - Match 3Newport away (EFL Trophy) - Match 4Derby away - Match 5Leyton Orient home - Match 6Going back and looking at those threads again, it doesn't really tell a story of Mangan proving they were good enough. IMHO all it does is show that the situation we are in now is very similar to the situation we were in then. Taylor came in and got some good results and then since the Norwich home game, the players seem to have gone back to pre Taylor form. I was starting to have a wobble about Taylor, but looking at these threads again makes me think he is the right man for the job. In each one of those threads with the exception of Derby away, players are being blamed for mistakes, the managers tactics. The only difference is that Taylor has come out and said they are weak, whereas Mangan didn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2024 12:20:00 GMT
To all those now on their high horse about the Scouse comment …
Wait and see how many are still here next season and what comes out potentially when they are gone.
If I’m wrong I will stand you a pint before a game next season.
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Post by returnofthedust on Mar 30, 2024 12:32:03 GMT
To all those now on their high horse about the Scouse comment … Wait and see how many are still here next season and what comes out potentially when they are gone. If I’m wrong I will stand you a pint before a game next season. Two are out of contract and not good enough. One is in contract and will move to a better side than us and the other is in contract and not good enough. It’s hardly a shock none of them will be here next year is it? |
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Post by returngas on Mar 30, 2024 13:14:16 GMT
I suspect the players wanted Mangan as manager but I guess his closeness to Barton ruled that out from the owners perspective. I suspect the owners were right as the links with Barton needed to be fully severed and it was clear the pair were close.
I thought MT might well be a good fit but I do now have some doubts. His honesty in interviews can come across as rather negative and if players are struggling with confidence then listening to MT may not exactly be confidence building or motivating. I'm not convinced he is that great in terms of team strategy but the squad might limit what he can do. That said perhaps he tried encouragement and has now moved to telling them as it is.
His only permanent signing Conteh has been positive and I hope this suggests he has a good eye for a player.
I think we have to give him the summer to judge and he will know that if the team's outside the top 10 as Christmas approaches then his days might be numbered. I think he knows what is expected and the test is whether he can attract the quality of the players needed to achieve it.
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Post by returnofthedust on Mar 30, 2024 13:25:42 GMT
I suspect the players wanted Mangan as manager but I guess his closeness to Barton ruled that out from the owners perspective. I suspect the owners were right as the links with Barton needed to be fully severed and it was clear the pair were close. I thought MT might well be a good fit but I do now have some doubts. His honesty in interviews can come across as rather negative and if players are struggling with confidence then listening to MT may not exactly be confidence building or motivating. I'm not convinced he is that great in terms of team strategy but the squad might limit what he can do. That said perhaps he tried encouragement and has now moved to telling them as it is. His only permanent signing Conteh has been positive and I hope this suggests he has a good eye for a player. I think we have to give him the summer to judge and he will know that if the team's outside the top 10 as Christmas approaches then his days might be numbered. I think he knows what is expected and the test is whether he can attract the quality of the players needed to achieve it. I agree with everything you’ve said here. |
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Post by eric on Mar 30, 2024 13:31:51 GMT
Does anyone know if Mangan found himself another coaching job?
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Post by mftc on Mar 30, 2024 13:33:31 GMT
I suspect the players wanted Mangan as manager but I guess his closeness to Barton ruled that out from the owners perspective. I suspect the owners were right as the links with Barton needed to be fully severed and it was clear the pair were close. I thought MT might well be a good fit but I do now have some doubts. His honesty in interviews can come across as rather negative and if players are struggling with confidence then listening to MT may not exactly be confidence building or motivating. I'm not convinced he is that great in terms of team strategy but the squad might limit what he can do. That said perhaps he tried encouragement and has now moved to telling them as it is. His only permanent signing Conteh has been positive and I hope this suggests he has a good eye for a player. I think we have to give him the summer to judge and he will know that if the team's outside the top 10 as Christmas approaches then his days might be numbered. I think he knows what is expected and the test is whether he can attract the quality of the players needed to achieve it. I agree with everything you’ve said here. I think if rumours of budget are correct, a top ten position by Christmas is miles wide of the mark. A massive change to the squad, plus a nervy first window as Evans and Conteh must be looked at by other clubs. Not all the new players (and their partners/kids etc) are going to settle straight away. With the teams coming down and the momentum of the teams coming up, it is going to be a very difficult league next season. |
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Post by eric on Mar 30, 2024 13:39:19 GMT
I agree with everything you’ve said here. I think if rumours of budget are correct, a top ten position by Christmas is miles wide of the mark. A massive change to the squad, plus a nervy first window as Evans and Conteh must be looked at by other clubs. Not all the new players (and their partners/kids etc) are going to settle straight away. With the teams coming down and the momentum of the teams coming up, it is going to be a very difficult league next season. This is exactly why I’d hoped we’d start the squad rebuild during the January window. A difficult window but not impossible, we should have used it to get some of next years first XI in place and ready to hit the ground running when the season starts. It would be remarkable if we have a good season after the massive turnover of players that everyone expects in the summer. |
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Post by gasify on Mar 30, 2024 13:48:26 GMT
I agree with everything you’ve said here. I think if rumours of budget are correct, a top ten position by Christmas is miles wide of the mark. A massive change to the squad, plus a nervy first window as Evans and Conteh must be looked at by other clubs. Not all the new players (and their partners/kids etc) are going to settle straight away. With the teams coming down and the momentum of the teams coming up, it is going to be a very difficult league next season. I think we have to cash in on Evans. It's his last year of his contract? We might end up getting nothing for him, if we don't sell. Conteh, I don't see it just yet. I think he will need a full season at League one level to attract the kind of interest we would want to sell him at. Can see a January sell if the price was right, but it would be quite a short term move. Looking at the bottom 3 of the Championship, my prediction for relegation are: Birmingham Argyle Rotherham Looking at the teams coming up: Stockport Mansfield Wrexham Crewe (play offs) Only two teams there that I think will be at the top next season (Birmingham and Wrexham) with the others top half but by no means challenging for promotion. I don't see anything to be scared of next season with those teams. |
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Post by willytopp84 on Mar 30, 2024 15:35:27 GMT
And to think we were inches away from JCH uptop Collins and Thomas on the wings with Evans in the 10 😢
Mouth watering front 4 with everyone on form!
Collins would probably have stayed last January if that happend also.
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Post by alanrg on Mar 30, 2024 15:56:44 GMT
This smells like the Dave Penny situation back in 2010 when players downed tools and we all know what happened there
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 30, 2024 16:26:03 GMT
This smells like the Dave Penny situation back in 2010 when players downed tools and we all know what happened there It's a different scenario as it's virtually impossible we can get relegated this season. |
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Post by bluecamel on Mar 30, 2024 16:58:03 GMT
Changing the subject slightly, but could have an effect upon our current playing situation, anyone know where Luke Thomas is ? (Injury) ?
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Post by Quarters on Mar 30, 2024 17:00:27 GMT
Changing the subject slightly, but could have an effect upon our current playing situation, anyone know where Luke Thomas is ? (Injury) ? Close to return I thought I heard. |
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Post by gasify on Mar 30, 2024 17:03:29 GMT
This smells like the Dave Penny situation back in 2010 when players downed tools and we all know what happened there What pieces of evidence has brought you to that conclusion? |
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Post by puregas on Mar 30, 2024 17:20:09 GMT
Lose a few games, sack the manager. Lose a few games, sack the next manager. Lose a few games, sack the manager again! We could go through 5 or 6 in a season if these idiots had their way. Imagine paying off all those contracts!
Do people actually engage their brains before posting on here?!
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