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Post by warehamgas on Jul 23, 2024 16:07:39 GMT
Sorry, unclear what you mean. Does he have to say something “damaging to us” to be in breach of contract? And if he is still being paid as he is on gardening leave whilst his contract expires then surely he’s still subject to the contract. Isn’t he? Of course we may not know the contractual position and it may be he isn’t being paid and everything has ended. You may know more and know what the position is but I’m not sure that will be widely known. UTG! I don't know a lot. The fact that he is still being paid, it would suggest he hasn't breached the contract. Hopefully one day he will learn that in this day, you can't just say and do what you like, especially online where it will be there for everyone to see. Thanks for the clarification. If he hasn’t breached his contract so far then presumably if he is found guilty of the current charge of ‘malicious communication’ he will have breached his contract. I agree with your last paragraph. UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2024 16:15:16 GMT
I don't know a lot. The fact that he is still being paid, it would suggest he hasn't breached the contract. Hopefully one day he will learn that in this day, you can't just say and do what you like, especially online where it will be there for everyone to see. Thanks for the clarification. If he hasn’t breached his contract so far then presumably if he is found guilty of the current charge of ‘malicious communication’ he will have breached his contract. I agree with your last paragraph. UTG! From past experience JB's criminal court case will drag on for months.
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Post by eric on Jul 23, 2024 16:42:34 GMT
What has JB done that has pushed this over the threshold into something the CPS decide to prosecute on? (I don’t follow anyone on Twitter and haven’t seen any of his posts). Whenever the likes of Ally McCoist, Sam Matterface or Danny Murphy are on commentary they usually end up trending on Twitter due to getting huge amounts of criticism. Presumably JB has done something far worse than (using racist terms or something?) or are we in an era where criticism of someone from a minority background or where it is being made by a celebrity is now illegal?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2024 16:56:23 GMT
What has JB done that has pushed this over the threshold into something the CPS decide to prosecute on? (I don’t follow anyone on Twitter and haven’t seen any of his posts). Whenever the likes of Ally McCoist, Sam Matterface or Danny Murphy are on commentary they usually end up trending on Twitter due to getting huge amounts of criticism. Presumably JB has done something far worse than (using racist terms or something?) or are we in an era where criticism of someone from a minority background or where it is being made by a celebrity is now illegal? You can criticise someone from a minority or of a different gender, but you can't criticise someone BECAUSE of their ethnicity or gender. It's really not that difficult to understand and should be a pretty basic idea to follow. I dont understand why people find this such a hard concept to understand unless they are deliberately trying not to.
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Post by gasify on Jul 23, 2024 17:03:00 GMT
What has JB done that has pushed this over the threshold into something the CPS decide to prosecute on? (I don’t follow anyone on Twitter and haven’t seen any of his posts). Whenever the likes of Ally McCoist, Sam Matterface or Danny Murphy are on commentary they usually end up trending on Twitter due to getting huge amounts of criticism. Presumably JB has done something far worse than (using racist terms or something?) or are we in an era where criticism of someone from a minority background or where it is being made by a celebrity is now illegal? Criticism is still acceptable unless that criticism is based on areas protected by the Equalities act: www.gov.uk/guidance/equality-act-2010-guidanceMalicious Communications is defined here: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1"criticism of someone from a minority background or where it is being made by a celebrity is now illegal?" Criticism due to their minority background would probably be illegal. Criticising someone from a minority background for any other reason than the minority background is no illegal. I know its very difficult. Oh and you are not allowed to accuse someone of taking part in child sex offences.
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Post by gasify on Jul 23, 2024 17:04:41 GMT
What has JB done that has pushed this over the threshold into something the CPS decide to prosecute on? (I don’t follow anyone on Twitter and haven’t seen any of his posts). Whenever the likes of Ally McCoist, Sam Matterface or Danny Murphy are on commentary they usually end up trending on Twitter due to getting huge amounts of criticism. Presumably JB has done something far worse than (using racist terms or something?) or are we in an era where criticism of someone from a minority background or where it is being made by a celebrity is now illegal? You can criticise someone from a minority or of a different gender, but you can't criticise someone BECAUSE of their ethnicity or gender. It's really not that difficult to understand and should be a pretty basic idea to follow. I dont understand why people find this such a hard concept to understand unless they are deliberately trying not to. Its just not fair. As a white middle class male, where is my protection from racism?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2024 17:07:02 GMT
You can criticise someone from a minority or of a different gender, but you can't criticise someone BECAUSE of their ethnicity or gender. It's really not that difficult to understand and should be a pretty basic idea to follow. I dont understand why people find this such a hard concept to understand unless they are deliberately trying not to. Its just not fair. As a white middle class male, where is my protection from racism? Umm...in the same laws that protect everyone else? But don't ask questions like that, someone will actually think you are serious!! Last I checked, Vine is a white male.
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Post by gasify on Jul 23, 2024 17:09:10 GMT
Its just not fair. As a white middle class male, where is my protection from racism? Umm...in the same laws that protect everyone else? But don't ask questions like that, someone will actually think you are serious!! Last I checked, Vine is a white male. And why isn't there an International Mens day?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 23, 2024 17:18:16 GMT
Umm...in the same laws that protect everyone else? But don't ask questions like that, someone will actually think you are serious!! Last I checked, Vine is a white male. And why isn't there an International Mens day? 19th November.
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Post by eric on Jul 23, 2024 17:19:13 GMT
All good then - let’s hope the CPS and Police consistently apply this course of action in all cases.
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Post by gasify on Jul 23, 2024 17:31:25 GMT
And why isn't there an International Mens day? 19th November. You are Richard Herring and I claim my £5
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Post by gasify on Jul 23, 2024 17:33:02 GMT
All good then - let’s hope the CPS and Police consistently apply this course of action in all cases. Of course where the evidence shows this course of action is required then absolutely they should.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2024 17:39:55 GMT
What has JB done that has pushed this over the threshold into something the CPS decide to prosecute on? (I don’t follow anyone on Twitter and haven’t seen any of his posts). Whenever the likes of Ally McCoist, Sam Matterface or Danny Murphy are on commentary they usually end up trending on Twitter due to getting huge amounts of criticism. Presumably JB has done something far worse than (using racist terms or something?) or are we in an era where criticism of someone from a minority background or where it is being made by a celebrity is now illegal? You can criticise someone from a minority or of a different gender, but you can't criticise someone BECAUSE of their ethnicity or gender. It's really not that difficult to understand and should be a pretty basic idea to follow. I dont understand why people find this such a hard concept to understand unless they are deliberately trying not to. Not sure there's any racist angle to the charge, it's more to do with JB comparing her and her colleague to Fred & Rose West (who were clearly both white) and some comment about being as bad as Stalin (who was also white) for your hearing.
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Post by eric on Jul 23, 2024 17:45:21 GMT
All good then - let’s hope the CPS and Police consistently apply this course of action in all cases. Of course where the evidence shows this course of action is required then absolutely they should. Social media needs better policing but I think the police and CPS only feel the need to get busy when there are celebrities involved. Aluko is not a very good “expert analyst” and I’m sure she has received a lot worse than what JB has said - that seems to be the way sad social media trolls work. Are they being hunted down and getting the same treatment? I suspect not.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2024 17:49:03 GMT
You can criticise someone from a minority or of a different gender, but you can't criticise someone BECAUSE of their ethnicity or gender. It's really not that difficult to understand and should be a pretty basic idea to follow. I dont understand why people find this such a hard concept to understand unless they are deliberately trying not to. Not sure there's any racist angle to the charge, it's more to do with JB comparing her and her colleague to Fred & Rose West (who were clearly both white) and some comment about being as bad as Stalin (who was also white) for your hearing. I didn't suggest there was a racist or sexist component to this hearing. I was responding to a posters suggestion that the law precludes people of ethnic minority being criticised. It doesn't. That's why I quoted their post in my reply. I know you like to argue for arguments sake, but please do try to keep up. Also "your hearing"?? How is it my hearing?? Jesus wept.
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Post by gasify on Jul 23, 2024 17:51:28 GMT
Of course where the evidence shows this course of action is required then absolutely they should. Social media needs better policing but I think the police and CPS only feel the need to get busy when there are celebrities involved. Aluko is not a very good “expert analyst” and I’m sure she has received a lot worse than what JB has said - that seems to be the way sad social media trolls work. Are they being hunted down and getting the same treatment? I suspect not. I think you are coming at it from the wrong perspective. You seem to be saying "because people troll her with horrible comments, some will I'm sure be Malicious communication then its ok for everyone to do it" I think the perspective should be that noone does it, the world will be a better place for it. What sad idiot(s) gets off on sending malicious communication to someone?
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Post by gasify on Jul 23, 2024 17:54:01 GMT
You can criticise someone from a minority or of a different gender, but you can't criticise someone BECAUSE of their ethnicity or gender. It's really not that difficult to understand and should be a pretty basic idea to follow. I dont understand why people find this such a hard concept to understand unless they are deliberately trying not to. Not sure there's any racist angle to the charge, it's more to do with JB comparing her and her colleague to Fred & Rose West (who were clearly both white) and some comment about being as bad as Stalin (who was also white) for your hearing. So just bullying then? Is that ok?
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Post by eric on Jul 23, 2024 18:03:46 GMT
Social media needs better policing but I think the police and CPS only feel the need to get busy when there are celebrities involved. Aluko is not a very good “expert analyst” and I’m sure she has received a lot worse than what JB has said - that seems to be the way sad social media trolls work. Are they being hunted down and getting the same treatment? I suspect not. I think you are coming at it from the wrong perspective. You seem to be saying "because people troll her with horrible comments, some will I'm sure be Malicious communication then its ok for everyone to do it" I think the perspective should be that noone does it, the world will be a better place for it. What sad idiot(s) gets off on sending malicious communication to someone? It’s a two tier system from both victim and accused perspective. If a victim is a celebrity the police will get involved where they wouldn’t for the same “crime” against an average person. A celebrity (which like it or not JB is) is more likely to get pursued by the police and CPS than a non celebrity doing the same to a fellow non celebrity and be left unchallenged. Social media seems to be full of society dregs. Can you get any more vile than trolling the McCann family when their daughter remains missing but nobody seems willing to do anything about that. The social media companies should be clamping down or kicked out of the UK. The police aren’t even challenging rioters yet are spending time policing the internet.
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Post by eric on Jul 23, 2024 18:05:00 GMT
Not sure there's any racist angle to the charge, it's more to do with JB comparing her and her colleague to Fred & Rose West (who were clearly both white) and some comment about being as bad as Stalin (who was also white) for your hearing. So just bullying then? Is that ok? No bullying is not ok but that is Twitter’s responsibility. The police have better things to do.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2024 18:07:06 GMT
Of course where the evidence shows this course of action is required then absolutely they should. Social media needs better policing but I think the police and CPS only feel the need to get busy when there are celebrities involved. Aluko is not a very good “expert analyst” and I’m sure she has received a lot worse than what JB has said - that seems to be the way sad social media trolls work. Are they being hunted down and getting the same treatment? I suspect not. I agree, policing of Social media is poor (as is most policing these days). The truth is though, if you call me a knobhead online no one really cares. If someone with Xmillion followers calls someone else with Xmillion followers a knobhead it's going to be treated differently. It's also considerably easier to pinpoint a fuckwit with a verified account and charge them than it is to prosecute an anonymous troll. Surely you must see that?
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