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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2024 18:09:06 GMT
Not sure there's any racist angle to the charge, it's more to do with JB comparing her and her colleague to Fred & Rose West (who were clearly both white) and some comment about being as bad as Stalin (who was also white) for your hearing. So just bullying then? Is that ok? That's for the Magistrate to decide, I'm just commenting on why I believe he was charged. |
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Post by gasify on Jul 23, 2024 18:21:34 GMT
Social media needs better policing but I think the police and CPS only feel the need to get busy when there are celebrities involved. Aluko is not a very good “expert analyst” and I’m sure she has received a lot worse than what JB has said - that seems to be the way sad social media trolls work. Are they being hunted down and getting the same treatment? I suspect not. I agree, policing of Social media is poor (as is most policing these days). The truth is though, if you call me a knobhead online no one really cares. If someone with Xmillion followers calls someone else with Xmillion followers a knobhead it's going to be treated differently. It's also considerably easier to pinpoint a fuckwit with a verified account and charge them than it is to prosecute an anonymous troll. Surely you must see that? Knobhead. 🤣 |
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Post by eric on Jul 23, 2024 19:23:55 GMT
Social media needs better policing but I think the police and CPS only feel the need to get busy when there are celebrities involved. Aluko is not a very good “expert analyst” and I’m sure she has received a lot worse than what JB has said - that seems to be the way sad social media trolls work. Are they being hunted down and getting the same treatment? I suspect not. I agree, policing of Social media is poor (as is most policing these days). The truth is though, if you call me a knobhead online no one really cares. If someone with Xmillion followers calls someone else with Xmillion followers a knobhead it's going to be treated differently. It's also considerably easier to pinpoint a fuckwit with a verified account and charge them than it is to prosecute an anonymous troll. Surely you must see that? Of course it is easier to identify and prosecute a celebrity with a verified account - doesn’t make for a fair society and legal system imo. In fact does it not just encourage trolls to continue their poor behaviour? Hiding behind anonymity knowing only cases involving celebrities get pursued by the police? The vast majority of vile trolling is being done by the non-celebrities, perhaps the police and CPS should put effort into some of those cases to show the whole of the population has to play by the same rules? I suspect the Police and CPS motivation is more about PR as one celebrity being mean to another celebrity hardly seems a valid use of their resources - if my home was burgled tonight I doubt a policeman would attend but at least I know every effort is being made to stop Aluko being picked on for being a poor expert analyst. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2024 20:16:11 GMT
I agree, policing of Social media is poor (as is most policing these days). The truth is though, if you call me a knobhead online no one really cares. If someone with Xmillion followers calls someone else with Xmillion followers a knobhead it's going to be treated differently. It's also considerably easier to pinpoint a fuckwit with a verified account and charge them than it is to prosecute an anonymous troll. Surely you must see that? Of course it is easier to identify and prosecute a celebrity with a verified account - doesn’t make for a fair society and legal system imo. In fact does it not just encourage trolls to continue their poor behaviour? Hiding behind anonymity knowing only cases involving celebrities get pursued by the police? The vast majority of vile trolling is being done by the non-celebrities, perhaps the police and CPS should put effort into some of those cases to show the whole of the population has to play by the same rules? I suspect the Police and CPS motivation is more about PR as one celebrity being mean to another celebrity hardly seems a valid use of their resources - if my home was burgled tonight I doubt a policeman would attend but at least I know every effort is being made to stop Aluko being picked on for being a poor expert analyst. In theory I don't disagree. Sadly, many morons are influenced by high profile "ultra males" like Barton and Tate. Maybe bringing down toxic celebrities will help lower the every day trolls? At the moment many are emboldened by them so I see no harm in reducing their numbers. If prosecuting one celebrity only reduces the number of idiots by one then it's still worth doing. I also don't really understand how comparing someone to Fred and Rose West is a valid critique of someone's punditry abilities but it's fair to say most of what Barton and his ilk have to say probably isn't for me. Maybe I'm just missing out on some very clever analogy he's made there. Perhaps you'd care to explain? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2024 20:35:24 GMT
Is Barton really an "ultra male" or just slagging off women football commentators and just trying to be generally controversial with his views?
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Post by popuppirate on Jul 23, 2024 20:43:54 GMT
Is Barton really an "ultra male" or just slagging off women football commentators and just trying to be generally controversial with his views? He's either mentally unwell, coked up to his eyeballs, or just a plain knobhead. Possibly all three |
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Post by eric on Jul 23, 2024 20:46:36 GMT
Of course it is easier to identify and prosecute a celebrity with a verified account - doesn’t make for a fair society and legal system imo. In fact does it not just encourage trolls to continue their poor behaviour? Hiding behind anonymity knowing only cases involving celebrities get pursued by the police? The vast majority of vile trolling is being done by the non-celebrities, perhaps the police and CPS should put effort into some of those cases to show the whole of the population has to play by the same rules? I suspect the Police and CPS motivation is more about PR as one celebrity being mean to another celebrity hardly seems a valid use of their resources - if my home was burgled tonight I doubt a policeman would attend but at least I know every effort is being made to stop Aluko being picked on for being a poor expert analyst. In theory I don't disagree. Sadly, many morons are influenced by high profile "ultra males" like Barton and Tate. Maybe bringing down toxic celebrities will help lower the every day trolls? At the moment many are emboldened by them so I see no harm in reducing their numbers. If prosecuting one celebrity only reduces the number of idiots by one then it's still worth doing. I also don't really understand how comparing someone to Fred and Rose West is a valid critique of someone's punditry abilities but it's fair to say most of what Barton and his ilk have to say probably isn't for me. Maybe I'm just missing out on some very clever analogy he's made there. Perhaps you'd care to explain? An odd route for JB to take and certainly distasteful but worthy of police intervention when there is so much violence and other serious crime seemingly slipping down their list of priorities? I know the types of crime I wish police would take more seriously and social media bullying is way down the list - I suspect it is for most police officers too not that they would dare to admit it. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2024 20:57:01 GMT
Is Barton really an "ultra male" or just slagging off women football commentators and just trying to be generally controversial with his views? Woo woo!! What a time to be alive. |
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 24, 2024 7:13:05 GMT
Is Barton really an "ultra male" or just slagging off women football commentators and just trying to be generally controversial with his views? He's either mentally unwell, coked up to his eyeballs, or just a plain knobhead. Possibly all three Attention seeker, and clearly it's worked! |
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Jul 24, 2024 8:12:04 GMT
He has always been and I suspect always will be a controversial figure.
One of his least controversial periods (not completely quite) was while manager of Bristol Rover's. I think the club did a good of raining in his behaviour while he was under their employ.
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Post by phillistine on Jul 24, 2024 8:12:18 GMT
Is Barton really an "ultra male" or just slagging off women football commentators and just trying to be generally controversial with his views? He's either mentally unwell, coked up to his eyeballs, or just a plain knobhead. Possibly all three You do realise of course that you are doing exactly what you and others are accusing JB is accused of doing - making sweeping comments as if you are speaking to a mate down the pub. If he reads this thread then he could sue |
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Post by popuppirate on Jul 24, 2024 9:29:22 GMT
He's either mentally unwell, coked up to his eyeballs, or just a plain knobhead. Possibly all three You do realise of course that you are doing exactly what you and others are accusing JB is accused of doing - making sweeping comments as if you are speaking to a mate down the pub. If he reads this thread then he could sue Not exactly, no. In fact there's quite a few differences between me suggesting some justifications for his behaviour and his. |
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Post by amgas on Jul 24, 2024 10:14:18 GMT
Sadly I think JB has too much time on his hands which leads to him spending time posting rubbish on social media. The way he expresses his views means people are less likely to take him seriously. He could have made valid points about the qualifications of football pundits, but because of the childish way in which he expresses his views with name calling etc no one is going to listen. Can't help but wonder if some of the comments are made when he is not in the most rational frame of mind given there is a history of drink issues etc. Sadly people can behave very differently when under the influence. In truth I think he probably needs help and I would agree with court action if it led to him getting some help, I fear whatever sentence is passed won't help him with his underlying issues.
Pretty sad to see really, was at his best during our promotion season - he had the potential to be a good manager but his demons mean his career is probably over.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 24, 2024 10:38:13 GMT
Sadly I think JB has too much time on his hands which leads to him spending time posting rubbish on social media. The way he expresses his views means people are less likely to take him seriously. He could have made valid points about the qualifications of football pundits, but because of the childish way in which he expresses his views with name calling etc no one is going to listen. Can't help but wonder if some of the comments are made when he is not in the most rational frame of mind given there is a history of drink issues etc. Sadly people can behave very differently when under the influence. In truth I think he probably needs help and I would agree with court action if it led to him getting some help, I fear whatever sentence is passed won't help him with his underlying issues. Pretty sad to see really, was at his best during our promotion season - he had the potential to be a good manager but his demons mean his career is probably over.
I think you’re right. He misses us far more than we miss him. With us or any team he had a purpose related to what he was good at. And he did have the potential to be a decent manager. The football in early ‘22 was very good, he’d found a system that worked with very good league 2 players. He reminds me of a naughty child, don’t keep him busy doing something good and he turns to mischief. I’d say it was a shame because he did have potential for good but has used that since for no good. UTG! |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 24, 2024 11:29:12 GMT
Sadly I think JB has too much time on his hands which leads to him spending time posting rubbish on social media. The way he expresses his views means people are less likely to take him seriously. He could have made valid points about the qualifications of football pundits, but because of the childish way in which he expresses his views with name calling etc no one is going to listen. Can't help but wonder if some of the comments are made when he is not in the most rational frame of mind given there is a history of drink issues etc. Sadly people can behave very differently when under the influence. In truth I think he probably needs help and I would agree with court action if it led to him getting some help, I fear whatever sentence is passed won't help him with his underlying issues. Pretty sad to see really, was at his best during our promotion season - he had the potential to be a good manager but his demons mean his career is probably over.
I think you’re right. He misses us far more than we miss him. With us or any team he had a purpose related to what he was good at. And he did have the potential to be a decent manager. The football in early ‘22 was very good, he’d found a system that worked with very good league 2 players. He reminds me of a naughty child, don’t keep him busy doing something good and he turns to mischief. I’d say it was a shame because he did have potential for good but has used that since for no good. UTG! I see the hater cabal is still in fine fettle. Hahaha |
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Post by toggsy2 on Jul 24, 2024 11:49:14 GMT
Sadly I think JB has too much time on his hands which leads to him spending time posting rubbish on social media. The way he expresses his views means people are less likely to take him seriously. He could have made valid points about the qualifications of football pundits, but because of the childish way in which he expresses his views with name calling etc no one is going to listen. Can't help but wonder if some of the comments are made when he is not in the most rational frame of mind given there is a history of drink issues etc. Sadly people can behave very differently when under the influence. In truth I think he probably needs help and I would agree with court action if it led to him getting some help, I fear whatever sentence is passed won't help him with his underlying issues. Pretty sad to see really, was at his best during our promotion season - he had the potential to be a good manager but his demons mean his career is probably over. I was thinking the exact same thing myself, when he was actually busy working in management and coaching he never spent this much time on social media and when he did he was very careful with his choice of words for the fear of the powers from above. Now that he has no one to really answer to but himself he has free rein to spout what he likes when he likes. Before long he will get a social media ban banning him from all social media platforms. Shame really as I think he has the ability to be a very good manager/coach if he knuckled down |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 24, 2024 12:03:23 GMT
I think you’re right. He misses us far more than we miss him. With us or any team he had a purpose related to what he was good at. And he did have the potential to be a decent manager. The football in early ‘22 was very good, he’d found a system that worked with very good league 2 players. He reminds me of a naughty child, don’t keep him busy doing something good and he turns to mischief. I’d say it was a shame because he did have potential for good but has used that since for no good. UTG! I see the hater cabal is still in fine fettle. Hahaha Don't be silly, don’t hate him at all. Best not to fit every post to suit you. Show me where I’ve said that. I’d say he needed to concentrate on what he’s good at, perhaps you think different. UTG! |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jul 24, 2024 12:24:14 GMT
I see the hater cabal is still in fine fettle. Hahaha Don't be silly, don’t hate him at all. Best not to fit every post to suit you. Show me where I’ve said that. I’d say he needed to concentrate on what he’s good at, perhaps you think different. UTG! Pretty much everyone ignores every post PeterHooper57 makes nowadays my friend. He really is a very strange fellow looking for a reaction for some reason 👍🏾 |
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Post by gasify on Jul 24, 2024 12:37:33 GMT
I think you’re right. He misses us far more than we miss him. With us or any team he had a purpose related to what he was good at. And he did have the potential to be a decent manager. The football in early ‘22 was very good, he’d found a system that worked with very good league 2 players. He reminds me of a naughty child, don’t keep him busy doing something good and he turns to mischief. I’d say it was a shame because he did have potential for good but has used that since for no good. UTG! I see the hater cabal is still in fine fettle. Hahaha I don't think its the hater cabel any more, more like a pity cabel now. |
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Post by mrgasman on Jul 24, 2024 16:32:12 GMT
So just bullying then? Is that ok? That's for the Magistrate to decide, I'm just commenting on why I believe he was charged. There isn’t any angle of racism and sadly the race card is thrown out too much these days. Barton was an arse and had to expect something from this. Every action has a reaction. He could probably be a decent manager if he had better self discipline. Maybe this will teach him to be a bit more careful in the future as the JV compo and now this one certainly isn’t cheap 🙃. |
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