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Post by Quarters on Oct 9, 2024 16:07:33 GMT
Given the injury news on the O'Donker and Promise do some still think we should have put a stronger team out?
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Post by roadman on Oct 9, 2024 16:18:50 GMT
I started the thread The Debrief and I can’t be arsed to start one The Update?!
Championship in 3 years ?
Premiership in 5 years ?
Where’s the Big screen ?
Where’s the development squad ?
Stadium plans ?
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Post by madgas on Oct 9, 2024 16:19:02 GMT
Just appears there's an expectation gap between the supporters, management and ownership. The ownership hired a manager with a brilliant track record of developing academy prospects. But that's quite different to developing players from other academies. When you invest in talent- the pressure to see quicker pitch dividends. MT is a serious manager that wants to pick a serious football team, each week. He needs the senior players. Its a small management group. For Rovers to achieve the unlikely (top 6) we've got to be the hardest working and most intelligent football team out there. It takes a indefinite amount of time for the penny to drop with prospects. A Finley type would have been gold dust to this squad. The supporters have been sold a frankensteins monster of a dream too many times. We can see so much potential but we are too savy or familiar to expect everything to click at once. We've got 3 loans that seldom play, why did we release some talented seniority in June? On top of this, our outward loan appears to be pulling up trees elsewhere. Most fans would accept what were getting served if sweeter dishes werent constantly teased. It doesn't look joined up. To add, so what's the point? I think we have reached a point where the board should either be backing the manager and attempting to pull that expectation gap together, or admit their error a make new choice. Personally I'd like them to throw their support behind Matt. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 9, 2024 16:30:06 GMT
What a miserable thread.
Either the manager is sh**e, the players are sh**e and throwing their toys out the pram, or the owners are getting involved where they shouldn’t be. Probably a combination of two or maybe even three.
There are some very good sources quoting all of this and there’s a high likelihood of accuracy in some shape or form. However the sources aren’t always right.
Disregard last nights result in a sh**ty pizza cup trophy and we’ve won the last two games on the trot scoring six goals and things are looking up not down on the pitch.
We’re not going to play for another week and a half. So going by this thread we have to be miserable for the next week at least.
There’s absolutely nothing us as supporters can do about any of this. Life’s too short so it’s wasted energy worrying about all of this.
We will be fine end of season even if we don’t like our owners or our manager or the players on the pitch.
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Post by roadman on Oct 9, 2024 16:30:15 GMT
Just appears there's an expectation gap between the supporters, management and ownership. The ownership hired a manager with a brilliant track record of developing academy prospects. But that's quite different to developing players from other academies. When you invest in talent- the pressure to see quicker pitch dividends. MT is a serious manager that wants to pick a serious football team, each week. He needs the senior players. Its a small management group. For Rovers to achieve the unlikely (top 6) we've got to be the hardest working and most intelligent football team out there. It takes an indefinite amount of time for the penny to drop with prospects. A Finley type would have been gold dust to this squad. The supporters have been sold a frankensteins monster of a dream too many times. We can see so much potential but we are too savy or familiar to expect everything to click at once. We've got 3 loans that seldom play, why did we release some talented seniority in June? On top of this, our outward loan appears to be pulling up trees elsewhere. Most fans would accept what were getting served if sweeter dishes werent constantly teased. It doesn't look joined up. To add, so what's the point? I think we have reached a point where the board should either be backing the manager and attempting to pull that expectation gap together, or admit their error a make new choice. Personally I'd like them to throw their support behind Matt. Agree and give us an update on everything else, instil some confidence in the whole project, back the manager and reassure its customers. Big promises of the Premiership and a better Mem seem way off right now. |
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Post by melrosegas on Oct 9, 2024 16:45:51 GMT
AlSaeed Jr treating the club like a football manager save doesn't change the fact that MT is an appalling manager at this level.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Oct 9, 2024 18:00:51 GMT
So I think we can all agree Taylor is making a pigs ear of managing the team?!
But I agree with previous posters, and I’ve said it myself before, there is something rotten at the club, wish I knew what it was, but players come here with good track records and have massively underachieved, not just season for a long period now.
Are they being promised things (training ground, stadium rebuild etc) which they can quite quickly see is not happening and get disillusioned??
I don’t know but it goes far deeper than the manager
I have my doubts whether the ground will get rebuilt, they can talk the talk can they walk the walk?
Time will tell
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 9, 2024 18:02:30 GMT
So lads & lasses ….. who we blaming ? Taylor because he’s a PE teacher and useless or the owners because the son is picking the team ? Just wanna get things straight . Oh hang on…..forgot …. Is it the players who are sh1te ? #confused I don’t think the players are sh**e. I think the manager has an agenda which is driving his media and he has no idea whatsoever on how to use a certain type of player or get the best out of people. Are you Abdullatif al-Saeed in disguise? Asking for a friend, like . . . |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 9, 2024 18:10:26 GMT
So I think we can all agree Taylor is making a pigs ear of managing the team?! But I agree with previous posters, and I’ve said it myself before, there is something rotten at the club, wish I knew what it was, but players come here with good track records and have massively underachieved, not just season for a long period now. Are they being promised things (training ground, stadium rebuild etc) which they can quite quickly see is not happening and get disillusioned?? I don’t know but it goes far deeper than the manager I have my doubts whether the ground will get rebuilt, they can talk the talk can they walk the walk? Time will tell We seemed to have similar issues under JB in his second season in L1, it's baffling how we never seen to perform to our potential in L1 once the honeymoon period after promotion is over. I'm not sure players signing 2 or 3 year contracts will be that worried that the club haven't submitted their plans for a stadium rebuild likely to take years to complete? Perhaps there's other issues such as cost cutting with medical treatment or accommodation etc, although if that's the case how do we managed to lose so much money each season? |
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Post by singupgas on Oct 9, 2024 18:31:00 GMT
Few unnecessary comments on this thread. Pirate and Road Bloke Paul are probably right, Mr T ain't up for the job. However, Paul has been right on many occasions regarding inside knowledge and there's nothing to suggest he's not right again. It's highly believable that someone from the privileged class of Kuwait would behave in such a self-entitled, boorish manner. I for one, feel sorry for Mr T. UTFG and stuff the owners. 🏴☠️ Problem is everyone seems afraid to ask anything of the owner, wtf is going on with the ground. The way the fans are treated just never improve. Is it time to get the bed sheets out? |
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Post by toggsy2 on Oct 9, 2024 18:56:03 GMT
Makes me laugh, some on here are the same ones who didn't want Barton either, well you got what you wanted, a PE teacher and now you don't want him, maybe we can let these posters choose the next manager if Taylor goes, now that would be interesting I never wanted MT to start with I've always said he was the wrong choice from day one but was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt As for Barton as much as I liked his style of football he had to go simply for his off the field activity as he was becoming too much of a liability |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 9, 2024 19:15:38 GMT
Makes me laugh, some on here are the same ones who didn't want Barton either, well you got what you wanted, a PE teacher and now you don't want him, maybe we can let these posters choose the next manager if Taylor goes, now that would be interesting I never wanted MT to start with I've always said he was the wrong choice from day one but was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt As for Barton as much as I liked his style of football he had to go simply for his off the field activity as he was becoming too much of a liability Not sure there were any major issues in that regard when he was dismissed, as by then he had successfully defended one trial and the other had been stayed indefinitely. JB clearly didn't fit the owners profile but I'm not sure his replacement fits it any better. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 9, 2024 19:17:32 GMT
Few unnecessary comments on this thread. Pirate and Road Bloke Paul are probably right, Mr T ain't up for the job. However, Paul has been right on many occasions regarding inside knowledge and there's nothing to suggest he's not right again. It's highly believable that someone from the privileged class of Kuwait would behave in such a self-entitled, boorish manner. I for one, feel sorry for Mr T. UTFG and stuff the owners. 🏴☠️ Problem is everyone seems afraid to ask anything of the owner, wtf is going on with the ground. The way the fans are treated just never improve. Is it time to get the bed sheets out? Given the owners never give interviews or attend Q&A's how can they be asked? |
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Post by singupgas on Oct 9, 2024 19:25:51 GMT
Problem is everyone seems afraid to ask anything of the owner, wtf is going on with the ground. The way the fans are treated just never improve. Is it time to get the bed sheets out? Given the owners never give interviews or attend Q&A's how can they be asked? Perhaps it is bedsheet time, maybe one way to get our thoughts to the owners. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 9, 2024 19:31:37 GMT
Problem is everyone seems afraid to ask anything of the owner, wtf is going on with the ground. The way the fans are treated just never improve. Is it time to get the bed sheets out? Given the owners never give interviews or attend Q&A's how can they be asked? The owners son was at the first Q&A . There’s only been two to my knowledge so far. |
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Post by kruger on Oct 9, 2024 20:22:32 GMT
Makes me laugh, some on here are the same ones who didn't want Barton either, well you got what you wanted, a PE teacher and now you don't want him, maybe we can let these posters choose the next manager if Taylor goes, now that would be interesting I never wanted MT to start with I've always said he was the wrong choice from day one but was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt As for Barton as much as I liked his style of football he had to go simply for his off the field activity as he was becoming too much of a liability yeah thats fair enough, I just miss the style of football and Im not sure if we'll see it again or the standard of loan players, I really hope we do |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 9, 2024 20:38:00 GMT
Given the owners never give interviews or attend Q&A's how can they be asked? The owners son was at the first Q&A . There’s only been two to my knowledge so far. That's the problem. The owners son isn't the owner and Abdul "13 Pitches" absolutely fell apart at the first fans forum event under a little bit of light questioning over finances and plans by me and I was hardly hard on him. He's was very good at the fluffy stuff, but from that night I could tell he was very out of his depth. Comparing us and City to Man U and Man C was laughable especially with the evidence he tried to use to support his point. I'd rather Hussain turned up and spoke, he's the organ grinder here who's putting the money in and the others that are in senior positions on the board seem to be coat trailers not offering a whole lot of anything useful other than interference in something they have absolutely no experience in or know nothing about. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 9, 2024 20:58:02 GMT
Simple way to end all this, make the likes of me look a Banned word……..owners come out and publicly back the manager and the manager also say something positive.
Wilson saying we knew the consequences of losing to Charlton, it wasn’t a cup, or 6 pointer at the end of the season, what consequences?!
Leadership rises and falls from the top, Premiership in 5 years, I see nothing to suggest this could happen in 50 years right now.
None existent communication.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 9, 2024 21:04:18 GMT
Given the owners never give interviews or attend Q&A's how can they be asked? The owners son was at the first Q&A . There’s only been two to my knowledge so far. I guess you're happy with the total lack of communication since the summer when Abdullatif attended his one and only Q&A? It's still a complete mystery why there was such a rush to hold the last Q&A, where TG's replacement couldn't even answer a question about the new TV gantry, which now seems on indefinite hold. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 9, 2024 21:15:30 GMT
So I think we can all agree Taylor is making a pigs ear of managing the team?! But I agree with previous posters, and I’ve said it myself before, there is something rotten at the club, wish I knew what it was, but players come here with good track records and have massively underachieved, not just season for a long period now. Are they being promised things (training ground, stadium rebuild etc) which they can quite quickly see is not happening and get disillusioned?? I don’t know but it goes far deeper than the manager I have my doubts whether the ground will get rebuilt, they can talk the talk can they walk the walk? Time will tell This is a thought provoking post. So, what is the route cause? What makes us different from a club that isn't "rotten"? Why don't any of the proposed visions feel like a reality? What is the purpose of the various elements of the football club and are they each serving that purpose to the best of their ability? (I include supporters in this) Are we just boiling toads who laugh at fans like Reading who actually try to do something about their lot.. |
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