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Post by gashead79 on Oct 12, 2024 7:08:55 GMT
JB probably is bigger than our club though! Worth more, got more followers, gets listened to, more style, less BS. I don't believe that for a second. It saddens me that a fellow fan thinks that. Not sure why that would make anybody saddened tbh? Apologies if my words have offended but you did put it out there and I thought about it.. I guess it depends on your definition of 'bigger'. Fans often say things like this and its usually true-"soandso isn't bigger than the club". But if we are looking at certain measurements, I'm not sure that a small, unfashionable club is bigger than some individuals. Paul Ince bigger than Macclesfield? Tony Adams bigger than Wycombe? Troy Deeney bigger than FGR? Edgar David's at Barnet? I don't know but it's an interesting thought. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 12, 2024 7:27:05 GMT
I don't believe that for a second. It saddens me that a fellow fan thinks that. Interested me, but on Instagram alone JB has 139k followers, Bristol Rovers 78k. Can't argue the money part, no nothing of Joey's wealth other than probably been paid quite well throughout his football career. Could say the same for our vacant owners, the fees for players all undisclosed and yet to see any significant investment in the ground. So you see the term bigger than the club as only having more followers on social media? I would define it as history - We've been around since 1883. I would define it as the future - I would like to think Rovers will carry on long after JB leaves this earth. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 12, 2024 7:30:56 GMT
I don't believe that for a second. It saddens me that a fellow fan thinks that. Not sure why that would make anybody saddened tbh? Apologies if my words have offended but you did put it out there and I thought about it.. I guess it depends on your definition of 'bigger'. Fans often say things like this and its usually true-"soandso isn't bigger than the club". But if we are looking at certain measurements, I'm not sure that a small, unfashionable club is bigger than some individuals. Paul Ince bigger than Macclesfield? Tony Adams bigger than Wycombe? Troy Deeney bigger than FGR? Edgar David's at Barnet? I don't know but it's an interesting thought. Absolutely about definition. Here is an interesting perspective: How much do people pay to Watch Bristol Rovers each season? About £5m? How much do people pay to watch JB? He has started to do Q&A tours and I would expect £500k at most. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 12, 2024 10:39:42 GMT
Not sure why that would make anybody saddened tbh? Apologies if my words have offended but you did put it out there and I thought about it.. I guess it depends on your definition of 'bigger'. Fans often say things like this and its usually true-"soandso isn't bigger than the club". But if we are looking at certain measurements, I'm not sure that a small, unfashionable club is bigger than some individuals. Paul Ince bigger than Macclesfield? Tony Adams bigger than Wycombe? Troy Deeney bigger than FGR? Edgar David's at Barnet? I don't know but it's an interesting thought. Absolutely about definition. Here is an interesting perspective: How much do people pay to Watch Bristol Rovers each season? About £5m? How much do people pay to watch JB? He has started to do Q&A tours and I would expect £500k at most. We operate at a loss. He doesn't. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 12, 2024 15:05:27 GMT
Absolutely about definition. Here is an interesting perspective: How much do people pay to Watch Bristol Rovers each season? About £5m? How much do people pay to watch JB? He has started to do Q&A tours and I would expect £500k at most. We operate at a loss. He doesn't. Using that definition, my dog walker is bigger than Bristol Rovers. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 12, 2024 15:15:46 GMT
We operate at a loss. He doesn't. Using that definition, my dog walker is bigger than Bristol Rovers. That's what you've implied. If generating income and comparing GM, then a profit making org has some credibility over a loss making one. How many subscribers or Twitter followers dies your dog walker have? A marketing team? Millions in assets? Or just a rusty fully mortgaged stadium with broken toilet flushes like BRFC? |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Oct 12, 2024 15:19:17 GMT
Using that definition, my dog walker is bigger than Bristol Rovers. That's what you've implied. If generating income and comparing GM, then a profit making org has some credibility over a loss making one. How many subscribers or Twitter followers dies your dog walker have? A marketing team? Millions in assets? Or just a rusty fully mortgaged stadium with broken toilet flushes like BRFC? He not bigger than Bristol Rovers. In twenty years he will be forgotten. The Gas will not be… |
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Post by gasify on Oct 12, 2024 15:43:57 GMT
Using that definition, my dog walker is bigger than Bristol Rovers. . If generating income and comparing GM, then a profit making org has some credibility over a loss making one. How many subscribers or Twitter followers dies your dog walker have? A marketing team? Millions in assets? Or just a rusty fully mortgaged stadium with broken toilet flushes like BRFC? I didn't imply anything, I was stating facts. People are prepared to pay £5m to watch Rovers each season. People won't pay any where near that to watch JB. Surely, that makes Rovers bigger than JB. QED. Using your method of comparison (Instagram) then Jiffpom the Pomeranian is bigger than: Aston Villa West Ham Newcastle Everton Maybe it's my age but followers on instagram to me, doesn't mean much. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 12, 2024 15:45:21 GMT
Absolutely about definition. Here is an interesting perspective: How much do people pay to Watch Bristol Rovers each season? About £5m? How much do people pay to watch JB? He has started to do Q&A tours and I would expect £500k at most.
He doesn't.Not sure that's strictly correct? www.thelondoneconomic.com/sport/bankruptcy-awaits-joey-barton-as-libel-cases-filed-374266/Plus there's seem little chance of Rovers appearing in court facing two criminal trials and a civil trial in the next few months. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 12, 2024 15:51:49 GMT
Some would say our defending at corners is criminal. 🤣 |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 12, 2024 21:38:38 GMT
That's what you've implied. If generating income and comparing GM, then a profit making org has some credibility over a loss making one. How many subscribers or Twitter followers dies your dog walker have? A marketing team? Millions in assets? Or just a rusty fully mortgaged stadium with broken toilet flushes like BRFC? I didn't imply anything, I was stating facts. People are prepared to pay £5m to watch Rovers each season. People won't pay any where near that to watch JB. Surely, that makes Rovers bigger than JB. QED. Using your method of comparison (Instagram) then Jiffpom the Pomeranian is bigger than: Aston Villa West Ham Newcastle Everton Maybe it's my age but followers on instagram to me, doesn't mean much. You've implied that your dog walker is bigger than bristol rovers. This because I have suggested that Rovers operate at a loss compared to JBs business endeavours. I honestly don't know anything about the rest of your post! I didn't mention Instagram though...although online followers is a fair measure of influence these days and can generate revenue. Define bigger? |
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Post by gasify on Oct 13, 2024 14:24:44 GMT
I didn't imply anything, I was stating facts. People are prepared to pay £5m to watch Rovers each season. People won't pay any where near that to watch JB. Surely, that makes Rovers bigger than JB. QED. Using your method of comparison (Instagram) then Jiffpom the Pomeranian is bigger than: Aston Villa West Ham Newcastle Everton Maybe it's my age but followers on instagram to me, doesn't mean much. You've implied that your dog walker is bigger than bristol rovers. This because I have suggested that Rovers operate at a loss compared to JBs business endeavours. I honestly don't know anything about the rest of your post! I didn't mention Instagram though...although online followers is a fair measure of influence these days and can generate revenue. Define bigger? I think we need a recap on the thread as maybe there is a bit of cross conversation happening: This Post I say He thought he was bigger than the club. This Post gashead79 says "Worth more, got more followers, gets listened to, more style, less BS." This Post I say that it saddens me that some posters think that JB is bigger than Rovers. Still think that TBH. This Post singupgas talks about instagram as a measure of 'bigger' This Post gashead79 suggests that there may be some occasions where a player is bigger than the club. The most 'polar' example being Edger Davids and Barnet This Post I start to question what the definition of 'bigger' actually is and what measures to use This Post I suggest that what people are prepared to pay to watch would be a good measure. Citing our turnover of around £5m for match days Vs How much will people pay to watch JB on his upcoming speaking tour. This Post gashead79 suggests that profit should be the measure. This Post I suggest that my dog walker is therefore bigger than Bristol Rovers as she makes a profit This Post gashead79 suggests that I implied using profit as the measure - uses the term GM (Gross Margin?). As per above, I was using what people are prepared to pay to watch. In this post, the poster also talks about social media being a measure. This Post I start to test the boundaries (I'm a 14 yr old at heart) and googled for the pet with the most number of Instagram followers. Turns out to be Jiffpom the Pomeranian, who has more social media followers than Aston Villa, West Ham, Newcastle and Everton. The reason for doing this is to ask the question, if you had a choice of ownership. Would you rather own Aston Villa or Jiffpom the Pomeranian? Maybe that would be an indication of bigger? And show that social media isn't necessarily related to £'s This Post gashead79 "You've implied that your dog walker is bigger than bristol rovers. This because I have suggested that Rovers operate at a loss compared to JBs business endeavours. I honestly don't know anything about the rest of your post! I didn't mention Instagram though...although online followers is a fair measure of influence these days and can generate revenue. Define bigger?" Which has resulted me in puting this together in a time line to make sure we are all on the same page. The last bit "Define Bigger?", is the absolute key question and one asked a couple of pages prior and ignored. The problem with using something like social media to define 'Bigger' is as Andy Warhol said "Everyone is famous for 15 minutes"... |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 13, 2024 15:26:09 GMT
You've implied that your dog walker is bigger than bristol rovers. This because I have suggested that Rovers operate at a loss compared to JBs business endeavours. I honestly don't know anything about the rest of your post! I didn't mention Instagram though...although online followers is a fair measure of influence these days and can generate revenue. Define bigger? I think we need a recap on the thread as maybe there is a bit of cross conversation happening: This Post I say He thought he was bigger than the club. This Post gashead79 says "Worth more, got more followers, gets listened to, more style, less BS." This Post I say that it saddens me that some posters think that JB is bigger than Rovers. Still think that TBH. This Post singupgas talks about instagram as a measure of 'bigger' This Post gashead79 suggests that there may be some occasions where a player is bigger than the club. The most 'polar' example being Edger Davids and Barnet This Post I start to question what the definition of 'bigger' actually is and what measures to use This Post I suggest that what people are prepared to pay to watch would be a good measure. Citing our turnover of around £5m for match days Vs How much will people pay to watch JB on his upcoming speaking tour. This Post gashead79 suggests that profit should be the measure. This Post I suggest that my dog walker is therefore bigger than Bristol Rovers as she makes a profit This Post gashead79 suggests that I implied using profit as the measure - uses the term GM (Gross Margin?). As per above, I was using what people are prepared to pay to watch. In this post, the poster also talks about social media being a measure. This Post I start to test the boundaries (I'm a 14 yr old at heart) and googled for the pet with the most number of Instagram followers. Turns out to be Jiffpom the Pomeranian, who has more social media followers than Aston Villa, West Ham, Newcastle and Everton. The reason for doing this is to ask the question, if you had a choice of ownership. Would you rather own Aston Villa or Jiffpom the Pomeranian? Maybe that would be an indication of bigger? And show that social media isn't necessarily related to £'s This Post gashead79 "You've implied that your dog walker is bigger than bristol rovers. This because I have suggested that Rovers operate at a loss compared to JBs business endeavours. I honestly don't know anything about the rest of your post! I didn't mention Instagram though...although online followers is a fair measure of influence these days and can generate revenue. Define bigger?" Which has resulted me in puting this together in a time line to make sure we are all on the same page. The last bit "Define Bigger?", is the absolute key question and one asked a couple of pages prior and ignored. The problem with using something like social media to define 'Bigger' is as Andy Warhol said "Everyone is famous for 15 minutes"... 😆 Does any of it matter though! |
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Post by eric on Oct 13, 2024 15:29:16 GMT
Breaking news. Cure for insomnia found.
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Post by aghast on Oct 13, 2024 17:05:17 GMT
Don't you just hate it when you spend ages putting together a well structured and detailed total rebuttal of another poster's arguments, and when you post it, they couldn't care less? 😖
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Post by gasify on Oct 13, 2024 17:07:06 GMT
Don't you just hate it when you spend ages putting together a well structured and detailed total rebuttal of another poster's arguments, and when you post it, they couldn't care less? 😖 Don't feed the trolls |
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Post by singupgas on Oct 13, 2024 19:22:43 GMT
Don't you just hate it when you spend ages putting together a well structured and detailed total rebuttal of another poster's arguments, and when you post it, they couldn't care less? 😖 Don't feed the trolls Please can you clarify what you mean by bigger? I am bit lost with the debate, I was clearly, giving you just a single social media sites follower comparison, which would suggest there is more interest in JB and that he is possibly more influential than you would like to admit. But as Bristol Rovers supporter I obviously have more interest in the Gas. Nothing more to it than that. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 16, 2024 8:09:38 GMT
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Post by aghast on Oct 16, 2024 15:58:39 GMT
That's behind a paywall. What does it remind you of? |
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Post by DrFaustus on Oct 16, 2024 16:41:44 GMT
That's behind a paywall. What does it remind you of? To register with The New York Times costs nothing. It reminds me of quality journalism, which is a rarity. |
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