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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 7, 2015 10:08:31 GMT
Not disappeared at all.
I made my point and subsequent results have more than proven that I was correct.
Points made were in a number of posts:-
* we were creating nothing
* Lines needed to be dropped
* we needed to play creative players
* our strikers were more than good enough
(now if you want I can bring back up all these posts)
So, what has happened since my original post:-
* Lines was dropped
* set pieces have improved markedly
* we are playing with creative players in Bodin and Gosling
* we have created a bucket load of chances
* our strikers (Easter, Harrison, Bodin and Taylor) have scored 8 goals in three games.
So, was I right to be worried, yes. Has that view changed. Now that Lines has been dropped, yes.
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Post by fanboy on Oct 7, 2015 10:10:29 GMT
Not disappeared at all. I made my point and subsequent results have more than proven that I was correct. Points made were in a number of posts:- * we were creating nothing * Lines needed to be dropped * we needed to play creative players * our strikers were more than good enough (now if you want I can bring back up all these posts) So, what has happened since my original post:- * Lines was dropped * set pieces have improved markedly * we are playing with creative players in Bodin and Gosling * we have created a bucket load of chances * our strikers (Easter, Harrison, Bodin and Taylor) have scored 8 goals in three games. So, was I right to be worried, yes. Has that view changed. Now that Lines has been dropped, yes. Cheekily ignoring Lines played and created a lot last night I see |
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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 7, 2015 10:11:38 GMT
This isn't a knee jerk reaction bit something we have struggled with for years, including last season in the Conference where a lack of goals and the ability to create chances ultimately cost us the title. We could have the best strikers in the world and they wouldn't score as they are being provided with nothing from midfield.
Now it would appear that DC has learnt nothing from the last time he managed at this level. Goals win games. The strikers we have will score if you give them the opportunities.
The tone of the game was set after 20 secs today. Lines first pass went straight to an opponent. The next pass saw Parkes put it straight into the crowd. But what has baffled me was his post match interview saying that we need to take our chances. What chances. Apart from Lines free kick and Parkes free header what did we create.
We have so far beaten three very poor sides in Luton, Yeovil and Barnet. It isn't a striker we need and how much we arr missing Monkhouse is quite staggering Just for Twertonkid |
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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 7, 2015 10:13:52 GMT
Not disappeared at all. I made my point and subsequent results have more than proven that I was correct. Points made were in a number of posts:- * we were creating nothing * Lines needed to be dropped * we needed to play creative players * our strikers were more than good enough (now if you want I can bring back up all these posts) So, what has happened since my original post:- * Lines was dropped * set pieces have improved markedly * we are playing with creative players in Bodin and Gosling * we have created a bucket load of chances * our strikers (Easter, Harrison, Bodin and Taylor) have scored 8 goals in three games. So, was I right to be worried, yes. Has that view changed. Now that Lines has been dropped, yes. Cheekily ignoring Lines played and created a lot last night I see Not ignoring that at all. Trouble is it is too infrequent
But the general concensus is that he doesn't do it consistently and that is why I expect Mansell back in against Mansfield.
If Lines hadn't played last night he would have known it was time to look for another club
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 10:16:23 GMT
But Lines has played and has played well since this post?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 10:17:39 GMT
Cheekily ignoring Lines played and created a lot last night I see Not ignoring that at all. Trouble is it is too infrequent
But the general concensus is that he doesn't do it consistently and that is why I expect Mansell back in against Mansfield.
If Lines hadn't played last night he would have known it was time to look for another club
No idea where this has come from? Still one of our best players. He needed to be dropped I agree, he was and I am sure will now come back into the fold. There is a difference between going through a bad patch and just being generally bad. Thankfully Lines is the former. |
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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 7, 2015 10:36:42 GMT
Not ignoring that at all. Trouble is it is too infrequent
But the general concensus is that he doesn't do it consistently and that is why I expect Mansell back in against Mansfield.
If Lines hadn't played last night he would have known it was time to look for another club
No idea where this has come from? Still one of our best players. He needed to be dropped I agree, he was and I am sure will now come back into the fold. There is a difference between going through a bad patch and just being generally bad. Thankfully Lines is the former. There is a difference also between good and people giving him the benefit of the doubt because he is a bristolian.
Apart from one spell in L1 with us when Lambert was on fire Lines has been nothing but ordinary. He has never controlled a midfield and is incapable of doing so. He offers us nothing as an attacking threat (assists and goals) and defensively he is woeful. Can't tackle, won't header, won't chase back etc etc.
He is a luxury player. That is my view and nothing I have seen since his return has changed and DC obviously thought the same by dropping him.
With regards my point about him needing another club. If he couldn't get a game last night it would have seriously sent out a message from DC that he wasn't in his plans. The fact that he has not come on as sub in either of the League games says enough for me.
Expect his form to change next March when he is looking for a new contract.
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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 7, 2015 10:41:33 GMT
Not ignoring that at all. Trouble is it is too infrequent
But the general concensus is that he doesn't do it consistently and that is why I expect Mansell back in against Mansfield.
If Lines hadn't played last night he would have known it was time to look for another club
No idea where this has come from? Still one of our best players. He needed to be dropped I agree, he was and I am sure will now come back into the fold. There is a difference between going through a bad patch and just being generally bad. Thankfully Lines is the former. When was he one of our best players? Not in my lifetime. He isn't even in the top two midfielders at our own club |
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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 7, 2015 10:44:58 GMT
But Lines has played and has played well since this post? If he was playing so well why was he dropped? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 10:51:19 GMT
I am talking about him being played again AFTER he was dropped...
In the last two games we have created more chances than I have ever seen us create. Last night an awful lot of that was from Lines.
He is clearly a good footballer. Bad patch, good patch or indifferent, he is just a good footballer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 11:02:44 GMT
TBF to Joe he was spot on in his posts. I don't like the way he goes about it, but he did call it correct.
Now it's up to Chris to get back to the form we all know he's capable of, get back in the team(league) and keep his place.
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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 7, 2015 11:18:19 GMT
I am talking about him being played again AFTER he was dropped... In the last two games we have created more chances than I have ever seen us create. Last night an awful lot of that was from Lines. He is clearly a good footballer. Bad patch, good patch or indifferent, he is just a good footballer. And you clearly dont read what is in front of you or in the media. Mansell missed most of pre-season so asking him to play 3 games in 8 days was a risk. No need to risk him in the JPT. The general concensus appears to be that Lines was hardly brilliant last night. If it had been a league game lines wouldn't have played and 99.9% of gasheads will expect him back on the bench against Mansfield with Parkes joining him. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 7, 2015 11:24:51 GMT
I am talking about him being played again AFTER he was dropped... In the last two games we have created more chances than I have ever seen us create. Last night an awful lot of that was from Lines. He is clearly a good footballer. Bad patch, good patch or indifferent, he is just a good footballer. And you clearly dont read what is in front of you or in the media. Mansell missed most of pre-season so asking him to play 3 games in 8 days was a risk. No need to risk him in the JPT. The general concensus appears to be that Lines was hardly brilliant last night. If it had been a league game lines wouldn't have played and 99.9% of gasheads will expect him back on the bench against Mansfield with Parkes joining him. The average scores from Unigas player rating thread gives Lines 6.5 and Sinclair 8. In my opinion Mansell is the best midfielder at the club. |
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Post by mjhgas on Oct 7, 2015 11:32:52 GMT
But Lines has played and has played well since this post? Has being dropped given Lines and Parkes a kick up the backside that both needed? Perhaps we will now see them at their best!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 11:35:10 GMT
Chris Lines will still play a big part to play this season,no doubt about that in my view.Are the likes of Sinclair a bit in awe when Lines is on the pitch and less inclined to/instructed to play the more creative role.The beard was labelled as being unable to fulfil that role in the early games but is flourishing now,so has he now mentally had the shackles released in CL's absence I'm wondering.
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Post by joebananas67 on Oct 7, 2015 11:50:35 GMT
Twertonkid - you give the impression that you think Mansell was dropped last night.
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 7, 2015 11:55:55 GMT
More drivel
Ad nauseam
Advertises the book every time though...
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Post by rambo on Oct 7, 2015 12:12:56 GMT
Make no mistake, lines didnt have a great game last night. He created a few chances but the ease at which Wycombe ran at our defence was ridiculous and he didnt boss the midfield. Sinclair was doing the donkey work for both and won 10x the number of headers compared to lines... work that one out!
However, his ability to create and start attacks is second to none in terms of our midfield. When he has creative players in front of him, as he did last night, he adds so much going forward. He wasnt able to do it in a 3-5-2 as there was nothing in front of him.
The dilemma we now face is if we have lines in the team, we leave the midfield open to get bossed by our opponents and put our defence under more pressure, but we will create chances too.
My personal opinion is that we have enough in taylor easter bodin and gosling to create so mansell should start ahead of lines for defensive security. I think lines will still have a huge role to play this season, especially against lesser teams we should look to really get at.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 7, 2015 12:24:26 GMT
No idea where this has come from? Still one of our best players. He needed to be dropped I agree, he was and I am sure will now come back into the fold. There is a difference between going through a bad patch and just being generally bad. Thankfully Lines is the former. There is a difference also between good and people giving him the benefit of the doubt because he is a bristolian.
Apart from one spell in L1 with us when Lambert was on fire Lines has been nothing but ordinary. He has never controlled a midfield and is incapable of doing so. He offers us nothing as an attacking threat (assists and goals) and defensively he is woeful. Can't tackle, won't header, won't chase back etc etc.
He is a luxury player. That is my view and nothing I have seen since his return has changed and DC obviously thought the same by dropping him.
With regards my point about him needing another club. If he couldn't get a game last night it would have seriously sent out a message from DC that he wasn't in his plans. The fact that he has not come on as sub in either of the League games says enough for me.
Expect his form to change next March when he is looking for a new contract.
Surely those two views contradict each other? Either he's a luxary player who can't tackle or he's just going though the motions until he needs another contract? Personally I've never seen Lines as an hard tackling midfielder and you do wonder if DC made a mistake by signing him, if that's what was required this season. having said that to beat one of the top teams last night 2-0 was impressive stuff. I agree though that Lines & Parkes will be back on the bench for Mansfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 12:27:15 GMT
Make no mistake, lines didnt have a great game last night. He created a few chances but the ease at which Wycombe ran at our defence was ridiculous and he didnt boss the midfield. Sinclair was doing the donkey work for both and won 10x the number of headers compared to lines... work that one out! However, his ability to create and start attacks is second to none in terms of our midfield. When he has creative players in front of him, as he did last night, he adds so much going forward. He wasnt able to do it in a 3-5-2 as there was nothing in front of him. The dilemma we now face is if we have lines in the team, we leave the midfield open to get bossed by our opponents and put our defence under more pressure, but we will create chances too. My personal opinion is that we have enough in taylor easter bodin and gosling to create so mansell should start ahead of lines for defensive security. I think lines will still have a huge role to play this season, especially against lesser teams we should look to really get at. |
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