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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 29, 2016 9:31:22 GMT
This argument frustrates me. A ground is ready when it's ready. The outputs of a new training ground and thus academy will take many years more to fully come to fruition. We need the training ground to be built now to be successful when the new ground is built and thus is more important in the short term. The board seem to feel the same way as Wael has stated the training ground is #1 priority.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 29, 2016 9:52:42 GMT
Unless the stadium is delivered the training ground and academy will be a waste of time. The training ground/academy will be used a lot by the Jordanian FA..........   |
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Post by gasincider on Dec 29, 2016 10:04:26 GMT
Unless the stadium is delivered the training ground and academy will be a waste of time. Why?
Could be that without any increase in income generated by a new stadium, how can we afford to run a state of the art training facility? I have no reason to doubt what Wael said at Millwall. The only outstanding issue is the price of the land. UWE bought the land for a song and stand to make millions selling it to us. Just how greedy do they need to be? |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 29, 2016 10:13:46 GMT
Could be that without any increase in income generated by a new stadium, how can we afford to run a state of the art training facility? I have no reason to doubt what Wael said at Millwall. The only outstanding issue is the price of the land. UWE bought the land for a song and stand to make millions selling it to us. Just how greedy do they need to be? I guess the initial Cat 3 status is far cheaper to run than the hopeful Cat 2 status we would want later. A new ground (or lack off) doesn't make our own training facility pointless.
How much do we pay to rent/use wherever we train now?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 29, 2016 10:22:19 GMT
Could be that without any increase in income generated by a new stadium, how can we afford to run a state of the art training facility? I have no reason to doubt what Wael said at Millwall. The only outstanding issue is the price of the land. UWE bought the land for a song and stand to make millions selling it to us. Just how greedy do they need to be? UWE also bought the land with the understanding that it will be used for "educational purposes"... read into that what you will  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 10:29:52 GMT
This is what I want:
"We announce the end of the UWE project and that we have submitted plans for an excavated complex on the existing memorial site. This will feature a six storey leisure and car park complex with a partially sunken 35,000 seater above it. This has safe standing where the dribuild and blackthorn are.
The smoking area is retained, and the stands are named the eastville end, Twerton end, Bradford bank and the Arab end (a reminder of our roots as the black Arabs but also a subtle hat tip to the al Qadis who delivered the stadium)
The away end features a removable roof, via remote control. This is activated by a decibel sensor in the rovers end, meaning the crowd can activate its removal in periods of rain.
The referees dressing room features complimentary transcendental chanting and swinging watches to ensure compliant displays.
Away technical area actually electrocutes those who stray outside"
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 29, 2016 10:36:34 GMT
Could be that without any increase in income generated by a new stadium, how can we afford to run a state of the art training facility? I have no reason to doubt what Wael said at Millwall. The only outstanding issue is the price of the land. UWE bought the land for a song and stand to make millions selling it to us. Just how greedy do they need to be? Isn't that just how things work in business? Whilst we have pp for the training facility there's nothing to say we have to still purchase the land or, if we do, develop it fully (or even at all) until we sort out the stadium issues. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 29, 2016 10:37:51 GMT
This is what I want: "We announce the end of the UWE project and that we have submitted plans for an excavated complex on the existing memorial site. This will feature a six storey leisure and car park complex with a partially sunken 35,000 seater above it. This has safe standing where the dribuild and blackthorn are. The smoking area is retained, and the stands are named the eastville end, Twerton end, Bradford bank and the Arab end (a reminder of our roots as the black Arabs but also a subtle hat tip to the al Qadis who delivered the stadium) The away end features a removable roof, via remote control. This is activated by a decibel sensor in the rovers end, meaning the crowd can activate its removal in periods of rain. The referees dressing room features complimentary transcendental chanting and swinging watches to ensure compliant displays. Away technical area actually electrocutes those who stray outside" you forgot the post match spa facilities with hand wash buckets.... very important these days |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 29, 2016 10:39:14 GMT
Unless the stadium is delivered the training ground and academy will be a waste of time. The training ground/academy will be used a lot by the Jordanian FA.......... You keep hinting at that but is there any real proof? With Brexit on the horizon just how easy will it be for the Jordanians to use it in large numbers in any event even if they wanted to? |
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Post by garystash on Dec 29, 2016 10:40:35 GMT
Only at Bristol Rovers can news about progress on our own training facility be seen as a bad thing!
We all know we need a new stadium, but I think prioritising that over the training ground is putting the cart before the horse.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 29, 2016 10:42:49 GMT
The training ground/academy will be used a lot by the Jordanian FA.......... You keep hinting at that but is there any real proof? With Brexit on the horizon just how easy will it be for the Jordanians to use it in large numbers in any event even if they wanted to? You could ask the same question about the number of overseas students using our educational facilities.... the same scheme will apply |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 10:48:29 GMT
This forum has gone mad and is full of WUMs.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Dec 29, 2016 10:48:49 GMT
Could be that without any increase in income generated by a new stadium, how can we afford to run a state of the art training facility? I have no reason to doubt what Wael said at Millwall. The only outstanding issue is the price of the land. UWE bought the land for a song and stand to make millions selling it to us. Just how greedy do they need to be? It wouldn't surprise me if UWE are just being greedy over the price of the land now that they realise we've got a super rich owner backing us. I'm sure I remember reading a post from someone on here that the UWE were telling potential future students about our project and selling it to them as a positive thing. They may be keener to have us there than we realise which could be what the delay is all about. Two businesses playing hard ball in negotiations, its all about who caves first. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 11:06:35 GMT
This forum has gone mad and is full of WUMs. you dont have one shred of evidence for that absurd comment! |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 29, 2016 11:12:30 GMT
This forum has gone mad and is full of WUMs. you dont have one shred of evidence for that absurd comment! Please define a "WUM" |
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Post by Strange Gas on Dec 29, 2016 11:18:38 GMT
Lack of news on UWE is clearly a sign of no positive progress, and i think silence implies as much frustration for Hamer as we all feel, but I don't think finding another site is as easy as some seem to suggest. So I'd be more worried if we'd just thrown in the towel and got told it's all fine as we will have another option ready in a few weeks. We haven't yet walked away from UWE so all is not yet lost
I really can't see it matters that we have training facility confirmed before stadium. We need both so good news we have one! I also think training facility is key to developing a better squad so happy order of events is right for the long term game
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Dec 29, 2016 11:19:59 GMT
Only at Bristol Rovers can news about progress on our own training facility be seen as a bad thing! We all know we need a new stadium, but I think prioritising that over the training ground is putting the cart before the horse. Agree, but also presuming the training ground now gets built, it is a clear statement of intent from the owner that regardless of whether it is at the UWE, we will get a new ground in time. It is also worth remembering that unlike for long periods of our existence, we do own our own ground, which is fit for purpose for our current needs. I don't understand the hysterical reactions on here. If UWE doesn't go ahead why would this be Wael or Hamer's fault? If the deal isn't right for the club then we absolutely shouldn't move there. Re: communication, yes I think it can probably be read from the lack of it that negotiations haven't gone to plan, and Hamer is probably very wary of leading the fans on after what he said earlier in the year. It is very difficult from a PR point of view to know when to speak out and when to keep quiet when you know that every word said or not said will be scrutinised and interpreted. It is also very important to try and keep the good feeling currently surrounding the club. We can speculate about the stadium situation all we like, but I don't see any evidence that decisions are being made against the best interests of the club, in fact far from it. What I sense is that had we gone with the initial plan of the old board we could have been screwed over. Let's wait and see what happens, but for now, league 1 football in front of nearly packed houses at the Mem, with our first club-owned training ground on the way, is hardly to be sneezed at if you think about where we were in May 2014. |
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Post by Langford Gas on Dec 29, 2016 11:44:22 GMT
As others have said before, people only want news when it is good news. People are moaning on here that there is no news, but if there was bad news then the forum would be in meltdown. My gut feeling is that the feasibility report has come back and the UWE deal wasn't all it was made out to be so we are looking at alternative options or negotiating a better price. Why would anyone want us to rush things and get a poor deal or be ripped off? I have a lot more faith in the current board to get the best deal for the club than the last one. I also can't understand how anyone can see the new training ground as a negative thing. I don't think us getting the training ground has any impact on whether or not we get a new stadium, no one has said it is an either/or. Therefore, what happens with the stadium is irrelevant to the training ground, 'a state of the art' training ground is a great asset and a positive thing for the club, so don't take it as anything but that. UTG! I agree 100% but there is another possibility , perhaps the feasibility study came back satisfactorily and that kick started the legal/conveyancing process and announcement will only be made once it is signed and sealed. Similar scenario with the training ground, no official statement as such but it is progressing and I am of the opinion once it is 100% owned legally they will make an announcement. Just and opinion and my disclaimer is I am not ITK never have been ITK and I don't need to be ITK as I am married  Personally I don't believe for one moment Wael would be here if there was't the potential for a new stadium , thats where the money is ,thats where the potential growth is, it will happen i'm sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 12:00:43 GMT
you dont have one shred of evidence for that absurd comment! Please define a "WUM" Wind Up Merchant. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 29, 2016 12:03:09 GMT
that could be me then |
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