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Post by faggotygas on Jul 28, 2017 10:07:19 GMT
I sort of agree. The first step to treating someone differently is to single them out!! That said, this article did say they went in with bias assuming racism was at play, only to reveal....er, it wasn't. Got doubt their numbers too. They only counted 6 black/ethnic minorities?? Where did they stand and how long did they count for?? I accept the fan base is predominantly White though. Terribly sad that the PC brigade don't see a person but have to label everyone black or white, Christian or Muslim. Perhaps we should go the whole hog and provide a selection of badges for everyone to wear a nice LGBT or BAME or second class (for straight white non disabled men) or a star if David for Jewish people, you know just something inoffensive. With all the space at the new UWE we could even provide segregated areas for each minority. These PC types certainly believe in progress and ensuring racism and religious discrimination is kepr alive and kicking There's nothing racist - or indeed, PC - about seeing a situation and dealing with it. This is just recognising that there are less people of colour in a crowd then you would expect by comparing to the local population, and wondering why.
If I looked at the Mem crowd and noticed that there are less short people in it then I would expect, I'd also wonder why - is it because they can't see very well through a crowd? What could the club do about it, to make short people feel welcome?
Its all just making sure that the club isn't missing out on a potential additional group of fans.
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Post by beaver132 on Jul 28, 2017 10:19:00 GMT
The thing is, if there is a perception that racism exists and is prevelant at football grounds, and that BAME people will be singled out, then they won't come. But whose problem is it? Ours, for not being (outwardly) racist,but not having the chance to demonstrate it, or BAME people for their unfair assumption that football supporters will hate them, without trying it for a few games to see for themselves. And is that perception prejudiced?
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Post by singupgas on Jul 28, 2017 10:23:26 GMT
I clicked on this thinking the dance troupe were appearing to do their stuff! Bring back the Blue Flames I say! Oh nooo unless they are adult cheerleaders and in good nick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 10:42:31 GMT
Seen white people but no blue people!
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Post by baggins on Jul 28, 2017 10:45:06 GMT
Seen white people but no blue people! Vegas. They're in Vegas.
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Post by drasim on Jul 28, 2017 10:57:47 GMT
The thing is, if there is a perception that racism exists and is prevelant at football grounds, and that BAME people will be singled out, then they won't come. But whose problem is it? Ours, for not being (outwardly) racist,but not having the chance to demonstrate it, or BAME people for their unfair assumption that football supporters will hate them, without trying it for a few games to see for themselves. And is that perception prejudiced? I think the issue is lack of data. The report mentions a count of 9 BAME during the Southend match, but is this accurate? Is this down or up on average? Were other clubs experiencing low numbers that weekend? The report mentions that the club don't take demographics at turnstiles. To do that would take some planning, but if the club feels that they are missing out on additional income then it makes sense to put something together.
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Post by scoobydoogas on Jul 28, 2017 11:12:58 GMT
Seen white people but no blue people! Smurfs are tiny and wouldn't be able to see the game so they don't come, and they prefer singing to football anyway.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Jul 28, 2017 11:22:42 GMT
This article would appear to (at it's own admission) use incredibly approximate statistics to them condemn our fan base.... Not sure that is really on is it?
I would personally argue the numbers put forward anyway, I must admit that I find the notion of "doing a headcount of BAEM fans" in any situation incredibly bizarre! But if I really had to, I would suggest that the figure is way higher than the 9 quote and thus the whole article is probably inaccurate.
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Post by pirate on Jul 28, 2017 11:25:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 11:28:28 GMT
That's an idea for mass away game - Blackburn!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 12:06:38 GMT
I find our crowd is horrendously white. It disgusts me to see all those white faces, with white children just waiting to grow up into racists.
I mean, whites are 12% of the world population and we need less of us, more less white people to come in to the UK please, it makes me sick to see all those blue eyes. To think, there's a historical cultural tradition of local people, it's about time we put a stop to that. Look at history, white history is the history of oppression and the quicker we are wiped out the better.
It's about equality and diversity and stopping racism.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jul 28, 2017 12:08:16 GMT
''But racism wasn’t an issue with any BAME football fans we spoke to. Omar, who we met in Star Coffee on Stapleton Road, is a Man United fan who followed them on TV in his native Somalia. Does he see racism being an issue if he attended a Rovers game? “No, that’s not an issue,” he said. “If Rovers (or City) got better, then I would definitely attend matches.”
This part of the article was the most relevant. It doesn't matter if you're white, black, brown, Green or orange. The Rovers and City can argue all they like about who's the biggest team in Bristol, but both have and will for many years to come 3rd and 4th behind Man United & Liverpool.
In 2016 more Liverpool shirts were sold in Bristol than they were in Liverpool.
When walking home from work through Little Stoke Field, I'll see Stoke Lane lads training wearing Liverpool, Arsenal, United and even Man city shirts now.
We are a city with a majority of glory hunters, nothing to do with race what so ever.
This is the real problem that needs to be addressed, not diversity
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 28, 2017 12:14:41 GMT
The thing is, if there is a perception that racism exists and is prevelant at football grounds, and that BAME people will be singled out, then they won't come. But whose problem is it? Ours, for not being (outwardly) racist,but not having the chance to demonstrate it, or BAME people for their unfair assumption that football supporters will hate them, without trying it for a few games to see for themselves. And is that perception prejudiced? I think the issue is lack of data. The report mentions a count of 9 BAME during the Southend match, but is this accurate? Is this down or up on average? Were other clubs experiencing low numbers that weekend? The report mentions that the club don't take demographics at turnstiles. To do that would take some planning, but if the club feels that they are missing out on additional income then it makes sense to put something together. So two people(?) did a quick head count and decided only 9 BAME attended then wrote an article about it, isn't this potentially "fake news" as I'd be surprised if the figure was that low. But how does that figure compare with other sports teams in the area such as the two Bristol Sport clubs plus Bath RFC? Also what about other lower league clubs with a similar make up of BAME in their communities such as Swindon? If it comes down to costs what are the writers proposing BAME's are given special discounts, I can see that going down well!!
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Post by baggins on Jul 28, 2017 12:21:41 GMT
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 28, 2017 12:51:29 GMT
The thing is, if there is a perception that racism exists and is prevelant at football grounds, and that BAME people will be singled out, then they won't come. But whose problem is it? Ours, for not being (outwardly) racist,but not having the chance to demonstrate it, or BAME people for their unfair assumption that football supporters will hate them, without trying it for a few games to see for themselves. And is that perception prejudiced? We should also remember, though, that cultural differences mean that in some BAME communities football isn't as popular as in it is in ours, radical thought that might be for some. Football is by far the most popular sport amongst white British men but it is not necessarily in other demographic groups so just applying raw percentages may well be misleading.
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Post by drasim on Jul 28, 2017 13:04:37 GMT
I think the issue is lack of data. The report mentions a count of 9 BAME during the Southend match, but is this accurate? Is this down or up on average? Were other clubs experiencing low numbers that weekend? The report mentions that the club don't take demographics at turnstiles. To do that would take some planning, but if the club feels that they are missing out on additional income then it makes sense to put something together. So two people(?) did a quick head count and decided only 9 BAME attended then wrote an article about it, isn't this potentially "fake news" as I'd be surprised if the figure was that low. But how does that figure compare with other sports teams in the area such as the two Bristol Sport clubs plus Bath RFC? Also what about other lower league clubs with a similar make up of BAME in their communities such as Swindon? If it comes down to costs what are the writers proposing BAME's are given special discounts, I can see that going down well!! I can only guess that they have very limited resources. I think it's more about awareness than fake news, but honestly they could have done a better job with the research. They didn't suggest discounts and I would hope clubs don't go down that route as I think that would be a bad business decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 13:27:11 GMT
Why is it necessary to change this? Serious question, what is the implicit assumption that mainly white activities are "bad". Why is this a problem and where did you pick up that starting place in the thought process?
We are a tiny minority of the world population. Tiny. What's wrong it?
Going to be tough to answer that! I am not a white nationalist, but there is something seriously weird with this type of thinking, almost masochistic.
Do you think the world begins and ends here? Do you realise of outside of Europe and USA the world is mainly non-white, with no "drives" to elevate white people, allow them to join their countries and elevate them to positions of power? It's ludicrous. It's bizzarre.
I don't see the world in colour. Some people do, I couldn't care less. However, when you come from this truly equality based viewpoint, articles saying things are "too white" shows that most racism is going the opposite direction to the one we think it is!
My school kind of told me that white people took over the world and we need to be "nice" because of Hitler and the British Empire (abridged, but pretty much on the money)
I have thought about this in adulthood,yet most do not challenge the inbuilt assumptions we were given. Especially when there is shame or guilt attached, which has nothing to do with anyone living today.
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Post by pirate on Jul 28, 2017 13:52:08 GMT
I find our crowd is horrendously white. It disgusts me to see all those white faces, with white children just waiting to grow up into racists. I mean, whites are 12% of the world population and we need less of us, more less white people to come in to the UK please, it makes me sick to see all those blue eyes. To think, there's a historical cultural tradition of local people, it's about time we put a stop to that. Look at history, white history is the history of oppression and the quicker we are wiped out the better. It's about equality and diversity and stopping racism.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 28, 2017 14:09:31 GMT
Can we keep the stirring up race-hate posts down a little bit please, otherwise I'll move this to General Ignorance Chat. Thanks.
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Post by poorblue on Jul 28, 2017 14:25:37 GMT
Perhaps people are looking in the wrong direction as to why BAME do not attend live football. Perhaps the real question is why do "PEOPLE" go? Whatever their sex, race, religion, age weight height. My reason is I like it, nothing better (mostly) than the atmosphere at live football with other like minded people. It's my thinking that humans are gregarious and tribal. Hence the reason people like to stand at football matches? My heritage is Bristolian for centuarys. It's my town. I could have following another team. (I did try OTIB during their 1st div days but it felt empty) Watching others teams is a nice day out but not "good" like watching the gas with all it's pain and ecstasy. It's MY team it hurts when we lose and I'm elated when we win. If I was ever to move to say Bangladesh I would still follow the gas. Wild horses couldn't drag me to watch cricket. I've stopped watching football on TV as it does nothing for me. Have you ever stood in a pub whilst live football is on and people watched. No-one is watching until the volume goes up then all they see is the action replay. On another note when I was younger players were rated by how they performed and you could only see that live I seems to me that recently they are rated by how much they cost and unless in the £1m + not worth watching. Is this anything to do with why "ethnic" watching TV footie seem it below them to come down to the Mem?
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