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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 16:39:46 GMT
And that is a very important point! This whole labeling and targeting is just wrong. If we encourage Muslims, does that mean that Jewish people may feel uncomfortable, or will the LGBT community not turn up! Has the campaign to stamp out homophobia in football resulted in fewer Muslims turning up? Who knows what unintended consequences there are with these campaigns. Don't target groups, target people, people of any race, creed, religion or whatever, just target people ! Hi Nobby, long time no speak (I'm from the old, old OF) Hope you're well and the Germans are looking after you. I agree that the ideal situation would be to target people in general, but I feel that current society and cultural differences we have in the West make that difficult. At the moment there are movements in the US education system who are going backwards by segregating races and social genders. We don't need this stupid political ideology in football. If done carefully, I feel it's possible for the club to increase the fanbase without issues on matchday. Hi drasim - Hope you and yours are keeping well. I try to keep away from the Germs, and their sausages and bread, although idolised by them, is still rank
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 28, 2017 16:50:36 GMT
In 2016 more Liverpool shirts were sold in Bristol than they were in Liverpool. Good point raised regarding shirts you can go into any well known high street sports shop anywhere in the country and buy a top premiership shirt off the peg and even some of the top european sides it would be nice to see the sport shop chains supporting the local sides in their catchment areas I don't think they're allowed, and it takes money away from proper Gas shops. Not 100% it's still the case, but pretty sure it used to be that only the club shops and Doug Hillard could sell them, and therefore more of the money went to the club.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 28, 2017 17:01:17 GMT
Pretty sure Rovers shirts were sold in sports shops in Bristol in the past, regardless we don't know who bought those Liverpool shirts in Bristol, were they bought by a % of BME's or just solely white people?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jul 28, 2017 17:03:44 GMT
Terribly sad that the PC brigade don't see a person but have to label everyone black or white, Christian or Muslim. Perhaps we should go the whole hog and provide a selection of badges for everyone to wear a nice LGBT or BAME or second class (for straight white non disabled men) or a star if David for Jewish people, you know just something inoffensive. With all the space at the new UWE we could even provide segregated areas for each minority. These PC types certainly believe in progress and ensuring racism and religious discrimination is kepr alive and kicking There's nothing racist - or indeed, PC - about seeing a situation and dealing with it. This is just recognising that there are less people of colour in a crowd then you would expect by comparing to the local population, and wondering why.
If I looked at the Mem crowd and noticed that there are less short people in it then I would expect, I'd also wonder why - is it because they can't see very well through a crowd? What could the club do about it, to make short people feel welcome?
Its all just making sure that the club isn't missing out on a potential additional group of fans.
The usual refrain of the PC brigade it's about equality. It could be about short or tall or fat people or why women earn the same at Wimbledon for 3/5 ths the work but it never is it? They always bang on about race and religion. Like a bunch of management consultants they'll make sure there us a 'problem' they can solve, and if that problems looks like going away and making them redundant they'll be making sure that racial and religious discrimination continues. Dam parasites. Simple solution if you think some group is under represented invite some along. Appreciate it offends some to actually do something about a problem rather just tell others to solve it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 17:30:43 GMT
There's nothing racist - or indeed, PC - about seeing a situation and dealing with it. This is just recognising that there are less people of colour in a crowd then you would expect by comparing to the local population, and wondering why.
If I looked at the Mem crowd and noticed that there are less short people in it then I would expect, I'd also wonder why - is it because they can't see very well through a crowd? What could the club do about it, to make short people feel welcome?
Its all just making sure that the club isn't missing out on a potential additional group of fans.
The usual refrain of the PC brigade it's about equality. It could be about short or tall or fat people or why women earn the same at Wimbledon for 3/5 ths the work but it never is it? They always bang on about race and religion. Like a bunch of management consultants they'll make sure there us a 'problem' they can solve, and if that problems looks like going away and making them redundant they'll be making sure that racial and religious discrimination continues. f**king parasites. Simple solution if you think some group is under represented invite some along. Appreciate it offends some to actually do something about a problem rather just tell others to solve it Where is the local leper colony? I'll be down there to invite them all to trashton
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Post by althepirate on Jul 28, 2017 19:59:54 GMT
When I went to Villa. many years ago, in the cup against us I remember how many black people there were living in the area and how few there were inside the ground. Nothing has changed. These guys who wrote this seemed to be looking for trouble, but they didn't find it because there isn't any to be found. When Leicester won the Prem title a rough figure of 5% were BAME in comparison to this group being 30% of the area. They obviously don't want to go and watch games live and with the freedom we have in this country they can exercise that right. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/29/where-are-asians-leicester-city-stadium
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 20:10:18 GMT
Pretty sure Rovers shirts were sold in sports shops in Bristol in the past, regardless we don't know who bought those Liverpool shirts in Bristol, were they bought by a % of BME's or just solely white people? Your missing the point its not about who bought them its the fact they are easily available if the shirts from local teams were more mainstream then maybe this would attract and accourage more fans to follow our local sides. It just seems the large premier clubs have the monoply on shirt sales well thats how it appears to me
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Post by pirate on Jul 28, 2017 20:25:43 GMT
Hi Nobby, long time no speak (I'm from the old, old OF) Hope you're well and the Germans are looking after you. I agree that the ideal situation would be to target people in general, but I feel that current society and cultural differences we have in the West make that difficult. At the moment there are movements in the US education system who are going backwards by segregating races and social genders. We don't need this stupid political ideology in football. If done carefully, I feel it's possible for the club to increase the fanbase without issues on matchday. So is ours, it's down to Left leaning teachers only teaching a left leaning education, very sad that they put children through this, they can't read or write but they are told which party to vote for !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 20:31:29 GMT
Its hard not to notice how different a crowd of people at a rovers match is compared to a crowd in a supermarket or at the mall. In the latter places i encounter diversity in race and language but in a football ground almost no diversity. Just from a commercial point of view it must be worth the club launching some sort of project to change this situation. If tesco had the same situation they would try and do something about it to increase their profits so why not bristol rovers?
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 28, 2017 21:00:12 GMT
Its hard not to notice how different a crowd of people at a rovers match is compared to a crowd in a supermarket or at the mall. In the latter places i encounter diversity in race and language but in a football ground almost no diversity. Just from a commercial point of view it must be worth the club launching some sort of project to change this situation. If tesco had the same situation they would try and do something about it to increase their profits so why not bristol rovers? You have to buy food, you don't have to go to a football match.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 21:53:19 GMT
Its hard not to notice how different a crowd of people at a rovers match is compared to a crowd in a supermarket or at the mall. In the latter places i encounter diversity in race and language but in a football ground almost no diversity. Just from a commercial point of view it must be worth the club launching some sort of project to change this situation. If tesco had the same situation they would try and do something about it to increase their profits so why not bristol rovers? You have to buy food, you don't have to go to a football match..... Yes but rovers and probably most clubs are not attractive diversity to the club and there must be potential to increase revenue by doing such a thing in my view.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 21:59:38 GMT
I sometimes go and watch Eintracht Frankfurt play. They get crowds of 50,000.Frankfurt officially has more 'foreigners' than people born in Germany. The first German city to achieve this.........their crowds are mostly white, Germans........just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 22:08:56 GMT
I sometimes go and watch Eintracht Frankfurt play. They get crowds of 50,000.Frankfurt officially has more 'foreigners' than people born in Germany. The first German city to achieve this.........their crowds are mostly white, Germans........just saying. Unless they get a bigger ground its not an issue for them then is it? But we only get 9,000 in a great season so any more would be great dont you think?
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Post by yattongas on Jul 28, 2017 22:17:42 GMT
I sometimes go and watch Eintracht Frankfurt play. They get crowds of 50,000.Frankfurt officially has more 'foreigners' than people born in Germany. The first German city to achieve this.........their crowds are mostly white, Germans........just saying. How long has this been this way ? Don't you think for the first few it must be a bit daunting to go into a footy stadium when predominantly it's a all white affair / or was ..... And you know a certain percentage of those hold racist views as was predominant in English football ( and at the gas to a degree ) for many years. It takes time for people to feel comfortable and safe and at ease. thats my take on things anyway.
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Post by socrates on Jul 28, 2017 22:55:47 GMT
I sort of agree. The first step to treating someone differently is to single them out!! That said, this article did say they went in with bias assuming racism was at play, only to reveal....er, it wasn't. Got doubt their numbers too. They only counted 6 black/ethnic minorities?? Where did they stand and how long did they count for?? I accept the fan base is predominantly White though. Terribly sad that the PC brigade don't see a person but have to label everyone black or white, Christian or Muslim. Perhaps we should go the whole hog and provide a selection of badges for everyone to wear a nice LGBT or BAME or second class (for straight white non disabled men) or a star if David for Jewish people, you know just something inoffensive. With all the space at the new UWE we could even provide segregated areas for each minority. These PC types certainly believe in progress and ensuring racism and religious discrimination is kepr alive and kicking I see your point for sure the way I see it is we're all one race, Human.
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Post by se5gas on Jul 29, 2017 4:42:59 GMT
Pleased to see that this thread has triggered so much debate, even if some of the comments have been hard to make sense of. My favourite was one imploring us all to heed warnings from South Africa!
Interestingly the last thread I started on here was about an initiative to try and attract more disabled supporters to the mem and improve their experience. It didn't get people any where near as excited as this - there was just one reply.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 29, 2017 5:57:44 GMT
How many of support our local club because our dad (/other family) or friends do? There probably lies the answer..
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 29, 2017 6:03:17 GMT
Also worth mentioning that some cultures value other sports. Cricket being the most obvious.
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Post by blackthorngas on Jul 29, 2017 6:05:59 GMT
I've often thought that if you compare the ethnic mix on the pitch to that on the terraces it would be vastly disproportionate.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 29, 2017 7:28:00 GMT
I've often thought that if you compare the ethnic mix on the pitch to that on the terraces it would be vastly disproportionate. Sociology students would probably disagree.
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