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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 21:29:56 GMT
You have to buy food, you don't have to go to a football match..... Hard to believe how dense some people are isn't it. But I think butterfly was the one on the other forum trying to suggest some sort of discrimination in favour of Muslims. Strangely though he works with some he thinks like football but he won't even go out of his way to invite them along to Rovers. Do you work for the mail or the sun? its just that your making up stories now so it made me wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 21:37:44 GMT
I sort of agree. The first step to treating someone differently is to single them out!! That said, this article did say they went in with bias assuming racism was at play, only to reveal....er, it wasn't. Got doubt their numbers too. They only counted 6 black/ethnic minorities?? Where did they stand and how long did they count for?? I accept the fan base is predominantly White though. Terribly sad that the PC brigade don't see a person but have to label everyone black or white, Christian or Muslim. Perhaps we should go the whole hog and provide a selection of badges for everyone to wear a nice LGBT or BAME or second class (for straight white non disabled men) or a star if David for Jewish people, you know just something inoffensive. With all the space at the new UWE we could even provide segregated areas for each minority. These PC types certainly believe in progress and ensuring racism and religious discrimination is kepr alive and kicking Maybe the "pc types" are the ones that stopped monkey chants at football matches and "no black recruitment" policies practised by many employers,including a company i worked for as late as 1998! Nothing bad changes without people fighting against injustice so i say thank god for those "pc types" .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 21:43:37 GMT
linkGreat article looking at possible reasons why we don't get more fans with BAME backgrounds turning up at the Mem That is an interesting article but I don't like promotion of equals for the sake of it. Just because the % of a neighbourhood is X doesn't mean the library, swimming pool, crime rate, whatever is X%. Rather than speculation, why not ask these people?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 21:44:31 GMT
So is ours, it's down to Left leaning teachers only teaching a left leaning education, very sad that they put children through this, they can't read or write but they are told which party to vote for ! So your slurring the whole teaching profession based on something you heard from the daily mail and if not that what are basing your massive insult to teachers on?
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Post by pirate on Jul 29, 2017 22:11:16 GMT
So your slurring the whole teaching profession based on something you heard from the daily mail and if not that what are basing your massive insult to teachers on? Where have I slurred the whole teaching profession? The fact of the matter is standards are falling in this country, this could be due to a number of factors. The Programme for International Assessment (Pisa) league tables confirms British schools are falling behind leading countries in terms of performance. Many are being put into 'special measures'. The OECD's education director, Andreas Schleicher, describes the UK's results as “flat in a changing world”.
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Post by gaelgas on Jul 29, 2017 22:54:53 GMT
You have to buy food, you don't have to go to a football match..... Yes but rovers and probably most clubs are not attractive diversity to the club and there must be potential to increase revenue by doing such a thing in my view. 'are not attractive diversity' what does this mean? Have you ever considered that actually football is just less popular with people of a certain background not because they do not feel welcome but because it just isn't as popular. Why assume that people of other cultures are as interested in football or indeed sport in general as white British people are? If you go to a cricket game you would likely see no or very few Scots in attendance not because they feel unwelcome but because the vast majority of Scots just have absolutely no interest in Cricket, it's a cultural thing, they just don't like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 23:34:07 GMT
So your slurring the whole teaching profession based on something you heard from the daily mail and if not that what are basing your massive insult to teachers on? Where have I slurred the whole teaching profession? The fact of the matter is standards are falling in this country, this could be due to a number of factors. The Programme for International Assessment (Pisa) league tables confirms British schools are falling behind leading countries in terms of performance. Many are being put into 'special measures'. The OECD's education director, Andreas Schleicher, describes the UK's results as “flat in a changing world”. meant to reply to newmarketgas! must be the crap education i had! SORRY
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 23:38:42 GMT
Hi Nobby, long time no speak (I'm from the old, old OF) Hope you're well and the Germans are looking after you. I agree that the ideal situation would be to target people in general, but I feel that current society and cultural differences we have in the West make that difficult. At the moment there are movements in the US education system who are going backwards by segregating races and social genders. We don't need this stupid political ideology in football. If done carefully, I feel it's possible for the club to increase the fanbase without issues on matchday. So is ours, it's down to Left leaning teachers only teaching a left leaning education, very sad that they put children through this, they can't read or write but they are told which party to vote for ! What a load of utter rubbish,teachers go into to teaching to educate and are a mix of various political views and some are non political. What a pathetic slur on a whole profession and based on what?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 23:46:35 GMT
Yes but rovers and probably most clubs are not attractive diversity to the club and there must be potential to increase revenue by doing such a thing in my view. 'are not attractive diversity' what does this mean? Have you ever considered that actually football is just less popular with people of a certain background not because they do not feel welcome but because it just isn't as popular. Why assume that people of other cultures are as interested in football or indeed sport in general as white British people are? If you go to a cricket game you would likely see no or very few Scots in attendance not because they feel unwelcome but because the vast majority of Scots just have absolutely no interest in Cricket, it's a cultural thing, they just don't like it. Well in reply to your opening comment its me making a bloody mess of a sentence. Many africans and somalians do love there football i know that much from my work place over the last 10 years although i admit they prefer arsenal and chelsea than rovers/city. I just think there is untapped potential for the club to increase its fanbase or at least give it a good try.
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Post by newmarketgas on Jul 30, 2017 5:31:53 GMT
So is ours, it's down to Left leaning teachers only teaching a left leaning education, very sad that they put children through this, they can't read or write but they are told which party to vote for ! What a load of utter rubbish,teachers go into to teaching to educate and are a mix of various political views and some are non political. What a pathetic slur on a whole profession and based on what? Wow, just look at your self, you are a product of the Lefty system. You need to do some home work young man and learn about real life. Maybe you are reading the Gaurdian ? I had to edit, after I had a look at the rubbish you ranted at the 'wrong person' , Jeremy is not really THE jc.
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Post by se5gas on Jul 30, 2017 6:46:10 GMT
linkGreat article looking at possible reasons why we don't get more fans with BAME backgrounds turning up at the Mem That is an interesting article but I don't like promotion of equals for the sake of it. Just because the % of a neighbourhood is X doesn't mean the library, swimming pool, crime rate, whatever is X%. Rather than speculation, why not ask these people? I'm confused. Did we read the same article. In the one I read they did "ask these people" ? Not sure if you mean they should have asked more. If so then good idea and I imagine that is what they will do if they try and take this forward. Also good to see an ex player of ours Anwar Uddin involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 6:53:13 GMT
'are not attractive diversity' what does this mean? Have you ever considered that actually football is just less popular with people of a certain background not because they do not feel welcome but because it just isn't as popular. Why assume that people of other cultures are as interested in football or indeed sport in general as white British people are? If you go to a cricket game you would likely see no or very few Scots in attendance not because they feel unwelcome but because the vast majority of Scots just have absolutely no interest in Cricket, it's a cultural thing, they just don't like it. Well in reply to your opening comment its me making a bloody mess of a sentence. Many africans and somalians do love there football i know that much from my work place over the last 10 years although i admit they prefer arsenal and chelsea than rovers/city. I just think there is untapped potential for the club to increase its fanbase or at least give it a good try. Untapped potential.. So you've little interest in cultural diversity at all then really? Just trying to tick boxes and create revenue. Pretty much the same as all commercial ventures in the West. If a football club wants to reach out or alter is customers, there are a few things that might help. Form an alliance with a school and maybe offer something in return like coaching or equipment. Sign a player from X nation like Park Ji Sung or Neil Etheridge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 6:57:30 GMT
That is an interesting article but I don't like promotion of equals for the sake of it. Just because the % of a neighbourhood is X doesn't mean the library, swimming pool, crime rate, whatever is X%. Rather than speculation, why not ask these people? I'm confused. Did we read the same article. In the one I read they did "ask these people" ? Not sure if you mean they should have asked more. If so then good idea and I imagine that is what they will do if they try and take this forward. Also good to see an ex player of ours Anwar Uddin involved. Sorry mate, I've just had to skim the text to make sure I hadn't missed a page. They spoke to 2 people. I'm referring to the experts on here and their friends, family, work colleagues. I already know the answers btw.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 9:05:34 GMT
What a load of utter rubbish,teachers go into to teaching to educate and are a mix of various political views and some are non political. What a pathetic slur on a whole profession and based on what? Wow, just look at your self, you are a product of the Lefty system. You need to do some home work young man and learn about real life. Maybe you are reading the Gaurdian ? I had to edit, after I had a look at the rubbish you ranted at the 'wrong person' , Jeremy is not really THE jc. "gaurdian?" dont worry about newspapers there days are numbered thank god.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 9:11:16 GMT
Well in reply to your opening comment its me making a bloody mess of a sentence. Many africans and somalians do love there football i know that much from my work place over the last 10 years although i admit they prefer arsenal and chelsea than rovers/city. I just think there is untapped potential for the club to increase its fanbase or at least give it a good try. Untapped potential.. So you've little interest in cultural diversity at all then really? Just trying to tick boxes and create revenue. Pretty much the same as all commercial ventures in the West. If a football club wants to reach out or alter is customers, there are a few things that might help. Form an alliance with a school and maybe offer something in return like coaching or equipment. Sign a player from X nation like Park Ji Sung or Neil Etheridge. No im all for a more meaningful cultural diversity and i think the school alliance thing is exactly the type of thing rovers should be doing. I just think that to closed minds the commercial aspect of more diversity would make sense.
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Post by oviedista on Jul 30, 2017 9:25:20 GMT
Inevitably, this is fast escalating out of football chat. It's a shame these ideas are so misunderstood and felt as threatening. As the article says the football club provides a sense of community and place that is rare theses days. Where we live in diverse communities it's a pity for both the club and the community if people are missing out on that experience. We are a society made up of difference (disabilities/ gender/race/ religion etc) and a healthy society has spaces that everyone shares and mixes. So if certain groups aren't using those spaces it's worth asking why for no other reason than to make things better (not chastise anyone). Before talking about PC brigades ask yourself what's so wrong with that?
I have a friend up North who takes 50 + young Asian kids to Bradford City every home game in his own time. It's about encouraging that community to value those places. They are now a welcome and familiar sight and have become supporters in their own right. Again, if you complain about people not integrating why would you have a problem with that?
A great thing about supporting a real local football club is the connection it gives you to the place you are from or live in. I grew up in central Bristol and while I've always got this sense from supporting Rovers, the more mixed the crowd the more it feels like home.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 9:39:55 GMT
Inevitably, this is fast escalating out of football chat. It's a shame these ideas are so misunderstood and felt as threatening. As the article says the football club provides a sense of community and place that is rare theses days. Where we live in diverse communities it's a pity for both the club and the community if people are missing out on that experience. We are a society made up of difference (disabilities/ gender/race/ religion etc) and a healthy society has spaces that everyone shares and mixes. So if certain groups aren't using those spaces it's worth asking why for no other reason than to make things better (not chastise anyone). Before talking about PC brigades ask yourself what's so wrong with that? I have a friend up North who takes 50 + young Asian kids to Bradford City every home game in his own time. It's about encouraging that community to value those places. They are now a welcome and familiar sight and have become supporters in their own right. Again, if you complain about people not integrating why would you have a problem with that? A great thing about supporting a real local football club is the connection it gives you to the place you are from or live in. I grew up in central Bristol and while I've always got this sense from supporting Rovers, the more mixed the crowd the more it feels like home. He'd need to take 5000 young Asian kids to represent the community though right?
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 30, 2017 9:42:14 GMT
Just a long shot, maybe youngster do not come along to rovers matches because parents cannot generally afford it, or more likely they have better things to be doing, like being with their mates, social media, etc... Has anybody invited other ethnic groups along to rover matches ? maybe something more to be done by the rovers in the community department. Thank **** for the over 55s, without them the ground would be empty. utg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 9:46:12 GMT
Why don't we see an accurate % of people at the ice skating rink in millennium square? Or at the balloon fiesta? Or at Bath Racecourse?
Why not leave people alone?
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Jul 30, 2017 9:50:09 GMT
I just don't get the issue with noticing that there aren't many BAME people who attend our games and trying to find out why.
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