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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 10:28:14 GMT
Yes, I also struggle to comprehend this, but it is what he said. He also explained the issue with running out of Pasties and Kits: He reckons that there are people who know the pasty will be discounted to £1 at the end of the game, so make their purchase decision then. He also said the all football clubs do the same and they aim to be sold out at Christmas. He said that if the club over ordered, there would be people waiting for them to be discounted, rather than pay the full price. In all honesty, I came away thinking two things: 1) This is a negative way of looking at things. 2) Do we really have fans that take advantage of the club like that? For me, I still have the instant gratification requirements of a 14yr old, so buy a pasty when I want a pasty and a shirt when I want a shirt. Can think of a worse thing to do than wait until there were discounted. The club hasn't sold pasties for a £1 for most of this season so that still can't be the excuse for running out now? Although not sure anybody would plan to buy a pasty 2 hours plus after they arrive at the ground. Shirts wise given DC is renowned for having a good end to the season if's fool hardy to plan to run out by December. Turnaround time for new shirt orders is 120 days, I guess that shirt sales depend on how well we are doing - so our usual Jan/Feb upsurge in form does not allow enough time to get more shirts in stock. I guess there must be a minimum order threshold as well, so the club could be left with lots of unsold shirts at the end of the season - it's a fine line.
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Post by spoony on Feb 16, 2018 10:37:57 GMT
To me it doesn't stack up sorry, if he's saying theres more people than tickets sold then what proof is there, and if he's right why don't they spot check tickets to confirm it ,or a spot check on the inside the ground by the turnstiles randomly sounds as surely that would highlight where the issues if any are, it all sounds like a smoke screen to me. As for the 1883 thing ,it's another step isolating the club from those who have stood loyal all these years ,to me it seems to be the beginning of the club changing from what we know and love to just another club prostituting itself out to the highest bidder Yes, I also struggle to comprehend this, but it is what he said. He also explained the issue with running out of Pasties and Kits: He reckons that there are people who know the pasty will be discounted to £1 at the end of the game, so make their purchase decision then. He also said the all football clubs do the same and they aim to be sold out at Christmas. He said that if the club over ordered, there would be people waiting for them to be discounted, rather than pay the full price. In all honesty, I came away thinking two things: 1) This is a negative way of looking at things. 2) Do we really have fans that take advantage of the club like that? For me, I still have the instant gratification requirements of a 14yr old, so buy a pasty when I want a pasty and a shirt when I want a shirt. Can think of a worse thing to do than wait until there were discounted. Remember at the beginning of the season where the club had to come out and say that tickets had to be ripped from season books in front of staff as people were claiming that they hadn't turned up and getting a free season ticket as all the club could do was trust them? Every club has pricks that truly to abuse the system. Bristol Rovers is no different. I wouldn't be surprised if there are hundreds of people every game, in there for free (not just being given a ticket for the game). If the same thing happens with electric cards, they can cancel the original and reissue. One thing both Tom and Kerry said to me is that there are hundreds of access points to a stadium on match day. A broken fence here (check out the garden fences behind the west stand next time, it's crazy how easy that would be), a steward turning a blind eye to someone without a ticket (they could do that just 3 times a season and noone would know yet that's money).
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Post by knowall on Feb 16, 2018 13:21:48 GMT
Ah Severncider! He whose aim in life is to cause trouble - am I right? gashead1981 says 'I was told' as if this was directly attributed to the 'Commercial side' (his words) which I would query and look forward to an answer, although I am sure will not be forthcoming! As for me - I think you know full well who I am - as do many on this forum - but being of shy disposition prefer to claim anonymity so as not to disappoint my many fans. After all, I am not asking you or gashead1981 to reveal who you are, but just to reveal the source of the disputable information which is quoted as fact - which I find difficult to believe. And let's face it - you don't believe either! Of course, the passage of time will reveal the truth and we all look forward to that. Hey MR Knowall. Never mind calling out other users and demanding to know what they know and who told them, and the various inns and outs of a cats arse. On another thread you claimed to KNOW what Al Quadi senior and the elder brother think about Rovers. You also claimed to KNOW what Wael intends to do , etc etc. It's all on Henbury's recent thread, so don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. MYself and others have asked you to list precisely what you know, and, to quote the football song, ,It's all gone quiet over there"! Perhaps it would be good to practice what you preach. You've been called out, my son! Hello oldgas Firstly, I don't think I am your son, although you might be one of mine? (going by age) I always enjoy the posts by Henbury but cannot find the one you refer to, however, to clarify if I quote anyone it is what they have told me personally. And that is why I challenge 'I was told by someone' when it is quoted as fact. All I ask is that the ' someone' is identified. If that person is identified then what was said becomes legitimate. (or at least attributive) What sparked this particular part of the thread was the poster said he was told that 'the Commercial side think the shirt sponsorship is worth £150k' - I simply enquired WHO said this so that it becomes a legitimate fact not 'fake news' to quote a modernism.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 16, 2018 16:26:35 GMT
Hi Dad, how's Mum. What's for tea?
The thread to which I refer was started by my old mate Henbury Gas at 7.45am on Feb 12. It's titled "On the edge of greatness" - There is no question mark so I assume it is a statement.
You have contributed to this thread, in fact the post to which I refer was posted by you at 12.08 on Feb 12.
It was commented on by Sallycinnamon so your post and her comment on it appears as post 14 on page 5.
I re-posted her post immediately below, and I asked you to please be specific about your claims to know what the owners plans were, and to state the provenance of your statement.
I really am getting a bit worried about your memory Dad, only last week you put the milk in the dishwasher and the dirty cutlery in the fridge.
Perhaps we ought to get you down to the doctors for some tests.
Lots of love.
Your Son.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 16, 2018 16:27:36 GMT
Hi Dad, how's Mum. What's for tea?
The thread to which I refer was started by my old mate Henbury Gas at 7.45am on Feb 12. It's titled "On the edge of greatness" - There is no question mark so I assume it is a statement.
You have contributed to this thread, in fact the post to which I refer was posted by you at 12.08 on Feb 12.
It was commented on by Sallycinnamon so your post and her comment on it appears as post 14 on page 5.
I re-posted her post immediately below, and I asked you to please be specific about your claims to know what the owners plans were, and to state the provenance of your statement.
I really am getting a bit worried about your memory Dad, only last week you put the milk in the dishwasher and the dirty cutlery in the fridge.
Perhaps we ought to get you down to the doctors for some tests.
Lots of love.
Your Son.
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Post by spiess1 on Feb 16, 2018 16:34:03 GMT
You did't remember posting the first one, then. Like father, like son.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 16, 2018 16:55:33 GMT
No, I posted it twice in case he forgot the first one.
You can never be too careful.
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Post by knowall on Feb 16, 2018 17:21:44 GMT
Hi Dad, how's Mum. What's for tea? The thread to which I refer was started by my old mate Henbury Gas at 7.45am on Feb 12. It's titled "On the edge of greatness" - There is no question mark so I assume it is a statement. You have contributed to this thread, in fact the post to which I refer was posted by you at 12.08 on Feb 12. It was commented on by Sallycinnamon so your post and her comment on it appears as post 14 on page 5. I re-posted her post immediately below, and I asked you to please be specific about your claims to know what the owners plans were, and to state the provenance of your statement. I really am getting a bit worried about your memory Dad, only last week you put the milk in the dishwasher and the dirty cutlery in the fridge. Perhaps we ought to get you down to the doctors for some tests. Lots of love. Your Son. So here is a copy of the post to which you refer BUT I am not sure what you refer to as a 'claim to know what the owners' plans are'? "However, you obviously have not met Wael's parents and brother (Wael's dad is President of Bristol Rovers President's Club) and listened to their views?
Neither have you personally discussed with Wael how he sees the future.
Have you considered why DC is still here and working his magic?
Why an up and coming Finance Director has been attracted to the Club?
What Steve Hamer and Steve Brookfield are actually doing?
Why are the Development Squad under Chris Hargreaves progressing?
What is happening with the Academy?
Yes - all of these buy into the vision of our owners
As for our owners understanding of football - Wael has a background which you should study with care - and then you might understand why he uses evolution as a driver you might be educated. "
I have spoken to Wael about how he sees the future and the other members of the Board and the extract to which you refer (above) posed the question/suggestion that Sallycinnamon does the same and considers a number of points - which I suggest dear son you do similar If you do then you SHOULD get a positive view of the future and conclude that others buy into the vision of evolution which was my point.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 16, 2018 18:36:39 GMT
What if we think is vision of evolution is just a load of nonsense to cover up for the fact he doesn't have the finance to either develop the Mem nor The Colony?
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Post by oldgas on Feb 16, 2018 21:29:09 GMT
You have studiously avoided the very simple questions I posed. At the risk of sounding repetitive I will pose them again.
What views did Wael's parents express
How does Wael see the future, don't just say evolution because that's just a cop-out, anyone could say that's his plan. Surely, having personally discussed the subject with him you can be more specific
DC staying at the club for whatever reason is purely subjective, unless you've heard something objective
Do you know, as in have you been told why an up and coming Finance Director has been attracted to the club. Again, if you've been told the reason by someone who knows, why not tell us instead of dropping non-specific hints
What exactly are Hamer and Brookfield actually doing? I don't know, and if you do please tell
I don't know the specifics of the development squad or the academy. Again, if you have been told,something specific, why not share.
There, a list of objective questions, just like I asked in Henbury's thread. If you don't want to give specific answers then please just say. No-one will be offended.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 16, 2018 23:27:56 GMT
You have studiously avoided the very simple questions I posed. At the risk of sounding repetitive I will pose them again. What views did Wael's parents express How does Wael see the future, don't just say evolution because that's just a cop-out, anyone could say that's his plan. Surely, having personally discussed the subject with him you can be more specific DC staying at the club for whatever reason is purely subjective, unless you've heard something objective Do you know, as in have you been told why an up and coming Finance Director has been attracted to the club. Again, if you've been told the reason by someone who knows, why not tell us instead of dropping non-specific hints What exactly are Hamer and Brookfield actually doing? I don't know, and if you do please tell I don't know the specifics of the development squad or the academy. Again, if you have been told,something specific, why not share. There, a list of objective questions, just like I asked in Henbury's thread. If you don't want to give specific answers then please just say. No-one will be offended. Old gas, Knowall knows nothing, don’t get sucked in. He will eloquently skirt around all questions. He was so close to the last directors, that he was a close advisor to the boardroom making suggestions left right and centre. That goes contrary to how the last board operates. Apparently only 2 of the directors were paid and the rest are still waiting for their money. And yet when I asked one of the directors personally, BB, whether he had been paid in full, he said that he was paid when the deal with the ALQs went through. According to Knowall we should keep absolutely faith in the ALQs as apparently we will all be surprised at the ALQs grand plan. I knew some weeks before it was announced by hamer on the radio that we were no longer getting a CAT 2 academy but a couple of training pitches and a clubhouse, and yet I was batted down by Mr Knowall himself stating we should keep the faith at the grand masters plan. And low and behold, we are getting a couple of training pitches and a clubhouse. It comes as no surprise that 6 weeks after the ALQs appoint project managers to architect and plan the site we still have heard nothing...I was only asking yesterday about the plans and was told there is no plans so far...?? Now apparently I’m overly negative according to Knowall, but I like to work on a thing called evidence, verses what I am told. Now one person is telling me, there is no plans so far and we are getting a shrunken down version of a training pitch, so far so accurate. Knowall says prepare for the bright lights of our saviours and brace ourselves for the ride of evolution, and yet, we have nothing. In footballing terms Knowall is 2-0 down and has just had a man sent off, it’s also a rainy night and blowing a gale and he’s playing into the wind. You get my point.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 17, 2018 8:10:17 GMT
Oh I get your point 1981. However I don't think Know f all has eloquently skirted around anything. He posted that pile of poo on Henbury's thread and no-one took him up on it. I did and he ignored it.
Suddenly he posted on this thread and when I reminded him of my original questions he pretended not to remember what I was talking about.
When I reminded him chapter and verse he came up with exactly the same airy-fairy bollocks. He has been exposed as a charlatan and blown his credibility.
Don't even get nicked Knowall, you'll fold under questioning. (A quote by Tommy deVito, Goodfellas)
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Post by gasstrictband on Feb 17, 2018 8:30:16 GMT
Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning. Quote Erwin Rommel.
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Post by garystash on Feb 17, 2018 9:06:28 GMT
You have studiously avoided the very simple questions I posed. At the risk of sounding repetitive I will pose them again. What views did Wael's parents express How does Wael see the future, don't just say evolution because that's just a cop-out, anyone could say that's his plan. Surely, having personally discussed the subject with him you can be more specific DC staying at the club for whatever reason is purely subjective, unless you've heard something objective Do you know, as in have you been told why an up and coming Finance Director has been attracted to the club. Again, if you've been told the reason by someone who knows, why not tell us instead of dropping non-specific hints What exactly are Hamer and Brookfield actually doing? I don't know, and if you do please tell I don't know the specifics of the development squad or the academy. Again, if you have been told,something specific, why not share. There, a list of objective questions, just like I asked in Henbury's thread. If you don't want to give specific answers then please just say. No-one will be offended. Old gas, Knowall knows nothing, don’t get sucked in. He will eloquently skirt around all questions. He was so close to the last directors, that he was a close advisor to the boardroom making suggestions left right and centre. That goes contrary to how the last board operates. Apparently only 2 of the directors were paid and the rest are still waiting for their money. And yet when I asked one of the directors personally, BB, whether he had been paid in full, he said that he was paid when the deal with the ALQs went through. According to Knowall we should keep absolutely faith in the ALQs as apparently we will all be surprised at the ALQs grand plan. I knew some weeks before it was announced by hamer on the radio that we were no longer getting a CAT 2 academy but a couple of training pitches and a clubhouse, and yet I was batted down by Mr Knowall himself stating we should keep the faith at the grand masters plan. And low and behold, we are getting a couple of training pitches and a clubhouse. It comes as no surprise that 6 weeks after the ALQs appoint project managers to architect and plan the site we still have heard nothing...I was only asking yesterday about the plans and was told there is no plans so far...?? Now apparently I’m overly negative according to Knowall, but I like to work on a thing called evidence, verses what I am told. Now one person is telling me, there is no plans so far and we are getting a shrunken down version of a training pitch, so far so accurate. Knowall says prepare for the bright lights of our saviours and brace ourselves for the ride of evolution, and yet, we have nothing. In footballing terms Knowall is 2-0 down and has just had a man sent off, it’s also a rainy night and blowing a gale and he’s playing into the wind. You get my point. If there are no plans, how does this person you have spoken to know what we are getting? And furthermore, how do you deduce that a "shrunken down version of a training pitch" is an accurate summation?
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2018 13:13:02 GMT
From someone who sits with the chairman and owners at most games I would say it’s as close as you are going to get.
Well it was announced originally that we intended to build a Cat 2/3 academy. Hamer in his interview with 20man said we aren’t because of the cost. But we will get 4 pitches and a clubhouse as a base.
Listen to the interview and read the press releases for yourself. There is no covert information in it.
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Post by garystash on Feb 17, 2018 13:43:19 GMT
From someone who sits with the chairman and owners at most games I would say it’s as close as you are going to get. Well it was announced originally that we intended to build a Cat 2/3 academy. Hamer in his interview with 20man said we aren’t because of the cost. But we will get 4 pitches and a clubhouse as a base. Listen to the interview and read the press releases for yourself. There is no covert information in it. Well fair enough, but you choose to take the negative stance. When you're sat with the owners at a game, I'm sure they don't describe the training ground plans in the same way you have here.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2018 13:59:09 GMT
That’s the reality though isn’t it...?? BRFC don’t own the land the training ground will be on and it’s hardly going to be a state of the art complex or anything near to what something like Fleetwood have for example. Especially when you have City, Cardiff and Southampton not far away, we needed something of similar quality.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 17, 2018 14:01:46 GMT
I think it's fair to say that we have been allowed to dream at best and at worst we have been lied to regarding our expectations on the training ground.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2018 14:41:17 GMT
I think it's fair to say that we have been allowed to dream at best and at worst we have been lied to regarding our expectations on the training ground. You sense everything changed once Hani appeared on the scene, whether Wael was just living in a dream world before he arrived, or the UWE talks failing caused him to rein in the plans we'll probably never know. As we've gone from a state of the art training ground and a world class stadium to no real signs of anything happening any time soon, if ever under the ALQ's ownership. I guess the dreamers will keep dreaming though.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 17, 2018 14:44:26 GMT
I think it's fair to say that we have been allowed to dream at best and at worst we have been lied to regarding our expectations on the training ground. You sense everything changed once Hani appeared on the scene, whether Wael was just living in a dream world before he arrived, or the UWE talks failing caused him to rein in the plans we'll probably never know. As we've gone from a state of the art training ground and a world class stadium to no real signs of anything happening any time soon, if ever under the ALQ's ownership. I guess the dreamers will keep dreaming though. Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a Dam burden?
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