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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 20:05:01 GMT
I would have said the same after the win against Rochdale, but it wasn't being discussed then- this has all cropped up from Henbury gas pulling our tails (as usual). Whatever happens on the pitch questions will always remain about what is going to happen to the club when debt exceeds equity. Even the most rose tinted fan must be dreading that day because we will be relying on charity from an investment banker who doesn't like football. That is not a place that any club wants to find itself! As I said, predictable. You were quiet after Rochdale, bam we lose and you're like a rash that won't go away. You must be getting me confused with someone else buddy, I posted to say that I hoped we made the play offs but couldn't see us winning enough games for that to happen. Today has done nothing to prove me wrong either, unfortunately.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 17, 2018 20:07:48 GMT
As I said, predictable. You were quiet after Rochdale, bam we lose and you're like a rash that won't go away. You must be getting me confused with someone else buddy, I posted to say that I hoped we made the play offs but couldn't see us winning enough games for that to happen. Today has done nothing to prove me wrong either, unfortunately. Of course, wink wink.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 20:10:57 GMT
You must be getting me confused with someone else buddy, I posted to say that I hoped we made the play offs but couldn't see us winning enough games for that to happen. Today has done nothing to prove me wrong either, unfortunately. Of course, wink wink. Nice try
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 17, 2018 20:12:36 GMT
Nice try Thank you. #sussed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 20:23:15 GMT
Nice try Thank you. #sussed #facepalm
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 17, 2018 20:31:40 GMT
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Post by LJG on Feb 17, 2018 20:41:35 GMT
No and neither have you so you don't know any better than anyone else. But Higgs managed it. NH sold it with £6m+ of debts the ALQ's for somehow managed to double that, plus they were clearly a bit gullible as SH admitted recently they now realise football is more expensive they they assumed when they bought the club. My mate bought a new motorbike. The engine's really loud it goes "Wum wum WUM".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 22:48:36 GMT
Advocating violence? Stay classy princess
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 17, 2018 23:09:22 GMT
That’s the reality though isn’t it...?? BRFC don’t own the land the training ground will be on and it’s hardly going to be a state of the art complex or anything near to what something like Fleetwood have for example. Especially when you have City, Cardiff and Southampton not far away, we needed something of similar quality. Well, as you've pointed out, there are no plans - so we don't know what it will or will not be. I think we can safely assume from the Hamer intetview that it won't have £10M spent on it. However, Dwane Sports have bought just shy of 30 acres of land. Whilst it may not initially be "state of the art", it certainly has the potential to be. As a businessman, would you not agree that building things slowly, as and when your means allow, is more sensible and sustainable than throwing all your resources at something you don't currently need? I do agree with your statement, but you also have to look at your current tools which are fit for purpose which could potentially suffocate your business or make it a complete success. I’m all for thorough planning etc etc, but you also have to look at time scales going forward on which things will be achieved. For example the stadium regen. If the Mem is the choose path, which it seems to be, then why not crack on and get it drawn and into planning. Permissions and potential JRs along with resident protests will take 12-18 months to overcome. Then put it to tender for contractors and order of materials and you are talking 2-2/12 years and then a potential 18 month build. When you lay it out like that it puts us at a reality of being in the delapifated Mem for the next 4-5 years. And that’s if we started now. But there seems to be nothing moving to start even stage 1 meaning that we are looking at potentially 5-6 years if we wait until this time next year. So where do you think BRFC will actually be in 3-4 years time if we haven’t even started taking a hammer to a stand to redevelop it. Even if the board gave an outline plan going forward of what they want to achieve and when it would give an indication to their dedication to the cause. As a businessman for each of my businesses I have a target of not just financial projection but premesis, equipment, staff levels and expansion. And year on year I invest more and more in each side of the business to grow it. The disadvantage I have is I don’t have access to instant cash capital Which is what holds back most businesses so they end up selling shares for investment or borrowing heavily. I have had to do the latter on 2 occasions. Now apparently finances aren’t a problem for the ALQs. So if investment isn’t needed, capital isn’t an issue (so Wael says) or borrowing heavily isn’t required, what else is the delay? No one at the club has laid down any forward going plans. So things just really don’t make sense. That’s not negative. That’s plain logic based on evidence.
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Post by garystash on Feb 18, 2018 8:07:01 GMT
I do feel the same frustration as you with regard to the apparent lack of plans and action gashead1981. My opinion is that the Al-Qadis have the finance, but consider carefully where to invest it. They may well be able to move money from other investments into Dwane Sports, but if those other investments are doing rather well the appetite to do so will probably be low. I am also of the opinion that if we can hold onto DC, we will be seeing championship football at the Mem in the next 3 years. I think only when this happens will we see some real movement on the stadium regeneration. My reasoning is that when under questioning about timescales Wael asked his interviewer to tell him when we needed an all seater - before we're in the championship or when we are actually there? Whilst it would be amazing for a sugar daddy to appear, build us a new stadium and state of the art training ground, and ask for nothing in return - the reality is this isn't going to happen. We have what we have and we can choose to celebrate the good work that is going on, or complain about the things that aren't. Neither stance will make anything happen any faster, but doing the latter will nurture bad feeling and resentment amongst the fans that could proliferate through the club and ultimately be very damaging.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 18, 2018 9:02:08 GMT
I do feel the same frustration as you with regard to the apparent lack of plans and action gashead1981. My opinion is that the Al-Qadis have the finance, but consider carefully where to invest it. They may well be able to move money from other investments into Dwane Sports, but if those other investments are doing rather well the appetite to do so will probably be low. I am also of the opinion that if we can hold onto DC, we will be seeing championship football at the Mem in the next 3 years. I think only when this happens will we see some real movement on the stadium regeneration. My reasoning is that when under questioning about timescales Wael asked his interviewer to tell him when we needed an all seater - before we're in the championship or when we are actually there? Whilst it would be amazing for a sugar daddy to appear, build us a new stadium and state of the art training ground, and ask for nothing in return - the reality is this isn't going to happen. We have what we have and we can choose to celebrate the good work that is going on, or complain about the things that aren't. Neither stance will make anything happen any faster, but doing the latter will nurture bad feeling and resentment amongst the fans that could proliferate through the club and ultimately be very damaging. I agree with most of what you say, but Wael has been here now long enough to asses the club, work out what it needs and move forward. Personally I think Hani, who is the real money man, underestimated the running costs and also how much things cost to build and develop in this country. And because of that, the plans have been turned on its head. RE the stadium, Waels comment about when you need it annoyed me somewhat. You need decent facilities in L1 and can maximise your income at that level as well as when you go up a league. It would be foolish to think we could get to the championship and maintain that status with the Mem as it is. Look at Scunthorpe continually bouncing between the 2 leagues. If you get to the championship now you need to draw 15-25k a week into a stadium. 40% of the teams there are ex premier league teams who have huge followings. If you go up, you need to maximise what you can draw. Trying to grow whilst being there is far more difficult to do than having the facility ready to go. We are averaging 9k gates now, imagine if we were playing Leeds, Wolves, Villa and then derby games against City. You really think we could maximise our stay in the championship playing at the Mem? It would be lunacy to even think we could. So having the stadium to get there is the absolute obvious thing to have. I can’t believe Wael would even think it was possible the other way around. Purely from a commercial perspective. Our club has the best opportunity in years to move forward with the playing management team and I just feel that off the field Little is being done to really maximise it especially when the UWE was our best chance in years to really have something to be proud of. The fact there is no plans to replace that project going forward in the immeafiate short term (3-5 years) is what makes it so frustrating and disappointing.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 18, 2018 9:26:48 GMT
I do feel the same frustration as you with regard to the apparent lack of plans and action gashead1981. My opinion is that the Al-Qadis have the finance, but consider carefully where to invest it. They may well be able to move money from other investments into Dwane Sports, but if those other investments are doing rather well the appetite to do so will probably be low. I am also of the opinion that if we can hold onto DC, we will be seeing championship football at the Mem in the next 3 years. I think only when this happens will we see some real movement on the stadium regeneration. My reasoning is that when under questioning about timescales Wael asked his interviewer to tell him when we needed an all seater - before we're in the championship or when we are actually there? Whilst it would be amazing for a sugar daddy to appear, build us a new stadium and state of the art training ground, and ask for nothing in return - the reality is this isn't going to happen. We have what we have and we can choose to celebrate the good work that is going on, or complain about the things that aren't. Neither stance will make anything happen any faster, but doing the latter will nurture bad feeling and resentment amongst the fans that could proliferate through the club and ultimately be very damaging. I agree with most of what you say, but Wael has been here now long enough to asses the club, work out what it needs and move forward. Personally I think Hani, who is the real money man, underestimated the running costs and also how much things cost to build and develop in this country. And because of that, the plans have been turned on its head. RE the stadium, Waels comment about when you need it annoyed me somewhat. You need decent facilities in L1 and can maximise your income at that level as well as when you go up a league. It would be foolish to think we could get to the championship and maintain that status with the Mem as it is. Look at Scunthorpe continually bouncing between the 2 leagues. If you get to the championship now you need to draw 15-25k a week into a stadium. 40% of the teams there are ex premier league teams who have huge followings. If you go up, you need to maximise what you can draw. Trying to grow whilst being there is far more difficult to do than having the facility ready to go. We are averaging 9k gates now, imagine if we were playing Leeds, Wolves, Villa and then derby games against City. You really think we could maximise our stay in the championship playing at the Mem? It would be lunacy to even think we could. So having the stadium to get there is the absolute obvious thing to have. I can’t believe Wael would even think it was possible the other way around. Purely from a commercial perspective. Our club has the best opportunity in years to move forward with the playing management team and I just feel that off the field Little is being done to really maximise it especially when the UWE was our best chance in years to really have something to be proud of. The fact there is no plans to replace that project going forward in the immeafiate short term (3-5 years) is what makes it so frustrating and disappointing. UWE may well have been a nice stadium to be proud of, but we have no evidence one way or another if it would have been a good deal or not for the club
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 18, 2018 10:43:57 GMT
I agree with most of what you say, but Wael has been here now long enough to asses the club, work out what it needs and move forward. Personally I think Hani, who is the real money man, underestimated the running costs and also how much things cost to build and develop in this country. And because of that, the plans have been turned on its head. RE the stadium, Waels comment about when you need it annoyed me somewhat. You need decent facilities in L1 and can maximise your income at that level as well as when you go up a league. It would be foolish to think we could get to the championship and maintain that status with the Mem as it is. Look at Scunthorpe continually bouncing between the 2 leagues. If you get to the championship now you need to draw 15-25k a week into a stadium. 40% of the teams there are ex premier league teams who have huge followings. If you go up, you need to maximise what you can draw. Trying to grow whilst being there is far more difficult to do than having the facility ready to go. We are averaging 9k gates now, imagine if we were playing Leeds, Wolves, Villa and then derby games against City. You really think we could maximise our stay in the championship playing at the Mem? It would be lunacy to even think we could. So having the stadium to get there is the absolute obvious thing to have. I can’t believe Wael would even think it was possible the other way around. Purely from a commercial perspective. Our club has the best opportunity in years to move forward with the playing management team and I just feel that off the field Little is being done to really maximise it especially when the UWE was our best chance in years to really have something to be proud of. The fact there is no plans to replace that project going forward in the immeafiate short term (3-5 years) is what makes it so frustrating and disappointing. UWE may well have been a nice stadium to be proud of, but we have no evidence one way or another if it would have been a good deal or not for the club There is no reasons given why it would’ve been a bad one either.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 18, 2018 11:46:17 GMT
UWE may well have been a nice stadium to be proud of, but we have no evidence one way or another if it would have been a good deal or not for the club There is no reasons given why it would’ve been a bad one either. Which is why i said one way or another
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Post by albaron on Feb 18, 2018 12:02:45 GMT
But we all know the Mem is not a good deal for the club
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 18, 2018 23:08:31 GMT
But we all know the Mem is not a good deal for the club Well it could be...which just don’t have any plans to see if it is. In its current state it isn’t.
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Post by knowall on Feb 19, 2018 11:20:45 GMT
You have studiously avoided the very simple questions I posed. At the risk of sounding repetitive I will pose them again. What views did Wael's parents express How does Wael see the future, don't just say evolution because that's just a cop-out, anyone could say that's his plan. Surely, having personally discussed the subject with him you can be more specific DC staying at the club for whatever reason is purely subjective, unless you've heard something objective Do you know, as in have you been told why an up and coming Finance Director has been attracted to the club. Again, if you've been told the reason by someone who knows, why not tell us instead of dropping non-specific hints What exactly are Hamer and Brookfield actually doing? I don't know, and if you do please tell I don't know the specifics of the development squad or the academy. Again, if you have been told,something specific, why not share. There, a list of objective questions, just like I asked in Henbury's thread. If you don't want to give specific answers then please just say. No-one will be offended. Old gas, Knowall knows nothing, don’t get sucked in. He will eloquently skirt around all questions. He was so close to the last directors, that he was a close advisor to the boardroom making suggestions left right and centre. That goes contrary to how the last board operates. Apparently only 2 of the directors were paid and the rest are still waiting for their money. And yet when I asked one of the directors personally, BB, whether he had been paid in full, he said that he was paid when the deal with the ALQs went through. According to Knowall we should keep absolutely faith in the ALQs as apparently we will all be surprised at the ALQs grand plan. I knew some weeks before it was announced by hamer on the radio that we were no longer getting a CAT 2 academy but a couple of training pitches and a clubhouse, and yet I was batted down by Mr Knowall himself stating we should keep the faith at the grand masters plan. And low and behold, we are getting a couple of training pitches and a clubhouse. It comes as no surprise that 6 weeks after the ALQs appoint project managers to architect and plan the site we still have heard nothing...I was only asking yesterday about the plans and was told there is no plans so far...?? Now apparently I’m overly negative according to Knowall, but I like to work on a thing called evidence, verses what I am told. Now one person is telling me, there is no plans so far and we are getting a shrunken down version of a training pitch, so far so accurate. Knowall says prepare for the bright lights of our saviours and brace ourselves for the ride of evolution, and yet, we have nothing. In footballing terms Knowall is 2-0 down and has just had a man sent off, it’s also a rainy night and blowing a gale and he’s playing into the wind. You get my point. Well, what a surprise - just got back into the country to find you have been having another go at me gashead1981 I don't mind but please get your facts right - if you read through the threads 'BRFC Accounts 2015/6'' and 'Finances' you will see that It was I who said the Directors and some Preference shareholders had been repaid on takeover arguing with Severncider who was adamant his 'friend' NH had told him they had not. Threads in April and May 2017. (The reason for my certainty was because my good friend Geoff Dunford was there and it was he who told me). Incidentally - did you have a different avatar name then because you don't appear anywhere about that time??' As for my support for the Al-Qadi family and the Board - today's interview with Wael on the Rovers website is exactly what he told me in a private interview a while ago - and I accept there is no specific detail but that does not detract from the validity of what he is saying although you and my new found son 'oldgas' will no doubt disagree? I happen to believe Wael (and Steve Hamer too) but only time will tell which one of you and I is right - Wael has confirmed to me several times that he is here for the long term - I am as certain as anyone can be that he is telling the truth. I would suggest we leave this particular spat now as it is rather boring - and let time be the judge as it surely will be.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 19, 2018 11:37:32 GMT
Old gas, Knowall knows nothing, don’t get sucked in. He will eloquently skirt around all questions. He was so close to the last directors, that he was a close advisor to the boardroom making suggestions left right and centre. That goes contrary to how the last board operates. Apparently only 2 of the directors were paid and the rest are still waiting for their money. And yet when I asked one of the directors personally, BB, whether he had been paid in full, he said that he was paid when the deal with the ALQs went through. According to Knowall we should keep absolutely faith in the ALQs as apparently we will all be surprised at the ALQs grand plan. I knew some weeks before it was announced by hamer on the radio that we were no longer getting a CAT 2 academy but a couple of training pitches and a clubhouse, and yet I was batted down by Mr Knowall himself stating we should keep the faith at the grand masters plan. And low and behold, we are getting a couple of training pitches and a clubhouse. It comes as no surprise that 6 weeks after the ALQs appoint project managers to architect and plan the site we still have heard nothing...I was only asking yesterday about the plans and was told there is no plans so far...?? Now apparently I’m overly negative according to Knowall, but I like to work on a thing called evidence, verses what I am told. Now one person is telling me, there is no plans so far and we are getting a shrunken down version of a training pitch, so far so accurate. Knowall says prepare for the bright lights of our saviours and brace ourselves for the ride of evolution, and yet, we have nothing. In footballing terms Knowall is 2-0 down and has just had a man sent off, it’s also a rainy night and blowing a gale and he’s playing into the wind. You get my point. Well, what a surprise - just got back into the country to find you have been having another go at me gashead1981 I don't mind but please get your facts right - if you read through the threads 'BRFC Accounts 2015/6'' and 'Finances' you will see that It was I who said the Directors and some Preference shareholders had been repaid on takeover arguing with Severncider who was adamant his 'friend' NH had told him they had not. Threads in April and May 2017. (The reason for my certainty was because my good friend Geoff Dunford was there and it was he who told me). Incidentally - did you have a different avatar name then because you don't appear anywhere about that time??' As for my support for the Al-Qadi family and the Board - today's interview with Wael on the Rovers website is exactly what he told me in a private interview a while ago - and I accept there is no specific detail but that does not detract from the validity of what he is saying although you and my new found son 'oldgas' will no doubt disagree? I happen to believe Wael (and Steve Hamer too) but only time will tell which one of you and I is right - Wael has confirmed to me several times that he is here for the long term - I am as certain as anyone can be that he is telling the truth. I would suggest we leave this particular spat now as it is rather boring - and let time be the judge as it surely will be. Oh bloody hell. That was a good post you went and ruined by saying you trust Steve Hamer.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 19, 2018 11:40:09 GMT
Well, what a surprise - just got back into the country to find you have been having another go at me gashead1981 I don't mind but please get your facts right - if you read through the threads 'BRFC Accounts 2015/6'' and 'Finances' you will see that It was I who said the Directors and some Preference shareholders had been repaid on takeover arguing with Severncider who was adamant his 'friend' NH had told him they had not. Threads in April and May 2017. (The reason for my certainty was because my good friend Geoff Dunford was there and it was he who told me). Incidentally - did you have a different avatar name then because you don't appear anywhere about that time??' As for my support for the Al-Qadi family and the Board - today's interview with Wael on the Rovers website is exactly what he told me in a private interview a while ago - and I accept there is no specific detail but that does not detract from the validity of what he is saying although you and my new found son 'oldgas' will no doubt disagree? I happen to believe Wael (and Steve Hamer too) but only time will tell which one of you and I is right - Wael has confirmed to me several times that he is here for the long term - I am as certain as anyone can be that he is telling the truth. I would suggest we leave this particular spat now as it is rather boring - and let time be the judge as it surely will be. Oh bloody hell. That was a good post you went and ruined by saying you trust Steve Hamer. I trust him more than the previous occupant Hugo
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 19, 2018 11:40:59 GMT
Oh bloody hell. That was a good post you went and ruined by saying you trust Steve Hamer. I trust him more than the previous occupant Hugo So do I. And I don't trust him at all.
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