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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 17, 2018 15:56:47 GMT
You sense everything changed once Hani appeared on the scene, whether Wael was just living in a dream world before he arrived, or the UWE talks failing caused him to rein in the plans we'll probably never know. As we've gone from a state of the art training ground and a world class stadium to no real signs of anything happening any time soon, if ever under the ALQ's ownership. I guess the dreamers will keep dreaming though. Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? I don't think anything changed. I think that this slow evolution was the plan all along. I just think that WAQ and SH may have got a bit over excited at the beginning and maybe made some statements/promises that were not really deliverable under the pre agreed evolution model.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2018 16:24:30 GMT
You sense everything changed once Hani appeared on the scene, whether Wael was just living in a dream world before he arrived, or the UWE talks failing caused him to rein in the plans we'll probably never know. As we've gone from a state of the art training ground and a world class stadium to no real signs of anything happening any time soon, if ever under the ALQ's ownership. I guess the dreamers will keep dreaming though. Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? Have you ever tried selling a football club £12m+ in debt with a worn out ground?
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2018 16:56:57 GMT
To me it doesn't stack up sorry, if he's saying theres more people than tickets sold then what proof is there, and if he's right why don't they spot check tickets to confirm it ,or a spot check on the inside the ground by the turnstiles randomly sounds as surely that would highlight where the issues if any are, it all sounds like a smoke screen to me. As for the 1883 thing ,it's another step isolating the club from those who have stood loyal all these years ,to me it seems to be the beginning of the club changing from what we know and love to just another club prostituting itself out to the highest bidder How do you spot check it's a freeby against a paid ticket? Although not sure what difference electronic turnstiles would make on that score, wouldn't it be easier to just deal with the issue at source, as I assume only so many members of staff have authority to issue free tickets? Simple really as i last posted random spot checks inside the ground at the turnstiles, if you don't have a ticket then you don't have to look far , i can't remember if comp tickets actually have comp written on em, if they don't then start doing it at least you then know the ticket is valid, there is an east way to get into the ground without a ticket but i wont say how on here and to be honest it's the clubs fault
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2018 17:01:28 GMT
To me it doesn't stack up sorry, if he's saying theres more people than tickets sold then what proof is there, and if he's right why don't they spot check tickets to confirm it ,or a spot check on the inside the ground by the turnstiles randomly sounds as surely that would highlight where the issues if any are, it all sounds like a smoke screen to me. As for the 1883 thing ,it's another step isolating the club from those who have stood loyal all these years ,to me it seems to be the beginning of the club changing from what we know and love to just another club prostituting itself out to the highest bidder Is he isolating the 1883 club? Sounds like he has had communication with at least some of them and is prepared to work with them. Although there seems to be another viewpoint on that The shirt raffle was good, but doesnt mean it has to go forever, especially if we aspire to the championship and beyond <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_9583113"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1634px; top: -298px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_34783183"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -17px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54033757"></iframe> <iframe width="34.180000000000064" height="6.759999999999991" style="position: absolute; width: 34.18px; height: 6.76px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1634px; top: -17px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_88821210"></iframe> It seems so in the best way possible ,some have said they were told directly others said they wern't told ,if true a blinding way to alienate some imagine you stood by the 1883 club for several years or longer and you found out via the forum wouldn't you be a tad pished off
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2018 17:11:41 GMT
To me it doesn't stack up sorry, if he's saying theres more people than tickets sold then what proof is there, and if he's right why don't they spot check tickets to confirm it ,or a spot check on the inside the ground by the turnstiles randomly sounds as surely that would highlight where the issues if any are, it all sounds like a smoke screen to me. As for the 1883 thing ,it's another step isolating the club from those who have stood loyal all these years ,to me it seems to be the beginning of the club changing from what we know and love to just another club prostituting itself out to the highest bidder Yes, I also struggle to comprehend this, but it is what he said. He also explained the issue with running out of Pasties and Kits: He reckons that there are people who know the pasty will be discounted to £1 at the end of the game, so make their purchase decision then. He also said the all football clubs do the same and they aim to be sold out at Christmas. He said that if the club over ordered, there would be people waiting for them to be discounted, rather than pay the full price. In all honesty, I came away thinking two things: 1) This is a negative way of looking at things. 2) Do we really have fans that take advantage of the club like that? For me, I still have the instant gratification requirements of a 14yr old, so buy a pasty when I want a pasty and a shirt when I want a shirt. Can think of a worse thing to do than wait until there were discounted. So do i sometimes also need a pasty for on the way home,so buy two or if i sometime buy at the end of the game, but ffs sounds like the guys paranoid , the otherside of the coin is if they keep running out a lot of us will go to the chippy on the way home so thats a few full price meal deals gone ,as fer £1 pasties at the end of the game surely it's better to get a squid for one than nothing at all, even at i squid i suspect the club make on them or the loss is mear pennies
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Post by LJG on Feb 17, 2018 17:14:20 GMT
Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? Have you ever tried selling a football club £12m+ in debt with a worn out ground? No and neither have you so you don't know any better than anyone else. But Higgs managed it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 17, 2018 17:14:55 GMT
Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? Have you ever tried selling a football club £12m+ in debt with a worn out ground? Yes I have, but then I am Nick Higgs.
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Post by inee on Feb 17, 2018 17:14:59 GMT
The club hasn't sold pasties for a £1 for most of this season so that still can't be the excuse for running out now? Although not sure anybody would plan to buy a pasty 2 hours plus after they arrive at the ground. Shirts wise given DC is renowned for having a good end to the season if's fool hardy to plan to run out by December. Turnaround time for new shirt orders is 120 days, I guess that shirt sales depend on how well we are doing - so our usual Jan/Feb upsurge in form does not allow enough time to get more shirts in stock. I guess there must be a minimum order threshold as well, so the club could be left with lots of unsold shirts at the end of the season - it's a fine line. 4 months that's shocking
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:20:46 GMT
I think it's fair to say that we have been allowed to dream at best and at worst we have been lied to regarding our expectations on the training ground. You sense everything changed once Hani appeared on the scene, whether Wael was just living in a dream world before he arrived, or the UWE talks failing caused him to rein in the plans we'll probably never know. As we've gone from a state of the art training ground and a world class stadium to no real signs of anything happening any time soon, if ever under the ALQ's ownership. I guess the dreamers will keep dreaming though. I get the impression Wael and reality are long estranged from each other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:28:49 GMT
You sense everything changed once Hani appeared on the scene, whether Wael was just living in a dream world before he arrived, or the UWE talks failing caused him to rein in the plans we'll probably never know. As we've gone from a state of the art training ground and a world class stadium to no real signs of anything happening any time soon, if ever under the ALQ's ownership. I guess the dreamers will keep dreaming though. Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? I'm still surprised at the number of people who refuse to entertain the idea that maybe Wael just likes owning a club (any club) as he likes football and it gives him a chance to network at places like soccerex and the coliseum. He certainly seems to be cultivating a public image for himself, how many other chairman speak at events like this? We don't know what his plans are for Jordanian football, perhaps some contacts in English football would be helpful in terms of influence? Etc. He can play president, keep the club ticking over and then if needs be sell the ground and get his family's money back and no-one loses out...well, apart from us. I know you are all beyond desperate to buy into the 'Wael is a Gashead' narrative but does the above all seem really that implausible?
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Post by garystash on Feb 17, 2018 18:24:42 GMT
That’s the reality though isn’t it...?? BRFC don’t own the land the training ground will be on and it’s hardly going to be a state of the art complex or anything near to what something like Fleetwood have for example. Especially when you have City, Cardiff and Southampton not far away, we needed something of similar quality. Well, as you've pointed out, there are no plans - so we don't know what it will or will not be. I think we can safely assume from the Hamer intetview that it won't have £10M spent on it. However, Dwane Sports have bought just shy of 30 acres of land. Whilst it may not initially be "state of the art", it certainly has the potential to be. As a businessman, would you not agree that building things slowly, as and when your means allow, is more sensible and sustainable than throwing all your resources at something you don't currently need?
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Post by peterparker on Feb 17, 2018 18:24:59 GMT
Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? I'm still surprised at the number of people who refuse to entertain the idea that maybe Wael just likes owning a club (any club) as he likes football and it gives him a chance to network at places like soccerex and the coliseum. He certainly seems to be cultivating a public image for himself, how many other chairman speak at events like this? We don't know what his plans are for Jordanian football, perhaps some contacts in English football would be helpful in terms of influence? Etc. He can play president, keep the club ticking over and then if needs be sell the ground and get his family's money back and no-one loses out...well, apart from us. I know you are all beyond desperate to buy into the 'Wael is a Gashead' narrative but does the above all seem really that implausible? Im not pretending things are fantastic off the pitch under Dwane Sports, but I dont buy the doom mongering either. There seems to be a lot of effort going into things if Hani wants out, doesnt want to put money in etc.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 17, 2018 18:32:04 GMT
Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? I'm still surprised at the number of people who refuse to entertain the idea that maybe Wael just likes owning a club (any club) as he likes football and it gives him a chance to network at places like soccerex and the coliseum. He certainly seems to be cultivating a public image for himself, how many other chairman speak at events like this? We don't know what his plans are for Jordanian football, perhaps some contacts in English football would be helpful in terms of influence? Etc. He can play president, keep the club ticking over and then if needs be sell the ground and get his family's money back and no-one loses out...well, apart from us. I know you are all beyond desperate to buy into the 'Wael is a Gashead' narrative but does the above all seem really that implausible? Funniest post this week Gas365 it made me laugh
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 17, 2018 18:32:21 GMT
Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? I'm still surprised at the number of people who refuse to entertain the idea that maybe Wael just likes owning a club (any club) as he likes football and it gives him a chance to network at places like soccerex and the coliseum. He certainly seems to be cultivating a public image for himself, how many other chairman speak at events like this? We don't know what his plans are for Jordanian football, perhaps some contacts in English football would be helpful in terms of influence? Etc. He can play president, keep the club ticking over and then if needs be sell the ground and get his family's money back and no-one loses out...well, apart from us. I know you are all beyond desperate to buy into the 'Wael is a Gashead' narrative but does the above all seem really that implausible? Lol, and up pops the usual posters after a defeat, predictable.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 17, 2018 18:32:34 GMT
Its not about dreaming though is it. Why are the Al Qadis hanging around if the club is such a f**king burden? I'm still surprised at the number of people who refuse to entertain the idea that maybe Wael just likes owning a club (any club) as he likes football and it gives him a chance to network at places like soccerex and the coliseum. He certainly seems to be cultivating a public image for himself, how many other chairman speak at events like this? We don't know what his plans are for Jordanian football, perhaps some contacts in English football would be helpful in terms of influence? Etc. He can play president, keep the club ticking over and then if needs be sell the ground and get his family's money back and no-one loses out...well, apart from us. I know you are all beyond desperate to buy into the 'Wael is a Gashead' narrative but does the above all seem really that implausible? Lol, and up pops the usual posters after a defeat, predictable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:39:25 GMT
I'm still surprised at the number of people who refuse to entertain the idea that maybe Wael just likes owning a club (any club) as he likes football and it gives him a chance to network at places like soccerex and the coliseum. He certainly seems to be cultivating a public image for himself, how many other chairman speak at events like this? We don't know what his plans are for Jordanian football, perhaps some contacts in English football would be helpful in terms of influence? Etc. He can play president, keep the club ticking over and then if needs be sell the ground and get his family's money back and no-one loses out...well, apart from us. I know you are all beyond desperate to buy into the 'Wael is a Gashead' narrative but does the above all seem really that implausible? Im not pretending things are fantastic off the pitch under Dwane Sports, but I dont buy the doom mongering either. There seems to be a lot of effort going into things if Hani wants out, doesnt want to put money in etc. I'm not suggesting a doomsday scenario here per se (although I don't discount it either). My post was more suggesting the idea that perhaps the attraction to the gas is because Wael feels that being a figurehead at the club is a good strategic move for him and his business interests? In terms of lots of effort I see it as them doing token things that don't really require a big spend, keeping things 'ticking over' whilst being able to fall back on the ground to cover their loss if they absolutely have to. We have yet to see a real statement of intent from DS, all the major 'plans' (stadium, academy) have been blown away and in their place is rumour and hearsay. As such it is quite easy to believe gashead1981 when he says that the reality is that there are still no plans 6 months on from the collapse of UWE. Just same old, same old, keep it ticking over whilst making public appearances at soccerex, coliseum etc. The only thing we can say for certain is that there is a tipping point which will be reached soon enough. We will find out exactly who owns the club and what their intentions are when the loan exceeds the value of the mem. I for one am very sceptical that DS will continue to invest funds that it can't secure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:42:55 GMT
I'm still surprised at the number of people who refuse to entertain the idea that maybe Wael just likes owning a club (any club) as he likes football and it gives him a chance to network at places like soccerex and the coliseum. He certainly seems to be cultivating a public image for himself, how many other chairman speak at events like this? We don't know what his plans are for Jordanian football, perhaps some contacts in English football would be helpful in terms of influence? Etc. He can play president, keep the club ticking over and then if needs be sell the ground and get his family's money back and no-one loses out...well, apart from us. I know you are all beyond desperate to buy into the 'Wael is a Gashead' narrative but does the above all seem really that implausible? Lol, and up pops the usual posters after a defeat, predictable. I would have said the same after the win against Rochdale, but it wasn't being discussed then- this has all cropped up from Henbury gas pulling our tails (as usual). Whatever happens on the pitch questions will always remain about what is going to happen to the club when debt exceeds equity. Even the most rose tinted fan must be dreading that day because we will be relying on charity from an investment banker who doesn't like football. That is not a place that any club wants to find itself!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:44:49 GMT
I'm still surprised at the number of people who refuse to entertain the idea that maybe Wael just likes owning a club (any club) as he likes football and it gives him a chance to network at places like soccerex and the coliseum. He certainly seems to be cultivating a public image for himself, how many other chairman speak at events like this? We don't know what his plans are for Jordanian football, perhaps some contacts in English football would be helpful in terms of influence? Etc. He can play president, keep the club ticking over and then if needs be sell the ground and get his family's money back and no-one loses out...well, apart from us. I know you are all beyond desperate to buy into the 'Wael is a Gashead' narrative but does the above all seem really that implausible? Funniest post this week Gas365 it made me laugh IS TODAY THE DAY? IF NOT NOW THEN WHEN?!?! D:
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 17, 2018 19:45:40 GMT
Have you ever tried selling a football club £12m+ in debt with a worn out ground? No and neither have you so you don't know any better than anyone else. But Higgs managed it. NH sold it with £6m+ of debts the ALQ's for somehow managed to double that, plus they were clearly a bit gullible as SH admitted recently they now realise football is more expensive they they assumed when they bought the club.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Feb 17, 2018 19:50:04 GMT
Lol, and up pops the usual posters after a defeat, predictable. I would have said the same after the win against Rochdale, but it wasn't being discussed then- this has all cropped up from Henbury gas pulling our tails (as usual). Whatever happens on the pitch questions will always remain about what is going to happen to the club when debt exceeds equity. Even the most rose tinted fan must be dreading that day because we will be relying on charity from an investment banker who doesn't like football. That is not a place that any club wants to find itself! As I said, predictable. You were quiet after Rochdale, bam we lose and you're like a rash that won't go away.
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