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Post by gasincider on Apr 7, 2017 22:07:41 GMT
If we can't break even on 9300 average attendances when our budget is bottom ten and we spend very little enhancing the mem there is something very wrong somewhere. Is that something illegal? We spent £250,000 around the Mem in the summer, bought Partington for £100k, employ 50% more people i.e. Physios, finance advisors, new office base at Cribbs training ground, meals after training, etc etc etc. With many loanees, if they are played we get them for nowt. If they don't play we have to agree a formula regarding their pay which could mean we pay their full salary. Ive probably missed a lot of obvious expenditure, but that lot was off the top of my head. To my mind, the most encouraging aspect of all this is that to commit to this level of expenditure, there must be a rational business plan moving forward to make it sustainable. I can only think of one way of justifying it, and it entails a new stadium. Just thought of another expense. Our chairman will be costing about £100k pa. That is the going rate. Not to mention the other directors who will be paid similar amounts. This is what happens when you start to put a professional team in place. So I'm not surprised at our potential losses. It's the UWE or bust as far as I can see, but must admit to being more confident than I have for a while. Hope it's not misplaced.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 7, 2017 22:03:28 GMT
1) Next years accounts. The ones published this year will be up to June 2016. I would suggest the average ticket price at the Mem is £15. Remember, under 11's can get in free. 2) Or it could be the UWE don't sell the freehold. I believe you can buy the leasehold on a dwelling, can you force a sale of the leasehold on a commercial building? Grateful if anyone knows the answer. If I understand the original proposal correctly, then we were not proposing to build the stadium on a leasehold basis (i.e. where we would own the stadium for a fixed period of time), but own the stadium while paying a peppercorn ground rent for 125 years for the land it stood on. The commercial value of the lease for the land was around £8m and was to be paid for by UWE getting the stadium naming rights in exchange. Sorry that doesn't really answer your question, but I think it might not apply in our potential situation. I remember my grandmother paying around £2 a year ground rent, for the land her Victorian terraced house stood on. She owned the house. Ground rent and leasehold are two completely different things.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 7, 2017 19:48:36 GMT
All guess work & speculation - but with an average attendance of around 9,000 - that would generate around £3.5M through 'the turnstiles' I reckon. I cannot see a playing budget in excess of £2M. That would leave £1.5M + £2.5M (apparent shortfall) Total £4M to cover support staff and stadium/training,ground running costs per annum or £80k per week. WoW! Anyone can speculate on the playing side running costs but I've tried to put some logic into my thinking - I'm sure many will differ if they wish to apply their own. As the earlier poster said the annual accounts will make interesting reading. How much do we get off of the league being in L1. One million per season. In the championship it's £6m
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Post by gasincider on Apr 7, 2017 19:33:55 GMT
1) So basically we're losing 6/7K fans per match/fortnight which is £100K+ lost on gate receipts (5,000 x £20 per ticket), or £200K per month/£2.4M a season, if that figure is accurate then this season's annual accounts could make interesting reading! 2) As far as leasing the UWE land, then it seems clear the Al-Q's aren't prepared to put the extra millions into the club to meet the UWE asking price. 1) Next years accounts. The ones published this year will be up to June 2016. I would suggest the average ticket price at the Mem is £12. Remember, under 11's can get in free. OAP's get in for about a third of normal price, and adults in the Thatchers get in for about £12 per match with a season ticket, so I'd guess overall average would be about £12. That would be a potential loss of 6000x £12 x 23 = £1,650,000. Better than Toppers figures, but don't make me feel any better. 2) Or it could be the UWE don't sell the freehold. I believe you can buy the leasehold on a dwelling, can you force a sale of the leasehold on a commercial building? Grateful if anyone knows the answer.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 7, 2017 16:44:09 GMT
If we can't break even on 9300 average attendances when our budget is bottom ten and we spend very little enhancing the mem there is something very wrong somewhere. Is that something illegal? We spent £250,000 around the Mem in the summer, bought Partington for £100k, employ 50% more people i.e. Physios, finance advisors, new office base at Cribbs training ground, meals after training, etc etc etc. With many loanees, if they are played we get them for nowt. If they don't play we have to agree a formula regarding their pay which could mean we pay their full salary. Ive probably missed a lot of obvious expenditure, but that lot was off the top of my head. To my mind, the most encouraging aspect of all this is that to commit to this level of expenditure, there must be a rational business plan moving forward to make it sustainable. I can only think of one way of justifying it, and it entails a new stadium.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 7, 2017 14:49:42 GMT
FWIW i understand there is still no movement with regards to UWE. Mr Hamer would disagree with you. Severcider tells me that he confirmed there had been substantial movement recently. The big problem was that UWE didn't like the risk of us going under in the middle of the Build. Therefore a bond guaranteeing completion of the build needed to be lodged to allay their fears. This has now been agreed.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 6, 2017 23:45:14 GMT
So what you are saying in a nutshell is this: 1) You are incapable of booking your own flight and hotel for your trip overseas, (see Ryanair, Easyjet, Hotels combined etc) It's not rocket science! YES 2) You would prefer that two other fans to do the work for you.YES 3) You do not want the club to use a current sponsor who help the club financially to organise the trip for those who are unable to book a flight and hotel. YES 4) You would prefer the chairman change his priorities from making the UWE project cross the line before the August deadline and instead concentrate on 5 days for a friendly in Portugal for fans who are unable to book a flight and hotel. YES Got it, astounding stuff. Gosh that is astonishing accuracy. I now feel ashamed.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 6, 2017 23:35:10 GMT
I keep saying it..... For an "incider" you don't know a lot..... Are you going to go through the 92 like you did with who Taylor was signing for before the correct team gets mentioned..? You must take the whole message in context. There must be thousands of towns in Portugal, I got the right one There are 365 days in a year and I got the right one. As of Monday, IT WAS Sheffield Wednesday, but has seemingly been altered. As I don't know a lot, in the words of Meatloaf, two out of three ain't bad. But surely, the answer is, don't read what I post and you'll die a happy chappy.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 6, 2017 8:36:21 GMT
Nowt wrong with this. Hope he wins it. The winner usually has a downturn in luck, so 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞✌️✌️✌️✌️🤞
It's not April 1st is it?😏😏😏
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 19:25:45 GMT
I suppose it was up to Preston. The sh*t had only sold 150 by yesterday morning.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 17:45:41 GMT
Wasn't last summer's game a bit of a one off rather than the expected norm for future pre-season games? Anyway, I'm not really sure what the OP's source is trying to gain by leaking this information to him before everything is finalised by the club? I know I shouldn't fall for it Topper, as you have more time to spend on here than anyone I know, but here goes. No. what JK and Stuart hoped was to get a close relationship going between the two teams which was enhanced by the colours both sides play in. DC also bought in to it. It was set up on a plate for the club, and didn't cost Rovers anything apart from their air fare. Everything else was covered. DC thought it was absolutely brilliant in its organisation, and would have been quite happy to see it repeated. As I said previously, Stuart has organised sporting tours abroad for some years, and his level of knowledge is as good as most travel agents. He is certainly no 'back of a fag packet ' merchant. OP's source is not trying to gain anything. It was Our chairman who said that he would advise the fans about what was happening within 10 days. That was 15 days ago. Just giving him a helping hand.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 17:32:44 GMT
Personally I thought Sabadell playing here would be the next logical step, but if DC etc. feel a trip abroad is necessary for the squad I'd have thought it'll be done for the priority of the team rather than the fans. Which is how it works for the majority of clubs. When aside from last year did we arrange a pre season friendly abroad with DC in charge? Of course the playing of any game is done for the priority of the team, but DC loves to involve the fans. Ask him!
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 14:31:43 GMT
I never sing LJ, coz he's Chuffing brilliant.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 14:29:54 GMT
Yes.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 14:28:22 GMT
perhaps they will do when it's actually sorted. Isn't that the point? if nothing is sorted then they can't tell you or anyone else
but as you are so connected and like to tell us thing perhaps you could find out
I can assure you Peter that I have, and that's why I've raised the relevant questions. How plain do you want me to make it?
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 14:15:00 GMT
Lets be honest its a friendly and the fans should be the lowest priority. If you can make it, have the cash and want to go when its sorted, thats evevryones personal choice. If the dates dont fit it with people plans, oh well thats life isnt it. Does that mean that we are unimportant so ignore the friendly with West Brom in July together with any or all others they might arrange? I thought this club has recognised and values us the fans, so you are talking garbage sir. As for your last two points, do you really understand what you are going on about? They are both the criteria people use when making plans to go anywhere. It's not unique to football. Did you miss the bit where our chairman said he would let us know about the trip in 10 days time 15 days ago? Is that what you mean by being low priority to the extent of just ignoring us and breaking a commitment? All the club need to do is tell us whether there will be a match. If so, are we welcome or not, and if so are the club arranging a trip on our behalf or do we sort ourselves out. Its not rocket science.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 14:02:44 GMT
Wrong forum Parker, the fun sapping one is the other forum ;-) are you sure. I see far more negative sh** on here than the other forum nowadays Go back to your own forum and post your wholly positive garbage on there. Does anyone still use that forum? I suppose 1 negative post on your forum out of thirty or so per month is quite good, whereas 20 on here out of about 3000 per month does equate to more negative posts even if it is lower as a percentage.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 13:59:30 GMT
it's a pre-season friendly.! 1) you don't have to go 2)they are for the benefit of the team, not a jolly fo fans as such I refer you to the answers you were given on Facebook when you wrote the same crap on there. Last year was for both groups, as this years was supposed to be.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 13:56:40 GMT
Whenever the club get round to announcing this, can they please confirm that Gasheads can attend the game, it will not be played behind Closed Doors.
I ask as this has not been arranged by Stuart and John, it is solely down to BRFC. I suppose if some people give the club a chance to announce things, instead of getting the warm fuzzy feeling their pants for breaking the news, full details will be given at the correct time when things have been finalised. Would that be before or after everyone has booked their summer holidays. The club said they would make an announcement in 10 days time 15 days ago. Is that the warm fuzzy feeling you are on about? The club said they would be organising something in early January. Hang on, I'm getting that warm fuzzy feeling again.
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Post by gasincider on Apr 4, 2017 13:53:44 GMT
Why would it be a shame as there was no official trip arranged for fans last year? Because it's obvious that the club don't want John and Stuart to do anything this year, which is ok if the club do. Last years trip to Sabadell was a brilliant success apart from the match result, so why not repeat it this year. Stuart has been booking overseas trips for all manner of sports for years, and as a gashead, was the perfect guy, along with JK to arrange a trip this year.so I don't understand why the club don't use their experience. Steve Hamer said that the club would announce what their plans were in 10 days time. That was 15 days ago.
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