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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 17:50:03 GMT
Strange isn't it that some cannot discern the difference between right and wrong. Doubly strange the justification given that others do it, or similar. True,it's wrong if someone else does it but ok if you do it sort of mentality. It's only a couple of quid innit? Who cares right?
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 17:46:42 GMT
Why didn't he get there? Couldn't be because of the large group of players in the way could it? So he has made a poor decision by coming? Twice? No, he tried, couldn't get there because of the crowd in front of him, defence tried to clear, they couldn't, he pulled off a great save to stop us going 1 nil down. You see it as you want, and obviously have.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 17:29:10 GMT
Was the save which was of his own making on the highlights video that's just been posted? Same question regarding flapping at crosses you mention? Yes the save is there. He came for the corner and didn't get there came again and got nowhere near it and gets back to make the save. If he dosent come for thee crosses he would have been in a better position and the save is routine. Why didn't he get there? Couldn't be because of the large group of players in the way could it?
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 16:15:02 GMT
I’ve used a senior season ticket before when it couldn’t be used by the ST holder. It was a game I wouldn’t have attended had it not been ‘free’. At the match I purchased a few pints in the club, a dirty overpriced burger and chips and a Mars bar. All revenue the club would have lost had I not attended. I have no issue doing it and would do it again. Seems perfectly reasonable to me! That was a one off, with a ST loaned by a friend, not a deliberate attempt to cheat the club. I think that the concern is with people who are fruadently getting in to matches on a regular basis by purposely purchasing a ticket in a cheaper category, and maybe even buying season tickets for a cheaper category which they don't actually qualify for. Yea, but they do buy a burger and a mars bar so that's fine.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 16:13:49 GMT
Once a season ticket or match day ticket has been scanned once for that particular match, a second scan will show red. The tech does work but some people (the minority)still try to abuse the system. And some think it's such a trivial breaking of the rules it's ok.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 14:51:31 GMT
And hopefully speeders are all prosecuted and fined. Just like fans getting in on the cheap. Again all very subjective. If 87% of people are doing it then they obviously feel differently. Is speeding any better or worse than getting into football cheaply? Statistically many of those complaining about people getting into the football cheaply are happy to break laws. That’s why I refer to it as faux outrage! They're not, most of us abide by laws, obviously you're not one of them and think it's ok.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 14:50:02 GMT
And hopefully speeders are all prosecuted and fined. Just like fans getting in on the cheap. Again all very subjective. If 87% of people are doing it then they obviously feel differently. Is speeding any better or worse than getting into football cheaply? Statistically many of those complaining about people getting into the football cheaply are happy to break laws. That’s why I refer to it as faux outrage! I think you're assuming many people have your outlook on breaking rules. We don't, it's just you.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 14:38:29 GMT
Not sure how much of your purchases went to the club though. And it still doesn't excuse people getting in for free (which I think was the whole point of the 'ticket abuse') thread. And here’s the problem. You have less of an issue with a season ticket being used than someone getting in for free. The whole thing is very subjective! I use my Season Ticket, and paid a lot of money for the privelage. To hear others are getting in through cheating the system doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 14:23:59 GMT
Think we're moving away from the fact that we took a point from a top 6 side yesterday, through hard work, more than most of us were expecting. And the sh1t lost. Let's just enjoy our Sunday and look forward to heaping more misery on FGR next Saturday.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:53:43 GMT
I don't think it is faux outrage. I am really angry that we are missing out on this revenue. What if the additional revenue from these people (and the fact that a statement has been put out, suggests it was more than one person) could've bought a player in the Jan transfer window that would have made a difference to our end of season? It's just not justifiable. Each to their own. 87% of people speed in a 20 mph zone despite the fact we all know it’s designated 20mph due to their likely being a school or children nearby and also knowing that in doing so they significantly increase the likelihood of a fatal accident. I can understand being angry at that. Getting in to the football on the cheap just doesn’t rank highly in my list of things to be angry at. And hopefully speeders are all prosecuted and fined. Just like fans getting in on the cheap.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:51:19 GMT
I’ve used a senior season ticket before when it couldn’t be used by the ST holder. It was a game I wouldn’t have attended had it not been ‘free’. At the match I purchased a few pints in the club, a dirty overpriced burger and chips and a Mars bar. All revenue the club would have lost had I not attended. I have no issue doing it and would do it again. Seems perfectly reasonable to me! Not sure how much of your purchases went to the club though. And it still doesn't excuse people getting in for free (which I think was the whole point of the 'ticket abuse') thread.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:41:01 GMT
The point I was making was simply lots of day to day things millions of people do have questionable ethics. Even finding money, whilst not illegal, what if it was a pensioners money they weee going to buy electricity with? Many would view getting in cheap to a football match in the same light as the things on my list and the faux outrage from some over it is laughable as we all do things that could be interpreted as questionable at times. I don't think it is faux outrage. I am really angry that we are missing out on this revenue. What if the additional revenue from these people (and the fact that a statement has been put out, suggests it was more than one person) could've bought a player in the Jan transfer window that would have made a difference to our end of season? It's just not justifiable. It certainly isn't, and more than likely the legitimate payers who don't cheat the system will have to pick up the loss.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:38:52 GMT
They also get a free kit, boots, and travel to and from away games. Whatever next? Don't get me started about the half time oranges. It used to be tomatoes but that's a different story.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:37:52 GMT
Don't get me started about the half time oranges. I've heard rumours that they get a cup of tea as well. Someone's in the know.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:20:23 GMT
Older generation view,I guess? I just see things how I see it. When the players were on similar wages to the working man, then yeah they should get any extras they can. Now if players are on £1-2k a week basic, and and get free food and end of season holidays from the club, should they get "rewarded" for fines? End of season holiday ? That was a one off for achieving promotion surely ? They also get a free kit, boots, and travel to and from away games. Whatever next?
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:14:06 GMT
2 out of these three are actually illegal. Picking up a fiver - Covered by the law of 'Finders Keepers' as it cannot be identified who it is. Picking up a wallet, should be handed in to the police or customer liason. The other examples - taking too many sweets and being under charged. You may not know this but in some organisations, they charge the employees for shrinkage. Using a mates season ticket is justifiable. Using a mates e ticket and knowing your mate is also using it is outrageous. They should be named and shamed. Buying a ticket in a different age group is also out of order. Not as outrageous as using the same ticket twice but they have lied about their age. The point I was making was simply lots of day to day things millions of people do have questionable ethics. Even finding money, whilst not illegal, what if it was a pensioners money they weee going to buy electricity with? Many would view getting in cheap to a football match in the same light as the things on my list and the faux outrage from some over it is laughable as we all do things that could be interpreted as questionable at times. Still doesn't excuse it.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:08:50 GMT
For me, a club like ours is always going to lose it's best players. So much as I agree that we need a core of players for a succesful couple of seasons, a high calibre of players coming in on loan for a season at a time can only be a good thing. Absolutely this. As much as some might believe, we’re nothing special at League One level and aren’t above relying on loan players year on year. As you say we have taken on some very decent youngsters from Premier league clubs the last two years and I’m relieved/glad that they trust our club to look after their prospects for a season/half. We’re actually very lucky in that respect, no one HAS to send us anyone. There must be an appeal for Premiership Clubs to send us youngsters (it sure as hell isn't the Mem), maybe Anderson set the tone? Dare I say it, Barton?
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:05:44 GMT
Belshaw brought off a bit of a worldie when he pushed the shot over the bar, he also saved a one on one with his leg and generally looked sound. Given he's our own goalie rather than a loan player isn't it preferably he's the one now in goal? Although I agree with playing Belshaw from here on in, there was no doubt the save where he tipped over was his own doing for flapping at the cross in the first place. He needs to deal with crosses better but he’s a great shot stopper Seen the highlights? Hardly flapping, he couldn't get anywhere near it due to a crowd of players in front of him.
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 12:40:21 GMT
Belshaw brought off a bit of a worldie when he pushed the shot over the bar, he also saved a one on one with his leg and generally looked sound. Given he's our own goalie rather than a loan player isn't it preferably he's the one now in goal? I'M with BG on this. Whils't I like the bloke and believe he is a good ( short shot ) stopper I believe his positioning on occasions for long shots and crosses are not up to the standard required. If we are to become sa serious contender for promotion to the Championship this is one position that needs to be addressed. 2 clean sheets on the bounce, that's getting close to Championship form isn't it?
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 12:07:30 GMT
Imagine the irony of fans that aren't real fans ripping the club off, when ...... some of the real fans as season ticket holders renewing their ticket online being charged an extra £1 for no reason at all? The rip off lies both ways. And, if a few thousand fans pay this, this is a £4-5k for doing sweet f a , hence rip off! Unless we're getting new cards? Just a guess as otherwise charging an extra £1 for something we're not getting does seem to be a bit of a cheek to say the least.
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