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Post by tinner on Jan 6, 2017 17:52:18 GMT
Well said , 100 % agree with you ( for a change ! ) lol 😉 Not sure what you are arguing against Tinner.Where does he say two promotions and our current position equates to short term success? If you dont like his reports why read them? And why have you not been reminded to attack the post not the poster? And by the way are you the foul mouthed git I keep hearing in the Vic? Coz you seem to want to be on here. Oakbourne, I thought you were more discerning. You to have agreed something that Steve simply did not say. I suggest you read his comments again, he quotes most signings as only short term success.....now how can that be true if we have got double promotion, unless promotion was only down to 2-3 players??? I never attacked the post, I merely attacked his comments, which of course he is entitled to......but I am sick of hearing people moaning and finding fault, when actually things are as good as they have been for a number of years!! And no, I do not go to the Vic!
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Post by tinner on Jan 6, 2017 16:42:59 GMT
The fact is it doesn't look very likely that he is going to get much in the way of funds to get players now. Most of DC's signings success is short term in number of good games and how much is down to the players not being good enough and how much is down to DC failing to give them a run of games we will never know. Quite a few have come with good pedigree and yet failed to get a regular place. Only Lockyer, Lee Brown, Sinclair and Taylor can really go down as regulars this season but our reasonable position is really down to Taylor and the rest of the squad playing some good games on an irregular basis due to the "rotation"! system. Lee Brown and Lockyer have both failed to reach last seasons standards. What utter sh*t......your comments and your condesending match reports are an embarrassment!!! So back to back promotion and 4 points off play off in Div 1 equates to short term success.....wtf are you on about........and more to the point, what does DC need to do to satisfy you, win the premiership??!!
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Post by tinner on Jan 1, 2017 14:42:25 GMT
DC was quoted as saying his work here wouldn't be done until we're a top 10 division 1 side. He could leave now with his head held high. I think his reason for staying is the ambition of the board, which hopefully means he can fulfil further ambitions with us, at least in the short to medium term. Plus, I think he really, truly, likes everything about the club. I bet he doesn't like the moaning, whinging supporters, who make a profession out of finding fault......e.g utterly stupid quotes on here that DC does not develop players, the criticism at the start of season re lack of signings, the criticism re not playing his new signings, failing to play 4 4 2 every week and so on........ We could get promotion this year, and those people would no doubt have the same moans, plus a few more next season as well!!! I think out relative success in the past two years, has illustrated how many idiots 'support' Rovers.....and dont get me started on SteveK192's condesending match reports!!
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Post by tinner on Dec 13, 2016 17:57:15 GMT
After a dodgy spell we scored 4 times on Saturday w/o Lines and his replacement Boateng was MotM, whilst Bury weren't the best would any of us seriously put Lines name first on the team sheet on Saturday, I very much doubt it?? Well I bl**dy would, because, I look beyond one or two games, and in my opinion CL has been our best player this season, and I believe is better than Boating, proven by how few games he has played for us since joining. Some shouts on here are just embarrassing really, a top ten team (a position that probably exceeds most of our expectations at the start of the season!!) go on a bad spell, and suddenly there is a witch hunt. For those who constantly moan and find fault, just what will keep you happy??? Is it only if we win every game, remain unbeaten, or stay in the top 6? Would love to know, because right now it is pretty good to be a Rovers fan, and yet listening to some on hear you would think we were back in the Conference!!
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Post by tinner on Nov 27, 2016 0:25:17 GMT
This whole thread is a fu8king embarrassment........we are mid table in div1, and yet people continue to moan, what the f*ck do you expect and when will you ever be satisfied?
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Post by tinner on Nov 21, 2016 13:59:21 GMT
So never mind the fact that DC's approach has gained us B2B promotions, and leaves us handily placed in LG1, lets rip it up and just play 4 4 2. I generally dispair of some people on here....MK Dons looked a decent side, and on balance, I for one was happy with a draw...........but no, despite universally everyone agreeing that a mid table finish this season would be great.......the moment we fail to win a game, you have the usual suspects moaning about making too many changes!!
I would have been quite happy for a midtable finish, but having seen the quality of this league I am raising my own expectations especially as we have some very good players for this level.
Lets be honest MK Dons are near the bottom for a reason, we should be taking the game to them and dictating play not giving away 60% possession and having 2-3 defensive midfielders playing together in a home game.
Yes you cant knock DC given the results over the last 3 seasons, but that doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes.
And if we had played with two wingers, and lost 3 0 I am sure you would have moaned at that as well. I do not understand why some on here just fail to grasp that there are more than one team in a match, and the success or not of our performance/formation etc is massively impacted by the opposition. We are Bristol Rovers not Barcelona.......and have achieved success through a combination of hard work/fitness/rotation/skill etc........and yet still that does not seem to satisfy some on here, who just cannot seem to accept that sometimes we will be outplayed/or matched regardless of the players we select. Bottomline we got a point against a decent looking MK Dons team........and perhaps should have snatched it in the end.........so do not see how ths can be classed as DC making a mistake??
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Post by tinner on Nov 21, 2016 12:26:52 GMT
Because if we started every home game with an attacking lineup in a 4-4-2 it automatically = us taking the lead in games? Also if we started with 4-4-2 all the time then opposition managers would come to the Mem with a plan to combat it every game - whereas at the moment they can't come up with tactics to face us with any certainty of what shape we will put out. People seem to forget there's two sides that play in every match and the way both sides set up has a direct impact on the success (or otherwise) of the game plan of the opposition. IMO we aren't good enough at this level to say 'let's just start 442 every match and impose our game on them and blow them away lads'.Keep them guessing. I'm not saying that, I simply think we should play our best players in their best positions with the most effective formation. I wont worry if the opposition manager knows how we will setup because our players are capable of winning promotion from this league. Maybe DC had the start vs MK Dons in mind from the away game and setup a bit negatively (eg Clarke and Beard starting together). The 2nd sentence ive marked in bold is pretty much exactly what I would do. You wont win them all but to me that's the best way to play with the players available. DC has the uncanny ability to read the games and change it for the better, but the fact he has to change it for the better tells me we dont setup for games in the right way. I can probably name about 4 games where we have had a good first half. So never mind the fact that DC's approach has gained us B2B promotions, and leaves us handily placed in LG1, lets rip it up and just play 4 4 2. I generally dispair of some people on here....MK Dons looked a decent side, and on balance, I for one was happy with a draw...........but no, despite universally everyone agreeing that a mid table finish this season would be great.......the moment we fail to win a game, you have the usual suspects moaning about making too many changes!!
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Post by tinner on Nov 3, 2016 23:14:40 GMT
The main problem with lack of atmosphere is the insistance on droaning out Good Night Irene repeatedly during the game.
Whilst it is great to have our own unique song, it is uninspiring and just not lively enough....as evidenced by the marked difference in vocal support vs Grimsby in the Play Off final.
Tuesday it was frankly like a morgue throughout most of the game, and whoever mentioned the Mem as an intimidating atmosphere must be having a laugh!!!
I see so many clips now of fans with great catchy songs, easy to keep going, that create a great atmosphere, examples being the Going on the P*ss with Georgie Best song from Man utd, and one I heard from Man City "Oh what a night, watching City on a Wednesday night, you play Thursday 'cuz you're f**cking sh**e!" (to tune of Oh What a Night) is great and there are many others. I think Rovers need to move with the times in this respect if we are to get a good noise back at the Mem!!
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Post by tinner on Oct 19, 2016 17:54:20 GMT
DC really needs to stop the constant changing of the line up granted it has worked but last night it sounded as if we were found out and but for the grace of the footballing gods we could have been on the end of a bloody good hiding thank god the Franchise were shaky and we have Matty Taylor What do you mean..."granted it has worked".......it has given us two promotions, and one defeat in 10 at the moment so it has not only worked it has been bloody successful!! What football team or indeed any business would change a successful model??
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Post by tinner on Oct 19, 2016 17:44:35 GMT
I don't understand why some people are never satisfied....we have had successive promotions and have lost 1 in 10 this season, off the back of DC's approach of treating each game individually and making what he believes are the appropriate changes. Of course he doesn't always get it right, but who does?
Our flexibility and familarity with playing different formations means that more often than not, when we make changes, we quickly adapt to them and often see a positive reaction, as demonstrated by our late goals.
Therefore, to suggest we simply switch to a standard 4 4 2 is in my opinion ridiculous, and a backward step! Surely we should continue with an approach that has brought us success, and is, at present, also working working well this season.
So a big resounding NO from me, lets keep our approach the same because quite simply, as it stands, it is bringing us results.
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Post by tinner on Oct 6, 2016 17:10:09 GMT
Are some people really blaming PT for us going out of the League? After Buckle, McGhee, and Ward took over who all had top League 2 budgets? PT has the 11th highest win ratio in our history, higher than both Buckle and McGhee, and Wards second stint with us. He got us promoted, and how people are trying to belittle his achievements with us is beyond me. If we "scraped" through the playoffs under PT then what the hell have we done with DC? I'm DC's biggest fan but under PT we convincingly beat Lincoln and Shrewsbury. We needed pens against Grimsby and "scraped" into the autos because Accy couldn't win. We didn't even scrape in, we beat Hartlepool on the last day stopping them from winning the League and finished 6th, not 7th. Someone has actually written off the FA Cup quarters achievement because we've done it before. Yeah, we done it twice in 1950-1960 and until then we hadn't. 3 times in our history. You can not write that off. By the way, we beat Championship Southampton and Premiership Fulham in that "easy" run. I get people don't rate PT as a manager, but he is not to blame for the sh** that happened to this club following his sacking and he has achieved a lot more as a manager (even though he's a coach!!) that a lot of the so called managers in our history. PT deserves a lot more respect than a lot of our fans give him and and people should be grateful we had as much success as we did with him in charge, because it's rare for little clubs like us to have times like that. Onwards and upwards, DC is taking us to the prem x Spot on, the attitude of some on here beggars belief, why they just cannot accept that PT had a really good spell as MANAGER with us I just do not understand......I assume they would have prefered someone like Atkins to remain in charge and for us to continually hover in mid to lower half of Div 2!
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Post by tinner on Oct 4, 2016 19:40:49 GMT
Out of interest Roadman, how many past Rovers managers have had a promotion and FA Cup Quarter Final appearance on their CV from their time with us? Don't get bogged down with terminology. PT led that team and suggesting otherwise is doing him a great disservice. He coached the team. His man management, decisions, tactics, team selection and signings were shocking. None of his signings were a great success and he got promoted with Atkins players after a great run. He was out of his depth in league one so god knows how he got the Cardiff job. Yes he got promoted with Atkins players, but you fail to mention that with Atkins in charge we were languishing around the bottom of the table....hence the reason he was sacked!! So actually to get promotion with another managers under performing set of players, is quite an achievement. He finished mid table in the first two years in League One so how is that being out of your depth??
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Post by tinner on Sept 25, 2016 8:48:47 GMT
Nope just somebody who understands football and is happy to defend the only manager in our 100 year odd history to gain B2B promotions, and is doing a great job. Don't tell me despite us winning well yesterday you would rather we had started with a different formation??? I'm clearly not worthy to debate with you as your knowledge of football is on a different level to mine and others on here , DC is a football god who doesn't make mistakes and anyone who dares question him knows nothing about football. I'm sorry for replying to your post sir , I'm not worthy. Where do I say my football knowledge is on a different level to yours? Anyhow...am interested in your answer to my question...despite wining well yesterday, do you think we should have started with a different formation? as clearly from this thread at least one person does!
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Post by tinner on Sept 25, 2016 8:16:40 GMT
We won the match, limited PV to only one clear change..and that was an unlucky deflection, dominated the majority of the game apart from the 10-15 mins after the goal, and probably could have have won by 3 or 4 in the end. So clearly DC got it spot on again........but of course you know best and we had the wrong shape from the start......tell me how do you know what the correct shape should have been, and can you guarantee we would have won the match if we had started with this 'correct' shape?? I recall on this forum a number of people berating John Ward and others because they had no plan B............now if DC changes things through the match...which he does so well, he is critiscised for not starting with this formation. DC ? Is that you ? ........ Nope just somebody who understands football and is happy to defend the only manager in our 100 year odd history to gain B2B promotions, and is doing a great job. Don't tell me despite us winning well yesterday you would rather we had started with a different formation???
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Post by tinner on Sept 25, 2016 8:08:27 GMT
Love DC to bits, but he still began today's game with the wrong shape. He then has to use two out of three subs to correct it later in the game. We have to play with width. Port Vale were woeful, but yet again we concede first, albeit this time it was a bit of a fluke. But you could se a goal coming. We won the match, limited PV to only one clear change..and that was an unlucky deflection, dominated the majority of the game apart from the 10-15 mins after the goal, and probably could have have won by 3 or 4 in the end. So clearly DC got it spot on again........but of course you know best and we had the wrong shape from the start......tell me how do you know what the correct shape should have been, and can you guarantee we would have won the match if we had started with this 'correct' shape?? I recall on this forum a number of people berating John Ward and others because they had no plan B............now if DC changes things through the match...which he does so well, he is critiscised for not starting with this formation.
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Post by tinner on Sept 21, 2016 13:01:30 GMT
If DC got his starting line-up and tactics right from the off we really would be cooking! The good thing is he knows how to put things right and isn't afraid to do it early That said the opposition have let us off the hook a bit recently so you could say on another day we would be out of sight. We won the game 2 1 yesterday, and pretty much dominated the match....so I would say DC got things spot on. People have to bear in mind there are two teams and two managers in the equation, so it is not just as simple as what team/tactics DC employs, it also depends on how the other team play against that. I find it incredible that on here people go into melt down if we go a goal down, particularly if we are not playing the good old 4 4 2. We now have a squad who can play in different formations, and DC is learning when best to employ these formations and which player best fits which role......we have a good squad, and cover in all positions, we are mid table and unbeaten for 5 league games, and still some are so quick to vent their displeasure because a team has dared score against us and shock horror we are not playing a 4 4 2!
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Post by tinner on Sept 20, 2016 21:50:52 GMT
This thread is an embarrassment...............why can't people accept we have a fantastic, highly regarded manager, who has performed amazingly to get back to back promotions? Instead, we get constant moans from idiots who think all we need to do is play 4 4 2 every week. I for one am loving the flexibility we have and that DC has the conviction and courage to try different things to suit different games. To all you moaners, why not just try enjoying the journey instead of complaining/moaning/abusing when things do not go our way.....after all if DC left who the hell could fill his boots? Chill out mate there's no need to lower the tone and speak to people like that is there ? We all have differences of opinion but that doesn't make people idiots , I don't agree with some of your points in your post but I don't think your an idiot I think that you have a different opinion. DC is the best a manger we've had certainly in my lifetime but that doesn't mean that he can't be questioned from time to time , people aren't always going to agree on things , that's the Beauty of a forum. Just fed up with constant moaning on here from people who clearly do not have a clue about football......and I wish people would just enjoy the relative success we are having. Afterall 17 months ago we were playing Alfreton Town, and now we are holding our own in Div 1with broadly the same players, and yet still people are oh so quick to complain and find fault.
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Post by tinner on Sept 20, 2016 21:19:13 GMT
This thread is an embarrassment...............why can't people accept we have a fantastic, highly regarded manager, who has performed amazingly to get back to back promotions? Instead, we get constant moans from idiots who think all we need to do is play 4 4 2 every week.
I for one am loving the flexibility we have and that DC has the conviction and courage to try different things to suit different games.
To all you moaners, why not just try enjoying the journey instead of complaining/moaning/abusing when things do not go our way.....after all if DC left who the hell could fill his boots?
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Post by tinner on Sept 18, 2016 0:07:10 GMT
Swansea wont lend us any more if we don't play them, we already splintered McBurnies arse, now this one has gone AWOL. I dont see the point in loan signings unless they improve the first XI. Jesus...some basics here, we need more strength in depth in the squad, and CR clearly brings that. Just because he is not playing at present means nothing, and as is acknowledged by most people, who have a basic understanding of football,is that having players challenging for a first team place ensures the the players in the first team have to up / maintain there game to ensure they retain their place in the side...so actually indirectly his signing does improve the first X1. Please do try and keep up before posting idiotic cr*p!
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Post by tinner on Sept 17, 2016 23:57:22 GMT
Sorry but I can't believe fuss being made about this, good for the club to have a go. As my son attended the event I took the opportunity to quiz him and more than a dozen of his friends all of whom said that the Rovers stand was excellent and there were several of the young pro's Broom, Malpas and one other who were excellent, they were talking to all the students, playing games and encouraging everybody to attend games. Apparently they were a hit and represented the club very well. To put some context to that the other stands were giving free Rizla papers, Desperado's and other similar gifts. In summary, the stand was not brilliant but fit for purpose and the lads did us proud. Interesting and clearly the stall was a success, but of course the professional moaners will disregard this and no doubt begin trawling for anything else to find fault with!!
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