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Post by LJG on Apr 23, 2018 10:04:24 GMT
The rise in murders in london is directly linked to the massive cuts imposed by this lousy government especially in community policing. Where is your evidence for that? There is far more available evidence to suggest that the rise is directly linked to Sadiq Khan's commitment to the ending of stop and search policy. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 13:58:51 GMT
Reading through this thread was like looking through a pair of binoculars with one lens shot out.
It appears that more than a few would look at stats and selectively choose their pre determined viewpoint.
A country that breeds UKIP indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 22:48:54 GMT
The rise in murders in london is directly linked to the massive cuts imposed by this lousy government especially in community policing. Where is your evidence for that? There is far more available evidence to suggest that the rise is directly linked to Sadiq Khan's commitment to the ending of stop and search policy. Depends which "expert" analysis your viewing i suppose but massive police cuts dont make any sense to me in the modern world. I think the stop and search viewpoint is a diversion against critics of the government but i dont think any tactic should be denied to the police by a politician[khan]. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 24, 2018 6:50:32 GMT
Reading through this thread was like looking through a pair of binoculars with one lens shot out. It appears that more than a few would look at stats and selectively choose their pre determined viewpoint. A country that breeds UKIP indeed. Your last sentence somewhat undercuts your first two, Les. You`re as predictable as anyone on here. No matter what the subject, you`ll blame UKIP/Brexit, Pirate will blame Israel, Blue Butterfly will blame racists, fascists, and anyone who earns more than him. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 7:30:07 GMT
Well, I'm just going to throw this one out there for discussion....
Stephen Lawrence. We've all seen the documentaries, the news etc etc. Following an 'independent investigation' the Met Police were officially labeled as being 'Institutionally Racist'. With the constant fear of being called Racist, is it possible that over the years, the Police have backed off from dealing with young Black crime?
The fact is, the majority of people being knifed or shot in London are Black, with the perpetrators being Black.
Are the current levels of Black on Black murders the unintended consequences of the Stephen Lawrence case?
Just like to add that I'm not suggesting that this is the only reason, but just maybe one of the factors.
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 24, 2018 11:27:01 GMT
Well, I'm just going to throw this one out there for discussion.... Stephen Lawrence. We've all seen the documentaries, the news etc etc. Following an 'independent investigation' the Met Police were officially labeled as being 'Institutionally Racist'. With the constant fear of being called Racist, is it possible that over the years, the Police have backed off from dealing with young Black crime? The fact is, the majority of people being knifed or shot in London are Black, with the perpetrators being Black. Are the current levels of Black on Black murders the unintended consequences of the Stephen Lawrence case? Just like to add that I'm not suggesting that this is the only reason, but just maybe one of the factors. Quite probably, Nobby. Whatever the reasons are, you can`t complain that these young madmen are racist. There`s nothing they enjoy more, than sticking a knife in someone who`s the same colour as themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 11:39:31 GMT
For 2017.
Stats from the Home Office given up under a freedom of information request
"Knife crime has killed 35 children and young people so far this year. This year, 2017, is set to be the worst for fatal stabbings of young people since 2008, when 42 died. Both figures are well above the trend of the past 40 years, which puts stabbing deaths at about one young person a fortnight. This data, collected by the Guardian as part of its “Beyond the blade” investigation, suggests that at least three young lives will be lost each month this year. And while in London knife crime victims are disproportionately black, elsewhere in England and Wales most victims are white; it is not ethnicity but gender and age that are likely to be the strongest predictors of involvement in knife crime"
Yes the figures are horrific so far in 2018. But the causal factors are not as simplistic as those who would rather gleefully jump on issue of race so easily.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 28, 2018 18:33:18 GMT
For 2017. Stats from the Home Office given up under a freedom of information request "Knife crime has killed 35 children and young people so far this year. This year, 2017, is set to be the worst for fatal stabbings of young people since 2008, when 42 died. Both figures are well above the trend of the past 40 years, which puts stabbing deaths at about one young person a fortnight. This data, collected by the Guardian as part of its “Beyond the blade” investigation, suggests that at least three young lives will be lost each month this year. And while in London knife crime victims are disproportionately black, elsewhere in England and Wales most victims are white; it is not ethnicity but gender and age that are likely to be the strongest predictors of involvement in knife crime" Yes the figures are horrific so far in 2018. But the causal factors are not as simplistic as those who would rather gleefully jump on issue of race so easily. I'd stick my neck out and suggest socioeconomic issues are much more likely to be at play. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 1:02:59 GMT
The highest crime rates are in the most deprived areas,thats the truth of it.
It just so happens that a high percentage of BAME people live in deprived areas.
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Post by William Wilson on May 25, 2018 9:04:18 GMT
For 2017. Stats from the Home Office given up under a freedom of information request "Knife crime has killed 35 children and young people so far this year. This year, 2017, is set to be the worst for fatal stabbings of young people since 2008, when 42 died. Both figures are well above the trend of the past 40 years, which puts stabbing deaths at about one young person a fortnight. This data, collected by the Guardian as part of its “Beyond the blade” investigation, suggests that at least three young lives will be lost each month this year. And while in London knife crime victims are disproportionately black, elsewhere in England and Wales most victims are white; it is not ethnicity but gender and age that are likely to be the strongest predictors of involvement in knife crime" Yes the figures are horrific so far in 2018. But the causal factors are not as simplistic as those who would rather gleefully jump on issue of race so easily. I'd stick my neck out and suggest socioeconomic issues are much more likely to be at play. Tell me more, Hugo. They`re poor, with little prospect of that changing, and so they take a knife and stab somebody, that they most probably never even met before. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 25, 2018 9:44:58 GMT
I'd stick my neck out and suggest socioeconomic issues are much more likely to be at play. Tell me more, Hugo. They`re poor, with little prospect of that changing, and so they take a knife and stab somebody, that they most probably never even met before. Actually, yes. There is a lot of evidence to support lack of wealth, health, education and family support to crime, or more specifically certain types of crimes and gang culture. |
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Post by William Wilson on May 26, 2018 12:04:55 GMT
Tell me more, Hugo. They`re poor, with little prospect of that changing, and so they take a knife and stab somebody, that they most probably never even met before. Actually, yes. There is a lot of evidence to support lack of wealth, health, education and family support to crime, or more specifically certain types of crimes and gang culture. "Certain types of crime", I accept.
Premeditated attempted murder by stabbing, I don`t. Only extreme lack of mental stability, leads people to do such a thing.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 26, 2018 15:12:03 GMT
Actually, yes. There is a lot of evidence to support lack of wealth, health, education and family support to crime, or more specifically certain types of crimes and gang culture. "Certain types of crime", I accept.
Premeditated attempted murder by stabbing, I don`t. Only extreme lack of mental stability, leads people to do such a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:07:51 GMT
We never seem to get the demographics of the suspects for gang related violent crime in London.
Has anybody got this information for 2018? I cant find it.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Feb 11, 2019 17:37:02 GMT
Actually, yes. There is a lot of evidence to support lack of wealth, health, education and family support to crime, or more specifically certain types of crimes and gang culture. "Certain types of crime", I accept.
Premeditated attempted murder by stabbing, I don`t. Only extreme lack of mental stability, leads people to do such a thing.
Actually there are strong links between social deprivation and gang culture and gang culture and violent crime (or there were at least back in the days I studied sociology). So you may have to go from point a to point c through point b but they are intrinsically linked. |
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Post by baggins on Feb 13, 2019 12:56:52 GMT
London cares about no one but London. Not sure why I should care about anything that happens there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:32:42 GMT
"Certain types of crime", I accept.
Premeditated attempted murder by stabbing, I don`t. Only extreme lack of mental stability, leads people to do such a thing.
Actually there are strong links between social deprivation and gang culture and gang culture and violent crime (or there were at least back in the days I studied sociology). So you may have to go from point a to point c through point b but they are intrinsically linked. Not much social depravation in the latest murder in Cheshire. Both the victim and alleged perpetrators from millionaire families in one of the countries poshest areas. Is it more a case that youngsters today are finding gang culture and violence more acceptable and part of normal life? |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2019 13:48:45 GMT
Actually there are strong links between social deprivation and gang culture and gang culture and violent crime (or there were at least back in the days I studied sociology). So you may have to go from point a to point c through point b but they are intrinsically linked. Not much social depravation in the latest murder in Cheshire. Both the victim and alleged perpetrators from millionaire families in one of the countries poshest areas. Is it more a case that youngsters today are finding gang culture and violence more acceptable and part of normal life? Gang life has been around for hundreds of years. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 5, 2019 14:05:05 GMT
Actually there are strong links between social deprivation and gang culture and gang culture and violent crime (or there were at least back in the days I studied sociology). So you may have to go from point a to point c through point b but they are intrinsically linked. Not much social depravation in the latest murder in Cheshire. Both the victim and alleged perpetrators from millionaire families in one of the countries poshest areas. Is it more a case that youngsters today are finding gang culture and violence more acceptable and part of normal life? probably wouldn't base any assumptions on the one case to be honest but if it did become a trend then that would certainly point towards something more evolved wouldn't it |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 14:09:37 GMT
Not much social depravation in the latest murder in Cheshire. Both the victim and alleged perpetrators from millionaire families in one of the countries poshest areas. Is it more a case that youngsters today are finding gang culture and violence more acceptable and part of normal life? probably wouldn't base any assumptions on the one case to be honest but if it did become a trend then that would certainly point towards something more evolved wouldn't it I agree and it will likely continue to predominantly be a London, and specifically a London gang, thing. Just wondered if it's now being seen as a more accepted culture among youngsters around the country and will gradually spread since little seems to be done to address it. |
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