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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 7:32:53 GMT
On the contrary, I listened to a professional who is active in the Health Service I believe who stated that what you claimed was untrue. And I stand by it. The only cases I can think of where they would be treated straight away are as follows: - There was no wait - They were sicker than anyone else waiting - a post apocalyptic Brexit world where my house is full of twigs Also note what I said about moving them to another place. That is not treatment. Even arriving by ambulance does not get you seen quicker if you arent sick enough. There you go. I hope my agreeing with you or referring to you does not tar you with the same brush of Eric's definition of me of being a "vile, nasty piece of work" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 7, 2019 11:43:55 GMT
And I stand by it. The only cases I can think of where they would be treated straight away are as follows: - There was no wait - They were sicker than anyone else waiting - a post apocalyptic Brexit world where my house is full of twigs Also note what I said about moving them to another place. That is not treatment. Even arriving by ambulance does not get you seen quicker if you arent sick enough. There you go. I hope my agreeing with you or referring to you does not tar you with the same brush of Eric's definition of me of being a "vile, nasty piece of work" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You shouldn`t have called him that, Eric. That is way over the top. |
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Post by jaggas on Mar 7, 2019 19:43:05 GMT
Elephant in the room no one memtions is that in the black communities the father is more likely to be absent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:51:17 GMT
Elephant in the room no one memtions is that in the black communities the father is more likely to be absent. What's your excuse? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 20:05:55 GMT
Elephant in the room no one memtions is that in the black communities the father is more likely to be absent. What's your excuse? Has jaggas stabbed someone? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:02:53 GMT
Has jaggas stabbed someone? For his spoken behaviour |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:44:46 GMT
I don't know what the answer is to the seemingly growing crime epidemic (involving knives). The politicians all seem to be clammering for more money to be spent, and using Police numbers as a sort of 'answer'. It's worth noting that there are vast swathes of rural Britain that hasn't seen a copper for years, yet as far as I am aware, there isn't a crime epidemic in the rural areas, so is the correlation between Police numbers and crime wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:48:57 GMT
I don't know what the answer is to the seemingly growing crime epidemic (involving knives). The politicians all seem to be clammering for more money to be spent, and using Police numbers as a sort of 'answer'. It's worth noting that there are vast swathes of rural Britain that hasn't seen a copper for years, yet as far as I am aware, there isn't a crime epidemic in the rural areas, so is the correlation between Police numbers and crime wrong? These poor kids have nothing to do. If we had youth clubs they would instantly give up the gang lifestyles and drug dealing and instead focus their energies on playing table tennis. Easy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 22:10:25 GMT
I don't know what the answer is to the seemingly growing crime epidemic (involving knives). The politicians all seem to be clammering for more money to be spent, and using Police numbers as a sort of 'answer'. It's worth noting that there are vast swathes of rural Britain that hasn't seen a copper for years, yet as far as I am aware, there isn't a crime epidemic in the rural areas, so is the correlation between Police numbers and crime wrong? These poor kids have nothing to do. If we had youth clubs they would instantly give up the gang lifestyles and drug dealing and instead focus their energies on playing table tennis. Easy. Don't. I feel like crying every time I hear a politician going on about having more Youth Clubs to solve the problem. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 8, 2019 6:55:20 GMT
These poor kids have nothing to do. If we had youth clubs they would instantly give up the gang lifestyles and drug dealing and instead focus their energies on playing table tennis. Easy. Don't. I feel like crying every time I hear a politician going on about having more Youth Clubs to solve the problem. But.... It would definitely help wouldn't it? The devil makes work for idle thumbs. Kids having positive role models and something to do can have a big impact on them growing up. Jaggas actually had a good point about the absence of father figures and positive role models and I believe the evidence does suggest that there is some correlation where gang culture is seen as a substitute for a family unit. Youth clubs and youth groups can provide that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 7:00:55 GMT
Don't. I feel like crying every time I hear a politician going on about having more Youth Clubs to solve the problem. But.... It would definitely help wouldn't it? The devil makes work for idle thumbs. Kids having positive role models and something to do can have a big impact on them growing up. Jaggas actually had a good point about the absence of father figures and positive role models and I believe the evidence does suggest that there is some correlation where gang culture is seen as a substitute for a family unit. Youth clubs and youth groups can provide that. Wishful thinking. I'm sure with this being such a political hot potato at the moment there will inevitably be money thrown at the situation - I'd be happy for that to be on a million youth clubs but what you'd find is all the decent kids will be in there and the usual thugs preferring life on the street fighting, mugging and dealing drugs. The only way to put this youth club nonsense to bed is try it. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 8, 2019 7:11:58 GMT
But.... It would definitely help wouldn't it? The devil makes work for idle thumbs. Kids having positive role models and something to do can have a big impact on them growing up. Jaggas actually had a good point about the absence of father figures and positive role models and I believe the evidence does suggest that there is some correlation where gang culture is seen as a substitute for a family unit. Youth clubs and youth groups can provide that. Wishful thinking. I'm sure with this being such a political hot potato at the moment there will inevitably be money thrown at the situation - I'd be happy for that to be on a million youth clubs but what you'd find is all the decent kids will be in there and the usual thugs preferring life on the street fighting, mugging and dealing drugs. The only way to put this youth club nonsense to bed is try it. Yeah, I accept that. So is it down to parenting or cost? My lad does scouts, football twice a week, choir and band and it costs a small fortune every year and a lot of coordination to get him to all these clubs. I do see the same kids at a lot of these clubs so you may be right, they may well be the ones using youth clubs too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 9:34:44 GMT
Wishful thinking. I'm sure with this being such a political hot potato at the moment there will inevitably be money thrown at the situation - I'd be happy for that to be on a million youth clubs but what you'd find is all the decent kids will be in there and the usual thugs preferring life on the street fighting, mugging and dealing drugs. The only way to put this youth club nonsense to bed is try it. Yeah, I accept that. So is it down to parenting or cost? My lad does scouts, football twice a week, choir and band and it costs a small fortune every year and a lot of coordination to get him to all these clubs. I do see the same kids at a lot of these clubs so you may be right, they may well be the ones using youth clubs too. I think the factors creating this crisis are multidimensional. Certainly the absence of a consistent parental influence is one. To that pressure add families having to struggle with real incomes still below that of 2009, the slashing of public services (7000 heads of schools writing to Parliament showing that spend per student is 10% lower than 2010), school exclusions (without back up) where in the last year 7000 kids have been excluded in England and Wales compared with 1, that's one, in Scotland. The Tories have put a torch to social structures that have underpinned our society. That's the same Tories who brought us Brexit. |
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Post by jaggas on Mar 8, 2019 12:07:07 GMT
Has jaggas stabbed someone? For his spoken behaviour Spoken behaviour?? Just pointing out a fact people like you ignore..What are the odds your hero David Lammys father was an absent one? |
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Post by William Wilson on Mar 8, 2019 12:08:51 GMT
Yeah, I accept that. So is it down to parenting or cost? My lad does scouts, football twice a week, choir and band and it costs a small fortune every year and a lot of coordination to get him to all these clubs. I do see the same kids at a lot of these clubs so you may be right, they may well be the ones using youth clubs too. I think the factors creating this crisis are multidimensional. They may well be. But, ( in my opinion ) the main factor that induces so many young men to stick a knife in another, is the fact that they`re psychotically unstable. And that`s not so easy to put right.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 8, 2019 12:11:45 GMT
Spoken behaviour?? Just pointing out a fact people like you ignore..What are the odds your hero David Lammys father was an absent one? Wikipedia will tell you that he did indeed have an absent father. Happens to the best of us. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 8, 2019 12:21:43 GMT
Doesn't help that the Tories have cut the Police Force by thousands of Officers.
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Post by jaggas on Mar 8, 2019 13:21:13 GMT
Doesn't help that the Tories have cut the Police Force by thousands of Officers. Or maybe the police would rather use their resources on monitoring the internet for offensive words.... |
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Post by baggins on Mar 8, 2019 13:24:23 GMT
Doesn't help that the Tories have cut the Police Force by thousands of Officers. Or maybe the police would rather use their resources on monitoring the internet for offensive words.... They've got resources? |
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Post by jaggas on Mar 8, 2019 14:09:46 GMT
Of course they have just political correctness dictates how they use them..The fact the chief of the met is only in her position because of her sexuality says it all.
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